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James C


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 03:04    Post subject:  

Just did a manual frugal install of Drake Pup 01 on my main Linux box.All the basics..... internet,sound and display working and correct out of the box.

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (124MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed 06 Jul 2011 02:15:43 AM UTC
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235


VIDEO REPORT: Drake Puppy, version 0.1

Chip description:
oem: NVidia
product: NV18 () Board Chip Rev A2

Driver used by Xorg:
vesa

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video


# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1034772 489672 545100 0 38772
Swap: 1228936 0 1228936
Total: 2263708 489672 1774036
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James C


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 03:24    Post subject:  

A gratuitous screenshot after a little tweaking......... Laughing
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 03:26    Post subject:  

The first Service Pack for Drake Puppy 0.1!

This has the aforementioned rpm install fix, plus more PPM fixes. See blog post:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02337

Bye the way, as James C reported, Iceape (SeaMonkey) 2.0.14 from Mageia core repo, works fine. Running it now.

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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 04:48    Post subject:  

My copy of Drake was unable to make a pupsave...
i.e. It failed to complete the process to make the pupsave [it didn't display the available storage media]....
Also failed to find and use the blank pupsave I made and placed beside the copy of the SFS file [in a folder in the root of the only partition on my 2nd internal HDD]->[all the other Puppy pupsaves are in suitably named folders in the same root folder, and they work just fine].
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 06:11    Post subject:  

forget my post
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sszindian


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 12:55    Post subject: Drake !!  

gjuhasz wrote:

7. Seamonkey 1.18 is obsolete both in its features and performance. I installed Chromium-14 from here (thanks playdayz for the sfs):
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69352&sid=c1b598bd86cdcc07fbf3f62ffb7e34c3
Its speed was the biggest surprise to me since I have played with puppy on my Tecra (I installed Drake in VirtualBox/wndwz environment, too). I think Chromium under root and links under spot/fido is the best combination.
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I downloaded Chromium 14 (.pet version) It installed fine, It made itself the default browser on the desktop icon fine, When I click on it (either desktop icon or from the menu entry in internet) It just does 'NOTHING!'
Is there some secret package that needs installing or something else I need to install? I tried other versions of Chromium and Iron with the same results... 'NOTHING !'
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After first run of Drake, upon shutdown I figured I'd try the fido thingy... On reboot, it just doesn't let me back in, it claims an automatic boot in either root or fido but a '#' appears on the load up screen and it stops there. I tried entering fido, root, even the password I created on first shutdown... no go... anyone else have this happen ???
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tronkel


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 13:22    Post subject:  

Well done Tronkel - you've just borked your system big time.

I installed Mozilla Thunderbird from the PPM after having just resized the pupsave. Then installed the Enigmail extension also from the Mageia repo.

The next time I restarted the system I got a "failed to make file system usable" - just before the switch root - so seems that the pupsave has got corrupted somehow.

There are now no desktop icons and also no wallpaper background - just black. Cannot start Rox Filer and also no terminal available. Tried a pfix= fsck which seemed to do nothing.

The pupsave is ext2 sitting on a ReiserFS home partition.

Video performance has gone back to slow scrolling as it did on the initial install. This problem seemed to have righted itself early-on, but has now regressed to its old state.

Time to switch to thinking/problem solving mode for me.
Interesting.

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tronkel


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 13:43    Post subject:  

The above problem seems to have been caused by the Mozilla-Thunderbird/Enigmail Mageia package that I had installed via the PPM. No idea why.

I uninstalled these package and this seemed to do the trick. Everything seems to be back to normal now - including the boot-up sequence and video performance.

Goes to show that installing "foreign" packages can have serious consequences. This was a system-level problem I think.

Never seen this before with any of the Lupu or Slackpup or Dpup versions.

The reason that I installed Thunderbird in the first place is that the mail module in IceApe seems to be broken - it's not possible to create a new account.

I wonder if Mageia itself has a problem with these mail clients or is it really a compatibility problem that only shows up when installed in Drake.

Does anyone have a Mageia system set up and has found Thunderbird/IceApe to be problematical?

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jrb


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 19:17    Post subject:  

Very impressive for an alpha! Very Happy

Running frugal install.

Have found one problem:
Code:
/usr/bin/mksquashfs

seems to be broken. Produces SFS's but they fail to mount/unmount. SFS's produced in other versions of puppy work fine in Drakepup but the ones produced in Drakepup fail to work in Drake, Lupu or Wary.

Cheers, J
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 19:42    Post subject:  

tronkel wrote:
The above problem seems to have been caused by the Mozilla-Thunderbird/Enigmail Mageia package that I had installed via the PPM. No idea why.

I uninstalled these package and this seemed to do the trick. Everything seems to be back to normal now - including the boot-up sequence and video performance.

Goes to show that installing "foreign" packages can have serious consequences. This was a system-level problem I think.

Never seen this before with any of the Lupu or Slackpup or Dpup versions.

The reason that I installed Thunderbird in the first place is that the mail module in IceApe seems to be broken - it's not possible to create a new account.

I wonder if Mageia itself has a problem with these mail clients or is it really a compatibility problem that only shows up when installed in Drake.

Does anyone have a Mageia system set up and has found Thunderbird/IceApe to be problematical?


If you type "iceape" in the PPM search box (for mageia-core repo), there are some other iceape packages, maybe you need one of them.

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James C


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 20:07    Post subject:  

tronkel wrote:
The above problem seems to have been caused by the Mozilla-Thunderbird/Enigmail Mageia package that I had installed via the PPM. No idea why.

I uninstalled these package and this seemed to do the trick. Everything seems to be back to normal now - including the boot-up sequence and video performance.

Goes to show that installing "foreign" packages can have serious consequences. This was a system-level problem I think.

Never seen this before with any of the Lupu or Slackpup or Dpup versions.

The reason that I installed Thunderbird in the first place is that the mail module in IceApe seems to be broken - it's not possible to create a new account.

I wonder if Mageia itself has a problem with these mail clients or is it really a compatibility problem that only shows up when installed in Drake.

Does anyone have a Mageia system set up and has found Thunderbird/IceApe to be problematical?


It's probably not so simple, but did you also install the Iceape mail package?
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jul 2011, 11:08    Post subject: Re: Drake !!  

sszindian wrote:
... anyone else have this happen ???


In Drake, I installed the sfs made by playdayz, I did not try the pet version. After reboot, I moved the starter desktop file from /usr/share/applications to the desktop. For performance test and comparison with some HTML5 compatible browsers, I used FishIE Tank. See my results below. Note that these are average numbers - test values vary around them:

Chromium ~35 fps
Firefox Nightly ~28 fps, Firefox 4 ~15 fps
SM 2.2beta3 ~25 fps (much faster than its predecessors that produced <10 fps, however)
Opera 10.10... 10.50 ~ 32 fps (but the movement is annoyingly jerky. Do Opera guys cheat us?)

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tronkel


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jul 2011, 12:13    Post subject:  

jamesc wrote:
Quote:
It's probably not so simple, but did you also install the Iceape mail package?


This was the order I installed/uninstalled the extras.
Install Iceape
Install the Iceape Mail addon
This seemed to be broken, so installed Thunderbird
Installed Enigmail.
At this point the system wouldn't boot to a full X Desktop.

I then deleted the above in reverse order. This fixed the boot problem.

Then re-installed the Thunderbird client and also the Enigmail extension. System still boots OK.

I'm starting to wonder if this problem is to do with overstepping the boundaries of the available pup-save file area.

After installing the stuff that caused the crash as above, there was still a "reported" 65MB available space left in the pupsave. (obtained by hovering the mouse over the Partview panel tray icon). This may have been misquoted maybe. I have a feeling that this is the real source of the problem.

Anyone else had problems with establishing how much remaining space exists in the pupsave?

Next experiment is to re-install the Iceape Mail addon - but first ensuring that there remains enough available space in the pupsave. It this add-on then seems to be behaving itself, then the pupsave available space problem will have been the cause of the problem.

Watch this space for the latest update on the Tronkel Unexplained Bork Catastrophe 2011 - aka TUBK-2011

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jul 2011, 12:39    Post subject:  

Yep, just as I had hoped - by ensuring that there is a generous amount of spare pupsave space everything works fine. After reinstalling the Icecape mail addon, I can create an email account normally System also now boots OK.

The latest Mozilla apps seem to gobble up space though.

So in the end, it seems to be the case that the crash was engendered by an over-full pupsave and not the installed apps themselves.

Some anecdotal feedback may reveal that there is a problem with incorrectly reporting remaining pupsave space as it approaches its size limit. Given the above-mentioned observation that the Mozilla apps seem to quickly eat up space, this situation could easily and unintentionally occur when installing these newish Mozilla apps.

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scsijon

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jul 2011, 21:05    Post subject:  

frugal install with rpm-fix not service pack. (Box3, an old asi box with onboard intel video)

Install went well, no problems.

inbuilt apps seem ok from a quick start and superficial runthrough.

?wonder how I run glxgears though as this box is not on the internet and it doesn't seem to be inbuilt? I'd like to compare puppy versions! ?where do I grap drake specific pets from please?

The only request would be to be able to set screen size as part of install, not later, a 12" screen set to 1600x1200 is a "little hard to read" (lost the other 20" to a power spike some month ago and awaiting insurance payout to replace). I use 1024x768x24bits as standard across all my monitors as it makes it easy on the eyes when looking across/between them and i'd rreally like to be able to set it that way from the start.

will download and install servicepack and see where we go from that.

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