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darkcity
 Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 2436 Location: near here |
What do people think to the front page of the Wiki? Any ideas for improvements? |
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noryb009
Joined: 20 Mar 2010 Posts: 538 |
It looks pretty good! |
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bugman
 Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2131 Location: buffalo commons |
which one? http://linux.wikia.com/wiki/Puppy_Linux or http://puppylinux.org/wikka/HomePage very different kettles of fish . . . _________________ . . . the machines are clean and the machines are not corrupted - lee "scratch" perry |
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darkcity
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 2436 Location: near here |
Nice one, wikia help me get some dates for- http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyTimeLine _________________ helping Wiki for help | IF SendSpace link = "dead" THEN PM me ("up file to http://meownplanet.net/") |
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Lobster
Official Crustacean  Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15117 Location: Paradox Realm |
Even though we can look like any of these sites 
http://wikkawiki.org/WikkaFeaturedSites No effort on styling has ever been done 
The only person having the power to modify the styling or upgrade to the latest wikka wiki software is raffy You should contact him once you have decided which improvement you wish to implement. Good luck. 
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raffy
Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4759 Location: Manila |
Well, I guess the question is only about the front page. (The styling that is controlled from the host admin is for the whole wikka structure.) The front page can be styled with HTML, as puppian has long ago showed (but this should be avoided in most pages to keep updating by multiple users easy).
Nice find, bugman! I can see that Darrelljon has worked really hard on it. Congratulations, Darrelljon !!! _________________ Puppy user since Oct 2004. Want FreeOffice? Get the sfs (English only). |
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Lobster
Official Crustacean Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15117 Location: Paradox Realm |
Absolutely.
HTML looks much better but if upgrading in a hurry or with limited time it is awkward. A simple way of creating interest is an animated image (you can see a walking man which I have just added as an example) http://puppylinux.org/wikka/HomePage Another way of creating something unique is by using a theme throughout the wiki http://docs.wikkawiki.org/WikkaThemes There are not multiple updaters of the front page It is mostly me, so it is what I find convenient. 
The Drupal site did have much more interaction with users I was in contact with Tom (the main developer) most days by phone The whole system was meant to call in the data from the wiki (so the wiki could still be worked on independently) Tom never did or could not implement it in this way - ah well . . . 
In fact it was implemented as a CMS only completely dependent on Toms PHP programming skills Toms exit strategy was very sudden He did not have the time for the support required.
For a while we had a great Drupal system
I stopped development of the old wiki for aprox 9 months to give the CMS a chance to grow. Which it did. I even contributed as did many others. Now I mention all this because working out how a front page should be styled to look wonderful is the easy part Installing Drupal or mediawiki or any software is easy. Maintenance is the hard part. Day to day work is the hard part. For example I implemented the wikka wiki system for my tmxxine site and even hosted many Puppy pages on it but when the hosting company (I still use them - 'servage') altered the SQL database to include spam mostly to p o r n sites I just abandoned most of it (managed to move the important stuff to the Puppy wiki)
So raffy may be reluctant to update themes or the current version of the wiki software because it is working and he does not have to remove spam bot comments etc. Perfectly understandable
Coolpup has been working on the old wiki (and the Drupal site) and the new wiki I am very much less active on the wiki. So I welcome darkcitys efforts and suggestions and in particular his efforts over the last couple of months Maybe we should develop a totally commercially hosted Puppy? http://www.qwiki.com/ No? 
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darkcity
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 2436 Location: near here |
thanks for the background info. the only CMS I've used is Wordpress. Though I'm going to be helping with a Joomla site soon. I like the philosophy of wiki - but a lot of the software engines are a bit dated. Regarding time spans, was the old wiki before the drupal. If so, would it be more useful shifting stuff from the drupal or the old wiki [to the new wiki]? _________________ helping Wiki for help | IF SendSpace link = "dead" THEN PM me ("up file to http://meownplanet.net/") |
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bugman
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2131 Location: buffalo commons |
good luck, i gave up with both and wound up writing my own html and css, flat files for speed, a little php for the backend, and tinymce for the client editor of course there are things that sql offer that you might need, but diy can use it too . . . _________________ . . . the machines are clean and the machines are not corrupted - lee "scratch" perry |
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Lobster
Official Crustacean Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15117 Location: Paradox Realm |
Thanks bugman, as official scapegoat (a hard job but someone has to do it) Bugman can be blamed for all difficulties . . . 
The advice about simplicity is sound and understandable . . .
My Wordpress blog got p o r n i f r i e d (in the comments section) at the moment I am occasionally using tumblr http://tmxxine.tumblr.com/ as it has tablet and smartphone support
The Drupal site came after the old wiki Warren kindly hosted and ran early tests etc, Prithish I seem to remember helped with some of the coding. From what I remember once files had been added to Drupal Coolpup did a lot of updating. I did some new content but not much. We had a lot more people contributing. It was great. It was popular. I did download and set up Drupal. Powerful but complex. Too much PHP coding and maintenance, adaption required for me . . . So for example I seem to remember we had some spam comments and Tom (it may have been with Prithish) had to immediately sort out intercepting code. Quite a commitment when you are also coding sites for a living . . . In ye olde days, before even the old wikki Barry hosted everything, forum, wiki, web pages, Puppy files etc. and when the wiki got attacked (again probably spambots from what I remember) Barry just looked for new software and we started again (not so many pages then but even so pages had to be added to the new software) Now we tend to have to restrict comments to registered users - before it was totally open . . . Hope that helps
Puppy Linux May contain code _________________ Puppy WIKI |
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Lobster
Official Crustacean Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15117 Location: Paradox Realm |
The biggest problem is the hosting 
At the moment I am getting this:
That happens about once a month So I can not make a simple edit (notifying that Puppy Lucid 256 is in Beta) It is not uncommon to visit the wiki and have to refresh the page (the first time it does not link) I always get the impression that the wiki is given second class hosting Is that the situation? How can wiki hosting be improved? _________________ Puppy WIKI Last edited by Lobster on Sat 30 Jul 2011, 00:36; edited 1 time in total |
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darkcity
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 2436 Location: near here |
I get this occasionally. It's a shame, coz if you want to point someone in the direction of help, the help needs to be available. Raffy is the guy who knows about hosting. 
_________________ helping Wiki for help | IF SendSpace link = "dead" THEN PM me ("up file to http://meownplanet.net/") |
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darkcity
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 2436 Location: near here |
How about indenting the Puppy release links to make them distinct from the general wiki index. Also links in caps like GRAPHICS could be confusing. _________________ helping Wiki for help | IF SendSpace link = "dead" THEN PM me ("up file to http://meownplanet.net/") |
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