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#21 Post by 2byte »

Hi sickgut,

Downloading now. How about posting the md5sums?


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#22 Post by harii4 »

the project reminds me of:
Pussycat SHED or GALPon Minino
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... e732af89cd
but it had "mut2 (1.0.0.1156) of origin Puppy Linux 2008"
http://minino.galpon.org/wiki/doku.php? ... teristicas
It used Debian packaging system (. Deb). and is 100% debian as well.

Maybe you could add mut2 too? :D
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#23 Post by aarf »

ok wlan0 in the preferences tab got wifi connected. but temporary external glich may have resulted in no pages being able to load.
something about partition not being on a boundary could that be the partition problem. gparted wont start but info above from the other meowthing in that folder.
wrote some notes with a leafpad to the pussy partition folder but it disappeared when viewed from puppy. so that is why this info is sketchy.
how to mount partitions? how to take screenshot?
over all has definite promise. is fast. but is not intuative need to read all the instructions.
Perhaps a pussy forum at your site or a ready made third party forum elsewhere to remove the barbarian cultural influence.
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#24 Post by mahaju »

nooby wrote:Pussycat wikipedia says

Pussycat is a common term for a cat.

Pussy wikipedia says

Pussy is an English word meaning:

* Cat
* The human female genitalia, for the slang term related to genital anatomy.
* Pejoratively, cowardice or weakness as an insult in general

So the name should be Pussycat Linux. :)

Edit but to be consistent with Puppy Linux it should refer to a Cat puppy so them maybe are referred to as kitten?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten_%28 ... guation%29

in ordinary language????? would become KittyCat Linux?

Edit II

I used to be everywhere. Now I do my best to only post on things that I know enough or on things I want to know and before that I posted on things I knew nothing so a slight improvement. Sorry.
How about meownux, or felinux or may be even Felix?

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#25 Post by sc0ttman »

How about "Pussy Linux" as that is what sickgut has chosen!
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#26 Post by nooby »

sc0ttman wrote:How about "Pussy Linux" as that is what sickgut has chosen!
Yes the polite thing is to let the Dev of a thing to decide on the name.

But if that name makes it almost impossible for a lot of person to make use of it then one can in a friendly humorous way tease the name maker a bit and he change it to KittyCat Linux whatever. :)
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#27 Post by shariebeth »

nooby wrote:
sc0ttman wrote:How about "Pussy Linux" as that is what sickgut has chosen!
Yes the polite thing is to let the Dev of a thing to decide on the name.

But if that name makes it almost impossible for a lot of person to make use of it then one can in a friendly humorous way tease the name maker a bit and he change it to KittyCat Linux whatever. :)
I find it an unfortunate choice of name as well, and will not even try it based on that alone.

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#28 Post by Keef »

That's put the kibosh on my plans to release "Beaver Linux" then. Oh bugger.

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#29 Post by mickee »

sickgut wrote:just a quick note to let yall know there is an easter egg in the usb flash drive .img install that explains the "Less Lonely" codename a little.
Hmmm are we saying Justin Bieber is a pussy?
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#30 Post by CLAM01 »

Hey, Sc0ttman and all concerned with "Pussy Linux", how about just pronouncing the pussy "PC"?

PC Linux is what the pussy is essentially: A squash file that can be expanded for hard drive install, not really set up for frugal, a hierarchy of multi-user ownerships and permissions, union file system layering and so on. I don't see much that is distinctively puppy.

There is already a pclinux.com website. It has a forum, not as good as puppy's, but few are. They have debian's synaptec set up to download .debs from the debian repos, to update and round up dependencies.

I apologize if I am not PC and not pussyfooting to not step on toes, but this pussy looks like a debbie kitten, not a pup dog to me.

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#31 Post by sickgut »

hi CLAM01

Pussy linux doesnt have a compressed filesystem it decompresses to HDD, it stays compressed. Also you can use save files on the USB version that are compressed, there is no decompression to the HDD. Like Puppy if you do a full install to HDD it decompressed it to the HDD and a 120MB .iso of Puppy installs to hundreds of MB onto the HDD, Pussy doesnt do this as it just runs it compressed, HDD, CDROM, USB, all the same.

Please actually download and run Pussy before you comment on what it is and how it works as you obviously have not used it or read the release notes as you seem to think it doesnt do frugal, isnt a save file on the HDD while you run a live cdrom or USB actually a frugal?

comparing pussy to pclinux is like comparing puppy lucid to ubuntu but im not going to bother answering claims from people who obviously have not used Pussy.

i freaking wish people would actually read the forum posts etc before commenting because i seem to have to say over and over and over again that Pussy isnt a Puppy, Pussy is something ive posted here that is the culmination of 2 years of work on package management for Puppy, after my apt-get package for puppy lucid worked but was not a 100% solution, i then set out to make a OS as close to puppy as i could possibly make it that actually does have 100% apt get working 100% of the time as it is a debian base that has had nothing done to break compatibility, but it is slimmed down and added many similar apps to puppy and made to work like it best i can, pussy is posted here because im looking for interest from developers who will help me with the final step of turning pussy into a puppy.

i am trying to turn Pussy INTO a Puppy, it isnt a Puppy right now. And please note you can run or dev on Pussy with or without the pussyxtra.squashfs file that contains the extra apps apps (results in to 207mb OS including the 67mb live system) or with or without the pussyos.squashfs file, without this file this results in a 67mb OS.
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#32 Post by nooby »

Sickgut you most likely know Debian way better than what I do :)

Knoppix and even Ubuntu could boot in frugal install on NTFS HDD


Don't you have any clue on how to set up Pussy that way?
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#33 Post by nooby »

A more formal remark.

Puppy Derivatives

Pussy is that really a puppy derivative?

Is it not a Debian such? So you should have placed it under

Truly off topic :)
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#34 Post by sickgut »

hi nooby,

I originally was making Pussy as a USB flashdisk based distro that would be distributed via .img files, or .iso that you can burn to cdrom that contains the .img that you can then use a script to get it to image the USB stick you like.

After stumbling on some knowledge about compressed save files and making my own squash based filesystems i found it all of a sudden worked on a live CDROM.

So this is how Pussy has been bred onto USB sticks and CDROMs but not HDD. The only way i know to do HDD is image the USB image to the HDD, that is the method im currently using and im now using a compressed save file in the /live dir of the HDD, this works fine immediately using the save-file option in the Catroll-Panel. This option works in the USB and HDD install but not on Live CDROM as its only in the /live dir of the live media that the live system looks for the compressed squashfs files and automount them inturn (alphabetical order) onto the main "/" filesystem. The next step for me is to try see if it will still work if there is a sysmlink in that dir of a squashfile but the file exists on a ext2 , 3 , 4 partition on the HDD. The non compressed best way for HDD save file is to image the USB stick to the hdd and use the rest of the space as a ext2. 3. or 4 partition named live-rw and it will treat the entire partition like a non compressed save file. You can still create compressed save files out of the noncompressed partition and ill have that as an option in the beta.

Im going to have to learn about how to make the usb image not use a fat32 partition and all about syslinux, grub or whatever booting method its gonna work for HDD install, but the OS will always be stored in one file as this is unwriteable as this is the strength of the live system as you cant possibly corrupt the main OS.

The issue with posting on the puppy derivatives forum is because this has to do with puppy the whole point of me making this OS is so that devs could fit the auto mounting and other puppy opnly apps onto it to MAKE it a Puppy. There isnt any place on these forums for OS that people want to be MADE into a puppy, and i believe this is not off topic. All i need is some dev help and input to fit some puppy things ontop of it to make a it a puppy then the entire puppy community and potential newbies will have a Puppy OS that has 100% apt-get debian repo support.

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#35 Post by sickgut »

now to clarify something (as i answer this about 5 times a day):

no this isnt dpup, no it isnt the same kinda packagemanagement as dpup or Lucid with the same set of problems, this isnt a puplet that has alot of debs fitted on top of it. There seems to be alot of people under the impression that Pussy just offers debian repo accessablilty with a crude system of installing the debs onto the OS, this is in correct, this is an OS that has 100% apt-get working debian repo access and compatibility and it works 100% of the time, 100% every time, the package management works perfectly. This OS was built on the smallest possible debian base that was then stripped then built on top of in such a way that doesnt break compatibility with debian and as such it installs debian stuff PERFECTLY and it has a script in the catroll panel that cleans up alot of the junky stuff you dont need after you install stuff, this will be improved on the beta, this way things arent bloated and are similar to size of puppy, much smaller infact if you compare it with a puppy full hdd install as pussy is compressed with squashfs4 and you can literally fit 700mb into 140mb file, same with the compressed save files you can run from USB and HDD, you can from CDROM but it requires a line at in the live.cfg file to be added with the path of the file save file you wanna load at boot and an edit in the save-file script in the catroll panel to drive onto a local hdd or media.

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#36 Post by nooby »

Thanks that was very helpful and I was not as serious with that question as it could be read to be so I placed a friendly :) there to show me smile and not where critical.

I know too little about how things works in Debian. I never learned the .img thing.

Hopefully you find some Dev here that can help you make a Puppy out of Pussy.
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#37 Post by Sylvander »

Would it be possible to include the ability to CHOOSE if/when to save the session back to the pupsave...
Either during the session and/or at shut-down/reboot?

I do this at the moment in Lupu-525. :D

Tried booting the CD a few minutes back.
Wasn't impressed.
Low quality splash screen.
Slow to boot.
Got to a flashing underscore, nor sure what to do, entered the command startx on the off chance, and that seemed to work.
Then it wanted me to input a password, and I didn't know it.
Gave up and blanked the CD-RW disk. :(

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#38 Post by sickgut »

There are 2 types f save files, non compressed and compressed.

Non compressed: either a file containing a ext2, 3, 4 filesystem names live-rw or a partition named live-rw. This is written to and read from in realtime, there is no choice in not saving to it or anything, any write you made it immediately and directly written to this file. You can see the contents of the save file and manipulate them in the /live/cow dir, here is where it is mounted, it is combined with the contents of /live/image during boot (/live/image contains the unchanging live media. This type of savefile/ savepartition works with all Pussys but is ONLY one that works with live CDROM. also the live-rw file can exist on any drive partition connected to your system if it is in the main dir of the partition and if your using a live-rw labeled partition instead of a file then this partition will be detected at boot up no matter where it is placed on the drives.

Compressed: This is not automatic, you must choose to click on the Catroll-Panel + save-file + save script and this will take the contents of /live/cow and makes a squashfs4 file containing the filesystem located there and saves it in the /live dir of the live media (this why it doesnt save to cdrom as cdrom isnt writeable) this is the command it executes:

mksquashfs /live/cow/ /live/savefile.squashfs

The reason it is saving the file in the /live dir of the live media is the fact that the debian-live base it uses loads every squashfs file in this dir in turn (alphabetically) and overlays them on the main "/" filesystem. This is how it loads the save file at boot and what the live system is doing is treating it the same as the compressed filesystem.squash , the pussos.squashfs etc and the save file becomes part of the live system. The save files contents will be viewable in the /live/image dir. You can add a script to save your system to the compressed save file at shutdown but as default in its present form the user must click the save script to save.

It is possible to run both compressed and noncompressed save files, and every so often create a save to a compressed save file via the Catroll-Panel script. the user would then clear out the live-rw noncompressed file or partition as it isnt needed anymore, it has all been added to the compressed save file in /live/savefile.squashfs and there are massive bonuses in space saving due to the compression 700mb fits into a 140mb save file sometimes depending on the type of data.

This is also a cool way to remaster your own Pussy viariant as all you have to do is rename the compressed savefile.squashfs to something alphabetically lower than the filesystem.squashfs, pussos.squashfs and pussyxtra.squashfs but is alphabetically higher than savefile.squashfs as this file should always be the last one to load. Then copy it to a Pussy .iso and burn it.

Please note that altho the usb image does have some free space on its partition it is only a 699mb partition with less than 200mb free space (full version that is the latest downloadable version that has the pussxtra.squashfs with all the extra apps) and you will need to use gparted or some other program to extend the first partition to something bigger if your wanting to have large compressed save files.

Im hoping this indepth explanation of the save file system answers your questions. Runing a USB version or HDD installed version while using a compessed save file from the Catroll-Panel is similar to a frugal pupsave that you have to manually tell to save.

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#39 Post by sickgut »

Sylvander wrote:Would it be possible to include the ability to CHOOSE if/when to save the session back to the pupsave...
Either during the session and/or at shut-down/reboot?

I do this at the moment in Lupu-525. :D

Tried booting the CD a few minutes back.
Wasn't impressed.
Low quality splash screen.
Slow to boot.
Got to a flashing underscore, nor sure what to do, entered the command startx on the off chance, and that seemed to work.
Then it wanted me to input a password, and I didn't know it.
Gave up and blanked the CD-RW disk. :(
Did you use the copy to ram or the normal live boot? Yes the asthetic stuff isnt suposed to be bigh quality, its a raw base ready to be turned into a Puppy so i have deliberately left it all standard, im sorry but you should have atleast glanced at the release notes on the site as it states plain as day and ive all ready mentioned 2 times directly on this thread that the user and password is root and pussy

The Pussy can be ran with or without the pussyxtra.squashfs, without it the copy to ram speed is less than half

im sorry to keep repeating myself over and over on this thread but everyone seems to be asking the same questions over and over, please read the release notes and please try to actually download and use pussy before commenting on what or what Pussy is not, it will make the thread alot smaller

im sorry but if you dont read the documentation then its your own fault.

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#40 Post by Sylvander »

1. "Did you use the copy to ram or the normal live boot?"
Copy to RAM.

2. "the asthetic stuff isnt suposed to be bigh quality, its a raw base ready to be turned into a Puppy so i have deliberately left it all standard"
OK.

3. "you should have atleast glanced at the release notes"
Actually I did, and made a couple of notes of key items.
Didn't write down the username and password; thought I'd remember those, then when I entered what I thought would work it didn't.
Didn't read ALL of the notes, they were so looong, and I don't have the patience or time.

4. "The Pussy can be ran with or without the pussyxtra.squashfs, without it the copy to ram speed is less than half "
I'm sure this is like 2+2 to you, but not to me.
Meaningless to me at this point.
I don't suppose it matters too much one way or the other, so I'll just have a 2nd go at this and see what happens.
Busy burning a 2nd copy of the CD right now.

5. "if you dont read the documentation then its your own fault"
OK, so it's a necessity to read the documentation prior to attempting to boot the CD.
Now that is something of an off-putter.
One of the advantages of the normal Puppy is that it "just works".
Which is what happened the 1st time I tried a Puppy.
I tried it, it "just worked", and I liked that.

6. I wonder if you should make a short and PROMINENT list the essentials needed [for a new user] to get a successful boot....
Rather than forcing the prospective user to wade through a rather large document.

7. New download completed...
Burning CD-RW...
Will read the release notes whilst waiting...
Text is rather tiny and therefore difficult for me to read...
Very off-putting...
Downloaded zipped save file...
Extracting the archive [live-rw file]...completed...
Using Xfe to "Move to..." its final home in the "Pussy" folder on a partition on the 2nd internal HDD [sdb2]...
[This will surely put off new/inexperienced users]
Burn now complete...
Whew! Reading these release notes is too much yet again...
I'm going to have a 2nd go at booting the CD.
I'll be back.

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8. I'm back...
Experienced some difficulty...
Got the flashing underscore...
Used the startx command, which took me forward...
Asked for password, gave it pussy, but that failed...
Now asked for meow login:, so gave it root...
Asked for password:, and typed in pussy, but nothing showed...
Took me a while to realize it was being input but not being displayed, so I hit <Enter>, and that worked.
Was presented with a command prompt where I entered startx again...
That took me to the desktop.
FINALLY!
Ran the ROX-filer background....[Icons appeared on desktop]
Clicked the "Network" icon, didn't see anything happen...
Tried to run web-browser, got window...
At 1st attempt tried to install, and got BLACK SCREEN!
At 2nd attempt on new boot, tried to run the other thingy [non-persistent], and again got BLACK SCREEN!
Am I doing something wrong? :?

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