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Are you able to boot Puppy from USB in a PC without HDD
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raffy

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Aug 2011, 10:27    Post subject:  Are you able to boot Puppy from USB in a PC without HDD
Subject description: using Lucid 5.2.5 or Wary 5.1.2?
 

If you are able to boot Lucid Puppy 5.2.5 or Wary 5.1.2 via USB port/USB flash drive (and no hard drive)*, please share your success story, such as how you configured the booting device and what board you are using.

My own experience is with the Atom Pine Trail board (all-SATA), and it is a no go with the usual USB installers that come with Puppy. Booting stalls at "Can't find [the Puppy sfs] file."

The advantage of the inexpensive Atom boards is their lightweight design, and booting them via USB port/USB flash drive further enhances that lightness.

Thanks in advance for your help.

* EDIT: I just found out that this has been discussed in Barry's blog. My post above has been edited to emphasize that there is NO HARD DRIVE when the USB boot fails.
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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Aug 2011, 13:25    Post subject: Boot a board, any board without drives (USB/HDD/DVD/etc)  

It appears you want to be able to boot your board, simply, using "some" (USB) minimalist approach.
  • How about a solution for your board which doesn't even use a USB for boot?
  • Would that help if I showed you how to do that? (requires that your board has LAN buit-in)
PM me if you would like to do something like this. It will take you all of, maybe, 7 minutes to setup. 10 if you're really slow.

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Aug 2011, 17:31    Post subject:  

Nothing wrong with PM but maybe many others would love to know how does one do such.

I know that Flash our beloved moderating Admin use his computer without a HDD but him boot using DVD so is that much different from booting from USB? Would it be possible to fool the software to think of the USB as a DVD and boot it nevertheless?

I would love to know because a HDD get broken sooner or later and I have many external such that I can use USB on but not attach to the mother board easily without special adapter cables.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Aug 2011, 17:51    Post subject:  

raffy,

I got an ASUS EB1007-B0410 EeeBox Mini Desktop PC that has an Intel Atom D410 processor that uses the low-power NM10 chipset.

I played around with Wary512 and Pup525 for about a week booting from a usb thumbdrive and had no problems booting from either one (although I couldn't get the wireless going in Pup525, while Wary512 was fine).

Suddenly, I started getting "could not find pup" messages and a failed boot. Sometimes moving it to another usb port works and sometimes not.

While this unit has a hard drive, it seems like this is the same behavior you mentioned. Right now it's hit or miss as to whether it'll boot from a usb port.

I also tested a Ubuntu 11.04 live w/persistence thumbdrive boot and had no problem and still don't.

gcmartin : Would you be kind enough to post or pm me those instructions.

There is another discussion on erratic usb booting here -
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=550568#550568

Cheers,
s
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Aug 2011, 20:47    Post subject:  

Be aware that I am NOT attempting to change anyone's preference for what they want to use to boot. But for the past 6 months we have a "FLAWLESS" technology in Puppy to boot ANY motherboard (MB) ONLY system as long as it has the built-in LAN NIC on the MB.

This is a PUPPY ONLY technology. And it works to allow any PC to boot without using ANY of its local peripheral. In fact all PC since 2006 should have NO problems booting.

@Seaside and @Nooby, Expect a PM to the Puppy Forum Thread.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Aug 2011, 21:11    Post subject:  

There has been much discussion in the Lupu development threads about the no-hard-drive-USB-boot bug. It is now fixed in the most recent Luci.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2011, 00:58    Post subject:  

See also the fix described in the Lupu 525 bug thread.

Standard 525 does not work w/o a hard drive, but if you happen to have a 525 CD in the CDROM (assuming there is one), it will boot, even if you are booting from USB. But the easiest thing I think is to just run 526.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2011, 01:59    Post subject:  

So to make an USB with Lupu 526 on it would be a cheap way to be able to boot my Acer D250 when it lose the HDD which it statistically has to lose within one to two years. Them last no longer of daily 24/7 usage?

Thanks for the PM but I am too noob to follow such totally new instructions unless I have lost ability to boot already and are very motivated.

Most likely I just buy another Netbook or go over to using "pads" with usb capability that way I would get totally silent computing.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Aug 2011, 10:00    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:



Nooby from Sweden,

Thanks for the "Links" URL. Smile

Very interesting to browse around. Razz

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raffy

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Aug 2011, 15:39    Post subject: Resolved  

This issue appears resolved after Barry's post, to quote:
Quote:
I found the reason, I had upgraded Busybox in the initrd, from 1.4.2 to 1.18.5:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02341

I tried to move over to using more Busybox applets, but ended up going back to the full versions -- except for 'grep', I kept the Busybox 'grep' applet [that turned out] not ok..

I am going to roll Busybox back and put in the full 'grep', will upload Woof soon.


The fix was confirmed working in Slacko Beta 1.

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