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#21 Post by aarf »

playdayz wrote:
tell us exactly what you want that someone to do with the bug reports and someone might step-up. (not me)
Make and coordinate the necessary fixes and send them to me.
takes a very good skill set to know what needs to be done. perhaps you could delegate them to people who have the require skill after discerning the problem?

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#22 Post by Béèm »

aarf wrote:
playdayz wrote:
tell us exactly what you want that someone to do with the bug reports and someone might step-up. (not me)
Make and coordinate the necessary fixes and send them to me.
takes a very good skill set to know what needs to be done. perhaps you could delegate them to people who have the require skill after discerning the problem?
For me the most efficient way is still a bug reporting/follow-up system like bugzilla.

If a project leader/main developer could work with the people in his team willing to use that system the status of a reported issue can be seen in a wink. Users will not be frustrated anymore to have to say they reported such and such issue already before.

Also for the project leader/main developer work will be easier.
I still don't understand how a person can cope with those long forum threads.

And I know this has been raised before and the general reaction was that anarchy is a better way.

Just my 2 ¢
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#23 Post by nooby »

Yes I know I should just shut up :)
I know this has been raised before and the general reaction was that anarchy is a better way.
My experience is that as long as something feels good and is fun to do then almost any organization or structure does work but the problem starts when it starts to feel tedious and not fun.

Then anarchy maybe works better but the best structure still would be inner motivation based on the whole thing feeling good and fun to do.

Both too much structure and too much anarchy maybe can be too much of a good thing. To each his own.
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#24 Post by davids45 »

G'day,

Frugal then Full installs of the three headed dog directly from .iso (no CD used - thanks rjbrewer for the how-to-do).

My desktop system has a new ATI radeon HD5450 card which has problems with many Pups' default radeon driver when shutting down (not just this Pup). And that's when the radeon driver would actually run - my monitor is 1600x900 which the default-to-radeon vesa did not offer.

01micko's ATI pet mentioned earlier in this thread fixed the problem plus allowed the ATI Catalyst Control Centre to also run. Other different kernel ATI pets have fixed the shut-down problem in many Pups but not always to also allow the ATI Control Centre to function which now looks to depend on the kernel being right. Pity about the ATI's size.

Everything else in luci-529 has worked well and quickly on my computer.

Thanks to playdayz for the succession of excellent Pups, regardless of their number of heads.

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#25 Post by 01micko »

davids45 wrote: 01micko's ATI pet mentioned earlier in this thread fixed the problem plus allowed the ATI Catalyst Control Centre to also run. Other different kernel ATI pets have fixed the shut-down problem in many Pups but not always to also allow the ATI Control Centre to function which now looks to depend on the kernel being right. Pity about the ATI's size.
Hi David,

Can you describe in detail your procedure for installing the ati_fglrx pet? It is so I can get a handle on it and improve the pinstall.sh script to make it easy for all. Lobster is having issues in Slacko.

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#26 Post by Lobster »

Fluffy anyone?
:lol: we are making the same jokes (I am on the Slacko head)

I am so pleased that everyone is supportive
Maybe Pemasu, BarryK with Upup + Quickpet (hopefully) or our growing kennel of developers will find some fun emergence.

Even though Lucid is the more complete and polished product
woof does move things on . . . (Barry has just released a 13 Aug Woof)

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#27 Post by aarf »

aarf wrote:wifi disconnecting need to then manually reconnect.
edit: possibly in association with low battery because i flat battery crashed it straight after posting this.
have installed frisbee and it too is going down. difference is it tells you it is down and then auto reconnects when it can.

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#28 Post by tasmod »

I don't think we are on general bugs now, but on specific bugs.

Let me explain.

It seems now that most software works OTB. (General app bugs)

The issues now are:-
specific hardware,
software interaction
erroneous bugs

Specific hardware: Is say, when video card A works for everyone but video card B does not.
Video card B has issues with the hardware or kernel version.
(Only another person with same card can help really)

Software interaction: When an app works fine but install another app afterwards or before, it then spoils the original app operation.
(Sometimes hard to replicate)

Erroneous bug: Quick bug report, generally withdrawn quickly when a mistake is found by user.

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I spent many an hour trying to chase bugs of the above kinds, only to find when I had an answer, that when I checked forum it was solved.
I now stick to my own apps or those I had a hand in.

It would be impossible for playdayz to be able to handle the bugs himself and he has to wait for an appropriate user to solve it and get back to him. All kudos to him for handling it so well.
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#29 Post by aarf »

was thinking that Béèm would be a good bug co-ordinator. even before he posted about bugzilla. has he necessary methodical approach. maybe playdayz likes the idea of a bugzilla for his project where other devs dont for theirs?.

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#30 Post by playdayz »

I will need help with the pinstall script, so Lobster, mikesLr, davids45, Billtoo, playdayz.. anyone else with a late model Radeon video card please test and report your experience.
Unfortunately I don't really have a "late-model" radeon card anymore. I have a 3850 and a 4670. I think that it would be the 5000 series and especially the 6000 that might be the problem. If you could send me one, I could test it ;-)

I installed the new fglrx pet on the 3850 and everything went well. I installed, then exited to a prompt and ran aticonfig --initial, then xwin to restart X with the driver working.

The only anomaly is that when I exited back to X to check that I had a working console (which I did) there was a message I had never seen before. I seem to get that each time I use xwin now.

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# xwin
# dirname: extra operand '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers-backup/vesa_drv.so'
# Try 'dirname --help' for more info
Yes, I had Fluffy in mind, but I had forgotten his name.
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#31 Post by playdayz »

The issues now are:-
specific hardware,
software interaction
erroneous bugs

Specific hardware: Is say, when video card A works for everyone but video card B does not.
Video card B has issues with the hardware or kernel version.
(Only another person with same card can help really)

Software interaction: When an app works fine but install another app afterwards or before, it then spoils the original app operation.
(Sometimes hard to replicate)

Erroneous bug: Quick bug report, generally withdrawn quickly when a mistake is found by user.
Yes. Very well said tasmod. During the last week or two of the process, the "erroneous" bugs might constitute 50% of the total reported. Everyone is a bit on edge then I think and any anomaly is automatically assumed to be a bug. The anarchy of the thread worked OK for me--we did 6 good releases after all--I have just hit a point where I am as Lobbie said "burned out." I can play ;-) but the task of trying to fix bugs and then rebuilding only to face more bugs had to end. Of course, if people see a bug they have to report it.

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#32 Post by bigpup »

Béèm wrote:For me the most efficient way is still a bug reporting/follow-up system like bugzilla.

And I know this has been raised before and the general reaction was that anarchy is a better way.

Just my 2 ¢
There is already a Bugzilla type reporting/follow-up sytem in place for Puppy.
Just seems no developer wants to use it.
Here it is:
http://code.google.com/p/puppy-development/issues/list
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#33 Post by aarf »

bigpup wrote:
Béèm wrote:For me the most efficient way is still a bug reporting/follow-up system like bugzilla.

And I know this has been raised before and the general reaction was that anarchy is a better way.

Just my 2 ¢
There is already a Bugzilla type reporting/follow-up sytem in place for Puppy.
Just seems no developer wants to use it.
Here it is:
http://code.google.com/p/puppy-development/issues/list
the objection was more to google and third party, than to the bugtracker

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#34 Post by gortonc »

Would love to try this puppy out but am hesitant to start a download without an MD5 given my lousy connection. Any chance of posting one with the download link on the front page? (Or any where else for that matter ;-)

Thanks!

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#35 Post by James C »

gortonc wrote:Would love to try this puppy out but am hesitant to start a download without an MD5 given my lousy connection. Any chance of posting one with the download link on the front page? (Or any where else for that matter ;-)

Thanks!
Right there in the first post.

357db4be5fbb14fc8d3b4b55a20c5fc6 luci-529.iso

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#36 Post by Lobster »

I can play
8)

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away . . .
[oops - no that is the intro to star wars . . .] :wink:

Not so long ago . . . when I first started to seriously try and use Linux I was running Knoppix and Windows XP (most people were not yet trusting XP) and I was on the Knoppix Linux forum (feeling stupid and computer illiterate) I also used to lurk on the Puppy 'Simpleforum' and listen to Barry and the early Puppy users sorting out the early adopter problems. Puppy was my Linux education. :)
Most of the Linux distros I tried . . . and I tried probably 50-100, all seemed only superficially different. A different arrangement of kernel and software. Anyway before I ramble on into some ewok forest party, suffice to say Puppy is more fun and that is only one of the differences . . . 8)

Barry is still doing fun woof stuff, developers, testers, program writers, users and advisers to our youngest Pups, the whole kennel is a lot of fun.

Some of us are living amongst all kinds of personal and global events.
Puppy runs our computers. Good dog. :)

In some sort of play daze a Lucid to release will arrive over the next week or two - or we will move straight to Slacko or . . . [who knows]
Too anarchic?
Too much fun?

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#37 Post by nooby »

playdayz a big warm friendly hug from me. I am no Dev but I almost know how it feels. I try to make a "mobility aid bike" kind of vehicle and have struggled with it for at least three years and "bugs" hit me every time I fix one of them and my slogan is that developing should be fun.

So nobody should blame you for having to recharge the batteries so do what feels best. Great thanks for all the exciting things that already have been accomplished.
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#38 Post by Béèm »

Thanks Lobster for reminding those links.
BTW 2HD being Finlandia, how is 3HD called then? :roll:
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#39 Post by playdayz »

Does anyone know? Is there a module or sensor or something missing in Lucid? I have never been able to get temp readings with my Phenoms either. Hardinfo -> Sensors gives me nothing at all.
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#40 Post by Béèm »

I saw the same in Exprimo and raised the issue.
Pemasu replied that libsensors4 is needed.
He will include it in a next release.
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