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Q5sys


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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 20:11    Post subject:  Puppy Package Site - Planning Stages
Subject description: Any Web Developers want to help?
 

This is a post to see if there are any web devs out there who might want to help create a site specifically for hosting puppy packages.
Way back in the day I was a part of the BeOS crowd, and a site I checked all the time was http://www.bebits.com/ In a perfect world I'd have a site set up like that, but I dont have the expertise to do so.
Its not intended to replace forum announcements or discussion at all, but to help create more of a central repository of packages for Puppy. Since the .ca/asia sites are now down... its kindof a mess of where things are hosted. There are a few users and devs who are sharing space on their servers but its all a mish mash. It'd be nice if there was some central place everyone could go.

I've got a server being set up shortly which can be used, but Im going to need a web dev or two to help make it attractive an simple to navigate.

Anyone interested?

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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 23:07    Post subject:  

Have placed a link here
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/NoobHelp

It might be worth contacting Eric (caneri) and Prit (Prithish) who helped with coding, directly by PM (private message).
MU too, if having the time, might have code and advice.
Warren (whodo) hosted files.

Maybe someone else is able or thinking of mirroring such an endeavor? Cool

Some sort of click and drag files form
and a pull down menu for which Puppy or puplet it is for
would be a great incentive for uploaders Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 20:35    Post subject:  

I created a something somewhat like bebits (a lot worse looking, though), called PPMo. It never caught on, though, due to low user interest because of lack of pets, and low compiler interest because of lack of user interest.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 May 2011, 22:02    Post subject:  

noryb009 wrote:
I created a something somewhat like bebits (a lot worse looking, though), called PPMo. It never caught on, though, due to low user interest because of lack of pets, and low compiler interest because of lack of user interest.


I think the key in making something work is sucessful promotion of the idea to the forum. Thats the hard part. I'm not sure I know the best way to do that... but I can try something. I am thinking perhaps first we start doing it as a repo for the new slack based release that is forth coming, and then try to expand it out to all releases.

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 00:03    Post subject:  

Good plan Smile
As you are probably aware Mick is storing the spup (pre alpha Puppy 5.3 'Spot') here:
http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/spup/pet_packages-spup/

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 07:58    Post subject:  

Q5sys wrote:
noryb009 wrote:
I created a something somewhat like bebits (a lot worse looking, though), called PPMo. It never caught on, though, due to low user interest because of lack of pets, and low compiler interest because of lack of user interest.


I think the key in making something work is sucessful promotion of the idea to the forum. Thats the hard part. I'm not sure I know the best way to do that... but I can try something. I am thinking perhaps first we start doing it as a repo for the new slack based release that is forth coming, and then try to expand it out to all releases.


I agree. I have updated it to include Puppy 530. Hopefully the dev's put a link to it in the menu or somewhere.

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As you are probably aware Mick is storing the spup (pre alpha Puppy 5.3 'Spot') here:
http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/spup/pet_packages-spup/


I might add some of that into PPMo today, just to get a bit more content.
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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 12:05    Post subject:  

noryb009 wrote:
[I agree. I have updated it to include Puppy 530. Hopefully the dev's put a link to it in the menu or somewhere.

I might add some of that into PPMo today, just to get a bit more content.


When I checked your site... I kept selecting different options but always ended up with "Could not find any packages in this category!"
I tried like 10 different combinations and they all came up with the same thing. Also while the interface is simple enough... theres too many options that result in nothing useful.

Also the site is placed kinda hidden on another server.
I've bought the domain http://puppy-packages.org which should help it get a bit more visibility.
If you want... once I get the server set up... you can move your ppmo site over until we are able to get something better set up.
I can set you up with FTP access so you can just drop everything over and be good to go.

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 12:51    Post subject:  

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When I checked your site... I kept selecting different options but always ended up with "Could not find any packages in this category!"
I tried like 10 different combinations and they all came up with the same thing. Also while the interface is simple enough... theres too many options that result in nothing useful.


That is because there are about 5 packages in the system right now. Embarassed

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Also the site is placed kinda hidden on another server.
I've bought the domain http://puppy-packages.org which should help it get a bit more visibility.
If you want... once I get the server set up... you can move your ppmo site over until we are able to get something better set up.
I can set you up with FTP access so you can just drop everything over and be good to go.

Thank you for the offer! I just hope it will get more well known. PPMo uses a MySQL backend, It wouldn't take that much work to get it set up. PM me if you want.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 15:05    Post subject: Possible Package Storage Idea
Subject description: Questions
 

hello all puppy fans

i have been looking around on the forum for ways i might be able to help. ive found this package manager issue 1 i might be able to help in some way.

i have used a storage site for a few years & recently they have added a few tool i think may help with storing & allowing easier access to pet packages & puplets.

the site is called 4shared im sure some people have heard of it & used it.

4shared recently has packaged a downloader for linux. it is in .deb format. i personally have tried to install it after using the deb2pet package but it did not work. im not very used to compiling either but i attempted to do that to no avail.

i have the 4shared desktop .deb file (4shared upload/downloader). if anyone is interested in tryin to get it working on puppy that would be great.

4shared also recently added ftp access to stored files. im not sure when but they also added webdev (web folders) as a way to access files stored.

my idea was to use the webdev (webfolders) to mirror all the puppy packages & puplets.

i found a linux program for using webdev but i have no idea on how to compile it myself to see if it will work in puppy.

in my searches on 4shared i did find they have a google code development package im guessing for building software to work with uploading & downloading on 4shared but im no expert.

if anyone is interested in possibly helping me to build the webdev package to work in puppy i can give the links to the places i found it at.

i am willing to do all the gathering of the pets & puplets along with organizing them to the best of my ability for the puppy community.

hope to hear from some puppy gurus who might be willing to help with this mirroring project i have in mind.

p.s. sorry if i seem all over the place in my post im not sure where to start on this so getting my whole idea out so anyone can help me get the ball rolling on mirroring everything possible on 1 already established server.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 15:08    Post subject: Idea For Mirroring  

hello all puppy fans

i have been looking around on the forum for ways i might be able to help. ive found this package manager issue 1 i might be able to help in some way.

i have used a storage site for a few years & recently they have added a few tool i think may help with storing & allowing easier access to pet packages & puplets.

the site is called 4shared im sure some people have heard of it & used it.

4shared recently has packaged a downloader for linux. it is in .deb format. i personally have tried to install it after using the deb2pet package but it did not work. im not very used to compiling either but i attempted to do that to no avail.

i have the 4shared desktop .deb file (4shared upload/downloader). if anyone is interested in tryin to get it working on puppy that would be great.

4shared also recently added ftp access to stored files. im not sure when but they also added webdev (web folders) as a way to access files stored.

my idea was to use the webdev (webfolders) to mirror all the puppy packages & puplets.

i found a linux program for using webdev but i have no idea on how to compile it myself to see if it will work in puppy.

in my searches on 4shared i did find they have a google code development package im guessing for building software to work with uploading & downloading on 4shared but im no expert.

if anyone is interested in possibly helping me to build the webdev package to work in puppy i can give the links to the places i found it at.

i am willing to do all the gathering of the pets & puplets along with organizing them to the best of my ability for the puppy community.

hope to hear from some puppy gurus who might be willing to help with this mirroring project i have in mind.

p.s. sorry if i seem all over the place in my post im not sure where to start on this so getting my whole idea out so anyone can help me get the ball rolling on mirroring everything possible on 1 already established server.

Edit: sorry for the double post.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 15:33    Post subject:  

It looks like the file is just a desktop client for uploading programs, allowing you to pause and stuff.

Right now, puppy compilers usually use their own (shared) servers to host packages, or use an uploading site like 4shared. See this thread for more.

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i have been looking around on the forum for ways i might be able to help.


What can you do? Do you know how to program? Do you have a lot of time? Bandwidth? There's a lot to do, it just depends on what you can do.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 16:22    Post subject:  

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What can you do? Do you know how to program? Do you have a lot of time? Bandwidth? There's a lot to do, it just depends on what you can do.


No i can not program ive dreamed of being that good but the best i can do is hack someone elses code to what i like after some studying of what does what. i cant start somethin from nothing lol.

Yes i have lots of time on my hands.

I think i have unlimited bandwidth as im on broadband internet in my home. never had a problem downloading tons of stuff or uploading lots of things.

I can not do a lot but am willing to learn if anyone is willing to teach Smile

i know the 4shared desktop is just a download manager for 4shared i thought it would work well as a common pet that would allow anyone who has it installed access to an account setup for the community.

for example i could sign up with lets say google mail then activate a 4shared account with it giving everyone who has access to ths forum the sign in info for the 4shared account then allowing them to download whatever they want.

i was thinking depending on the amount of MB's for each pupet & its special packages could each have their own account.

4shared allows files up to 2 GB's in size & a total of 10 GB's of storage.
i believe there is no bandwidth limits on free accounts as well.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 16:45    Post subject:  

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...the best i can do is hack someone elses code to what i like after some studying of what does what.


There are a few projects that you could help on, if your interested and know the program, like GTK dialog. You can look for more in the Puppy Projects and Cutting Edge boards. This would also help you get better at programming.

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Yes i have lots of time on my hands.


You can help test betas.

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I think i have unlimited bandwidth as im on broadband internet in my home. never had a problem downloading tons of stuff or uploading lots of things.


To find out, you can phone your ISP, or if you recently switched plans/ISPs, you can look at your ISP's site (if you've had them for a while, the plans may have changed). If you have extra/unlimited bandwidth, and you have enough resources, you can set up a server. That's completely up to you, though.

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There are 2 main places you can teach, in the Beginners Help board and on the wikka.

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i know the 4shared desktop is just a download manager for 4shared i thought it would work well as a common pet that would allow anyone who has it installed access to an account setup for the community.


The problem would be the ad page 4shared makes you download from - some new members might get confused and think Puppy is a virus by sending them to spam sites.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jul 2011, 11:32    Post subject:  

If your going to host pets/iso's just remember that puppylinux.ca was getting I think it was around 3TB of downloads a month at the time and increasing as the months went on, it was extremely hard for Eric to foot the bill and also his server providers still had issues about the amount of downloads per month and sometimes they would block downloads after a certain target, some servers say they are unlimited but once they feel the puppy crunch they quickly turn face on you. Just something to keep in mind.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jul 2011, 19:40    Post subject:  

Hi Jeff,

Yes it takes lots of bandwidth, and a LOT of time spent to develop the server and domains.

It also takes a LONG time to develop a good Puppy site for download. That is very difficult to do IMO without a sponsor to help with costs.

Smokey and Suz are seeing this now...and all my best to them..E

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