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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 14:14    Post subject: Stable  

As stable as this is, there is some revolutionary advances being made as you move to completion on this.

This, in my view, is NOT an UPDATE. This is an advancement! Significant in kernel(s), and tool(s) for community use.

I, for one, applaud this effort as it is embracing many 2011 advances made. Maybe the LTS might not be a good acronym to reflect the positive things you are bringing forth for our benefit.

Potentially 2-3 distro, Puppy 5.2.5 based, 32bit/64bit, that takes advantage of all RAM on any modern PC since 2006....WOW! And, most of all, very, very stable. And, I do not see any increase iin system running memory use that I would consider as negative. In fact, the system seems (currently emotional) even more responsive.

Thanks you for this

Question on flash
Didn't someone already get a facility in place that only installs Flash when the browser demanded it? Was that Pemasu? I thought I remember seeing this somewhere before.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 14:44    Post subject: Re: Stable  

gcmartin wrote:
Question on flash
Didn't someone already get a facility in place that only installs Flash when the browser demanded it? Was that Pemasu? I thought I remember seeing this somewhere before.
I think DaveS did mention it to have a facility to switch off/on flashplayer when needed.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 14:47    Post subject:  

nooby - remove the "nosmp" parameter. Netbooks benefit a lot from Hyperthreading and you disable it, which means your N270 runs only one thread.

This isn't 50% of the performance you get with SMP, but when it's an Atom processor everything counts - I have an N450 and I had to do many tweaks to get things working well Smile

And gcmartin - that's my point too - advancement and embraceable of new things we built as a community in 2011, which was a great year so far. The "-lts" suffix is there because its the 2.6.32 branch, which is longterm-supported by Red Hat, Debian, Ubuntu and others - I recompile this kernel when a new bug-fix release comes out and the build script is responsible for ensuring backwards compatibility. That's definitely something we should use in 5.3 - the ability to upgrade the kernel to bug-fix releases between 5.0, 5.1, etc'.

And playdayz - I really like EZ-Woof. Can you upload one with every Luci, or at least DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS, DISTRO_SPECS and the modified templates? I'd like to do some compilation work on it.

Also, I think it's time to freshen it up with the latest Ubuntu packages, because some security fixes made their way to Lucid. 5.2.6 could be the golden age of 5.x, just like 4.3.1 back then.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 14:47    Post subject: Re: Stable  

Béèm wrote:
gcmartin wrote:
Question on flash
Didn't someone already get a facility in place that only installs Flash when the browser demanded it? Was that Pemasu? I thought I remember seeing this somewhere before.
I think DaveS did mention it to have a facility to switch off/on flashplayer when needed.


For Opera. Otherwise, Flashblock allows discretionary useage

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 14:57    Post subject:  

Hello playdayz,
You couldn't leave the big world of Lucid. Wink

Installed FRUGAL Lin'N'Win the 260
All went well and 'attached' my application environment.
Applications did run.

However I was 'spoiled' by puppy's having sfs load on the fly, so I installed it in 260. Maybe nice to add it in a later release.

Also in pemasu's I discovered this wonderful utility of google translate.
Working regularly in multilingual, this was really a big help to me.
Maybe also something to consider to add?

Compared to 5.2.5 260 seems snappier, specially with my Wine applications.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 14:59    Post subject: Pmusic 1.8.3  

1) Testing pmusic 1.8.3 (PC n°1) :
- files (mp3): OK
- Menu (French language) : OK
- Radio menager; list is downloaded but very very slowly.... Impossible to listen any radio... "alert no File"...I must kill the process
- Podcast Menager list is downloaded but very slowly.... (6 mp3 =6x1020 k) in /root/my-documents/Podcasts : OK
- Icons of playlist : None of the buttons are working. I must kill the process.
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2)Time > UTC : False but after Psync Time and reboot : it's good.
3) Other programs I tested look very good :
Sylpheed : OK

SFS :Gimp, Seamonkey,Skype, vlc
PETs :
Nvidia and report-video-glx are good
startmount,
Photoxx, UFRaw

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 15:19    Post subject: Re: Stable  

DaveS wrote:
Béèm wrote:
gcmartin wrote:
Question on flash
Didn't someone already get a facility in place that only installs Flash when the browser demanded it? Was that Pemasu? I thought I remember seeing this somewhere before.
I think DaveS did mention it to have a facility to switch off/on flashplayer when needed.


For Opera. Otherwise, Flashblock allows discretionary useage
Sorry, my memory left me in the cold.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 15:30    Post subject:  

Does 'fixmenus' HAVE to run at every boot/re-start of X?
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 15:46    Post subject:
Subject description: mplayer
 

Mplayer :
No icon in Menu but it runs with a Console.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 16:17    Post subject:  

Hi all

playdayz nice to see you back in the saddle

system
amd athlon ll x4 2800mhz
4gb ddr3 ram
nvidia on board graphics

am running 260 from a multisession dvd only one problem so far, volume not working on first boot due to the "master front" channel in alsamixer being set to nothing

If this is common to everybody I will try to find the relevent config file to correct this (please let me know)

iguleder and daves I agree about the flash, but would this change be wise for the problems it could cause for newbies booting for the first time expecting puppy to work straight out of the box? how about an automatic update for flash and other software? (sorry thinking out loud)

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 17:27    Post subject:  

If you can spare 45.5k I think Don570 Right-clicks provides some excellent functionality for the small size.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=515003#515003

Also Geoffrey's MenuMaker is very good at 24k.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=539381#539381

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 17:37    Post subject:  

DaveS wrote:
Does 'fixmenus' HAVE to run at every boot/re-start of X?
Not that I know of.
Why do you ask?

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 18:05    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
All, please test pmusic 1.8.3 in luci-260. Put it through its paces if you could. Zigbert thinks it has problems, but it is at least playing mp3's for me--perhaps switching to the i686 libc helped.
I have no problem with playback of local files, but the progressbar freezes, and gives me problem with internal (non user interaction) actions like navigate to next song after finished playing a track.

I am using Puppy 5.11, and have not tried Lucid 26x
(sorry for not testing). If things sort out fine for others - excellent. - But it still sounds scary to bump up a backend for a bugfix release - or is it Puppy 5.3 Wink


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 18:05    Post subject:  

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Mplayer :
No icon in Menu but it runs with a Console.

Ha-Ha. Our previous mplayer did not have the mpui--mplayer user interface.

Oh wait, this doesn't either. mplayer is a console program with several different user interfaces, mpui, gnome-mplayer, Smplayer, Umplayer.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 18:14    Post subject:  

Quote:
But it still sounds scary to bump up a backend for a bugfix release -

Oh, you mean ffmpeg. Yes. It has been 3 months. There was kind of a fortuitous confluence of events. Micko built the new ffmpeg at the very same time I built the new gnome-mplayer--great minds run in the same ruts, as they say Wink

Then to get gnome-mplayer to cooperate with ffmpeg, I changed the libc libraries from the i386 of Lucid previously to the i686 version of the same library. That is the libc is still from Lucid 10.04, but Lucid Lynx contained two versions. I had thought the OS would choose between them, but evidently it was more mechanical.

At any rate, Pmusic is an important part of Puppy and we hope it will be possible to work things out.

ffmpeg and the libc are the only big changes that are planned and we will test them thoroughly.

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And playdayz - I really like EZ-Woof. Can you upload one with every Luci, or at least DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS, DISTRO_SPECS and the modified templates? I'd like to do some compilation work on it.

Also, I think it's time to freshen it up with the latest Ubuntu packages, because some security fixes made their way to Lucid. 5.2.6 could be the golden age of 5.x, just like 4.3.1 back then.


Iguleder, Every luci? Do you know how many luci's there have been? Wink Can you tell me more about what you are needing?

Also, details on packages to freshen up would be very helpful. Thanks.

Oh, we could probably use a Gnumeric 1.1.6 if you are itching to compile.
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