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#161 Post by str4y »

nooby wrote:Net anonymity has to stop FaceBook says.
Great point nooby-- I've been continually aghast at the attitude towards the 4th Amendment of my Bill of Rights for some time. And these vile Dems who purport to represent the left are, amazingly, worse than Bush. Whistleblowers are an absolutely crucial function, and the corruptoids at the top are busy criminalizing real journalism, basically.

I used to hang out some on http://talk.hope.net, but then the Stalinist-type host of that radio show apparently deleted some months' worth of posts because he didn't like some opinions. And, the guy who was posting massive amounts of intense links almost daily, vanished.

Wikileaks is an example of an anonymity function, but Assange is creepy-- check out the site of this 1 guy who was a co-founder, but left WL in disgust:
http://cryptome.org

More good journalism on http://whowhatwhy.com .. and so many more...

definitely check these podcasts:

http://peterbcollins.com/feed/
(regularly featuring co-host Sibel Edmonds of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition)

and
http://expertwitnessradio.org/site/?feed=podcast
(ex-DEA whistleblower and bestselling author Mike Levine's show)

in addition to the bunch I just posted to the now-contentious Now Playing thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 988#549988

before the far-Right U.S. throws the internet kill switch! :shock:

And spread the word on boycotting Facebook. Pure power-trippers-- the guy wants to control the "internet I.D. card", i.e. make Facebook login mandatory to use the web. Come to think of it, I just heard a backgrounder on Fbook:
http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ ... anoptican/
which just added to my disgust which I felt when first disovering
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Stay strong! Stand tall! Never surrender! Keep hope. Alive! (to quote Jesse Jackson..)

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#162 Post by cat_n_mouse »

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#163 Post by Lobster »

Thanks guys, thanks cat n' mouse
Maybe you would be interested in
remote-access tool, or rat
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/featu ... rat-201109 :roll:
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#164 Post by nooby »

I am not logical enough to figure it all out but tell me where I go wrong :)

1. My ISP is bound by European Union Law to keep record of everything I do for some months or years. Phone calls from which number to which number. SMS and MMS from which to which. Email from which email address to which email address.

What MAC address my computers have and what IP them gave each computer at which time and what I looked at what url I loaded and so on.

2. So anything I do to hide any of my activity would look suspicious in the eyes of the authorities. If I use another proxy or anonymity service or if I moved my computer and logged into the Library open Wifi hotspot them would get alerted that my MAC address has suddenly appeard outside their domain.

3. I would need to buy a computer that I never make use of at home and only used at open wifi spots and nothing on that computer should be related to me and my email addresses or the forums I usually attend.

Was that logical or confused thinking?

My conclusion is that only criminals have any kind of freedom them abusing law abiding citizens computers through bot nets that are too complicated to sort out due to them controlling some 10 000 to 100 000 computers at same time and having their own servers and that makes them almost beyond control? Some kind of Borg thing.

So as I get it we have no freedom at all. We are trapped in a 1984 kind of total control society .
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#165 Post by cat_n_mouse »

Hi nooby,

Your anonymity on the internet is the least of your worries.
How about things like your phone calls, credit card purchases,
the books you lend from the library, the medicines you buy,
your credit record, where you eat with your family and friends?

Personally I don't give a monkey's #$% that they know that I
post on this and other forums and I may look at nude photos of women.
I'm a man so it's probably expected anyway :-)

I can't see the authorities spending time and money looking
thru logs of my internet "habits" unless of course I have something to hide in which case
I will go out and buy a laptop using cash and like you say use it only on public wifi hotspots.

Laws are made to keep the general population under control, but if you
have nefarious intentions, there are always ways round them.

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#166 Post by cat_n_mouse »

I'm also willing to bet that a lot of the technology the authorities use to
spy on us is Linux/open source based.

Talk about making a rod for your own back.

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#167 Post by Lobster »

8)
Most Supercomputers run Linux
A group that keeps track of the top 500 supercomputers in the world estimates that Linux powers 60% of those machines
http://www.forbes.com/2005/03/15/cz_dl_0315linux.html

However spying is no longer required.
Some of the recent 'recreational looters' that terrorised
everyone in London (so I am told) posted pics of themselves
and their looting skills on Twitter and Facebook.

Android, which I have been using has apps that require
access to all data that I have ever used on the Internet
(maybe it just seems that way) . . .

Spying is now just data sorting . . . :wink:
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#168 Post by nooby »

I wonder if the authorities will allow this latest "remedy" from the world or work of University researchers?
I read about late last night but forgot to make a bookmark.

The bad thing was that one needed their software for to be able to get it to work.

I would not trust them will be allowed to make it available or that the ISP would be allowed to have users using it. Them would make laws that require ISP to shut it down.
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#169 Post by Lobster »

Nooby even if you use quantum encryption, you will not be 'safe'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14505750

'Safe' is a state of mind not a state of technology.

During the recent London riots, the security services swamped the social networks with spurious messages about the latest looting locations. (day 2 and 3)

Anyway, for those of you needing a quick dose of paranoia . . . who invented the Internet? See next post for answer . . . :roll:
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#170 Post by 8-bit »

For your question as to who invented the internet, you have to go back to 1950!
You can find more information here.

BTW, the first crash of the internet also happened during testing.

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#171 Post by nooby »

DARPA something? out of my poor memory.

Cool thing here
Greg Martin – whom had worked for Nasa, FBI och CIA had installed software on his computer that allowed him to follow everything that the looter did on his stolen computer and when the looter logged into his own FaceBook account he could document every friend and a lot of info about the looter and tell the police. He got his computer back.

Not a quote just a rough summary of the swedish text about it.

Easy to install too Greg told the reporter.
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#172 Post by Lobster »

This will check your URL's and files for malware or bad sites
http://www.virustotal.com/
They give themselves a safety score of 99.4%

Is it safe to go there? :oops:

Stay safe guys. :wink:
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#173 Post by Aitch »

Is it safe to go there? :oops:
They have a good WOT rating/reviews



This'll scramble a few brains.... :lol:

http://www.broadband-providers-uk.co.uk ... /47876.php

Where there's money and military minds, there's always something you never thought possible....

I don't know if this may have been a Premier April post :wink:

Aitch :)

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#174 Post by Lobster »

make sure your email address is safe
. . . or just adding it to commerce database of those interested in buying security software?
https://shouldichangemypassword.com/
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#175 Post by Lobster »

Have you been compromised lately . . . 8)

My Android smartphone has the security potential
of a swiss cheese with added holes.

You can plug the Huawei Android into a USB port to charge . . .
So now Puppy is secure but a wifi and 3G enabled
dongle (aka smartphone) is connected to my system . . .

A system simple enough for a News of the World (now defunct)
reporter to hack . . .

The other day, whilst charging, a program
I had not loaded appeared on the phone
AND (I think it was some sort of clock) a program I had not loaded
appeared in Puppy. :shock:

[Break out the bacofoil . . . feverishly make tin foil hat]

Concerted and deliberate intrusion from Google, Virgin (Branson run ISP), glitch, test run from MSS (Chinese Secuity) or other state intelligence, automated malbot or something else?

I am beginning to think that transparency may have to be the new security . . . :roll:
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#176 Post by nooby »

The other day, whilst charging a program
I had not loaded appeared on the phone
AND (I think it was some sort of clock) a program I had not loaded
appeared in Puppy.
Man you scare me. :)
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#177 Post by madchad »

Based on the original post of this thread, THAT'S ME! Oh how I have a hyperparanoid mind. So paranoid in fact that I don't bother with firewalls. I just trust my router and never ever EVER EVER EVER type in anything to do with bank accounts or personal info like birth dates or physical address and whatnot. I will only buy online stuff if there's a customer service phone number I can call to give my info to a live human with no personal info crossing my keyboard. Knowing that my name is Chad is the closest anybody online will ever come to hacking me. Let them hack my pc. They won't get anything worth having. I'm so paranoid that sometimes I drag out guns, swords, and various power tools just because I get that feeling. My home is a fortress and I'm fully prepared and literally waiting for zombie attack or SHTF scenarios. People around me say they're gonna come find me if civilization ever collapses. They know they'll be safe and eat well.

They say that perfect paranoia is perfect awareness. They're right.

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#178 Post by Lobster »

They know they'll be safe and eat well.
If they are zombies - you might well be on the menu :lol:
I should think most people will be unable to find you
. . . and I wonder if the hyper paranoid and their weapons
make safe dinner company?

My approach is very different.
If my government or any government is taking an interest . . .
it show they care . . . what they care about is their interests . . .

I am far more concerned about compulsory advertising
(available from G-ogle who do no evil - unless there is a profit in it)

I don't buy into paranoia or compulsory glutton level consumerism

If I had a mind I would sell it
- perhaps online to the highest bidder . . . :wink:

I sometimes wonder if paranoia is a form of fear
I am not really frightened by fear
though I am a little scared for those scarred by it . . .

Maybe there is a middle way? :)
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#179 Post by Lobster »

They have your phone.
They have your computer.
Get in your car and drive for the hills . . .

Wait . . .
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-mca ... autos.html
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#180 Post by Stripe »

hi lob

another good reason to keep using my 1968 diesel land rover, as well as it being able to run on used cooking oil. (because its cheap)

cheers
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