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The Five Best Desktop Linux Distributions
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 00:17    Post subject:  The Five Best Desktop Linux Distributions  

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/the-five-best-desktop-linux-distributions/9166?tag=nl.e539
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Summary: After almost twenty years of working with Linux desktops, here’s Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ pick of the litter.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 02:38    Post subject:  

He says that "I prefer KDE to GNOME for my Linux desktop."

Is Puppy closer to what? I trust the puppy I use most likely is JWM?
Is that a smaller version of GNOME? Some of the more experimental
Puppy have KDE?

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 02:50    Post subject:  

This was kind of predictable with Mepis being the only surprise. I guess the thing about Mint is, it just works without any fiddling required. Even codecs are included.
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 02:52    Post subject:  

If Mint Linux is that good then PepperMint Linux steal the show?
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 03:02    Post subject:  

Since I've been using Mepis for quite a while(since Mepis 6.5) I can understand how it made the list.Can't stand the new Ubuntu though......Unity/Gnome 3 are both pretty bad. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 04:19    Post subject:  

How much does AntiX differ from Simply Mepis?

Can Mepis do what AntiX failed doing in frugal install.
To write to the partition one booted from in frugal intall
was not allowed even if one was root. Yes I did ask for help at AntiX forum.

Them made heroic effort to help me it never succeeded. Had to give it all up.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 05:05    Post subject:  

I'm posting from Swift Linux (which is based on AntiX, but has some additional features such as Open Office) now.

I like it a lot, but as far as I know there isn't even an option to do a frugal install in either it or AntiX (which I also have). though you can do a full install to hard disk.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 07:21    Post subject:  

strange that people don't like unity...

IMO, it is an improvement over the previous gnome thing.
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 08:39    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
I'm posting from Swift Linux (which is based on AntiX, but has some additional features such as Open Office) now.

I like it a lot, but as far as I know there isn't even an option to do a frugal install in either it or AntiX (which I also have). though you can do a full install to hard disk.


Well AntiC the Dev is kind guy so he has described how to do frugal on the forum so one need to search there I managed to boot both AntiX and Swift on NTFS but being a "Live" iso them are set up to make the partition them boot from to be a Read Only boot partition so one can not save anything to it. No permissions even of one are root. Maybe one can be some extreme SuperUser Root but they did not tell how to do that. So it sure booted but no writing to that disk

Porteus allowed it and Knoppix does allow it too and even TCL now when them have reconsidered the NTFS thing.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 10:01    Post subject:  

I have the worst luck with hard disk drives, so I won't consider using an OS that requires one. Running Puppy from a multisession DVD is the perfect solution for me. I save Puppy-related stuff - programs and settings - on the DVD and put everything else on an external drive, such as a USB flash drive. The only disadvantage I can see is that Puppy takes a while to boot from a DVD. That's a small price to pay for the peace of mind I get from having no hard disk. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 13:14    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
I have the worst luck with hard disk drives, so I won't consider using an OS that requires one. Running Puppy from a multisession DVD is the perfect solution for me. I save Puppy-related stuff - programs and settings - on the DVD and put everything else on an external drive, such as a USB flash drive. The only disadvantage I can see is that Puppy takes a while to boot from a DVD. That's a small price to pay for the peace of mind I get from having no hard disk. Smile


Does not some Puppies boot faster using CD than them do using a HDD?

I guess it depends when one start the timer?

The thing I wish would happen is cheap USB memories that is as safe as a DVD. A lot of small Netbooks does not have a DVD drive. Unless one place it outside as an external one. Can one boot from such?

I have an adapter? that can boot from an USB HDD.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 13:25    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
I have the worst luck with hard disk drives, so I won't consider using an OS that requires one. Running Puppy from a multisession DVD is the perfect solution for me. I save Puppy-related stuff - programs and settings - on the DVD and put everything else on an external drive, such as a USB flash drive. The only disadvantage I can see is that Puppy takes a while to boot from a DVD. That's a small price to pay for the peace of mind I get from having no hard disk. :)


Do you have a way of backing up the data on the DVD?

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 18:38    Post subject:  

Bruce B wrote:
Do you have a way of backing up the data on the DVD?

As I mentioned, the only data on my multisession DVD are the programs I've installed and the settings I've changed. In other words, the changes and additions I've made to Puppy itself. Everything else, I save on an external USB flash memory or hard disk drive.
I can't remember a multisession DVD going bad in about six years, compared with at least four hard disk drives that failed on me in approximately that amount of time, so I haven't felt the need to back up a multisession Puppy DVD. If I did, there are two ways I can think of to do it.

1. Make an exact copy. I tried this once just to see if it would work. It did, but with a hitch that happened because the multisession Puppy I copied had been made from a DVD+RW which had previously been filled to the brim with something else. I hadn't bothered to blank it completely before I used it for a multisession Puppy and so the unblanked stuff, while not affecting its use for my purpose, was still on the disk so it got copied too. About 4GB worth. Rolling Eyes This couldn't have happened if I'd made my multisession Puppy with a DVD+R instead of RW.
Making an exact copy requires enough memory somewhere to temporarily hold the contents of the multisession Puppy DVD being copied. This might not be much of a problem since the only things on the DVD should be the Puppy iso, perhaps 150 MB at most; the saved sessions, which don't amount to much if you only save sessions when you've changed a setting or installed a program that you want to keep in Puppy; and whatever programs you've installed. So maybe only 500 MB of RAM or external flash memory should be enough to temporarily store the entire contents of a multisession DVD. However, I think the second way of backing up my multisession DVD is more elegant than simply copying it:

2. I call this defragmenting a multisession DVD. It's also an all-purpose way to back up a multisession DVD. I've used it many times to upgrade to a newer version of Puppy.
    a. Boot the multisession Puppy DVD you wish to back up.
    b. Replace it with a blank DVD. (Any kind of recordable DVD will work, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW. It doesn't have to be the same kind as the multisession DVD you booted from in step a.)
    c. Using either Burniso2cd or Pburn, burn the same Puppy iso onto the blank DVD as is on the one you booted from in step a.
    d. With the newly burned DVD still in the drive, click the Save icon on the desktop. This will condense everything from all the sessions on the DVD you booted from in step a into the first session on the newly burned DVD (that's why I call it defragmenting.) Your settings and installed programs from the original DVD will all be there when you boot from this new DVD.
    e. Enjoy. I'd boot from it to confirm that it works as expected, then put it in a safe place.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Jun 2011, 03:11    Post subject:  

Flash, wow I envy that second approach.

I used DVD multisession when I first started with Puppy and I did like it.

But my current computer is a Netbook and them are only 10" so not good place for a DVD burner.

Sure one can have an USB such. But it would be two things to carry around Smile

I wish one could make USB mem stick as secure as DVD multisession.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Jun 2011, 22:44    Post subject: My Approach  

My approach is to put all my data: docs, databases, spreadsheets, presentations, pdfs, eBooks, html files like Tiddlywiki on an SDHC card. (I have enough room so also store pets and source files and OpenOffice/LibreOffice extensions; java apps, etc. on it.)

Started doing that in 2008 when I retired and wasn't working for clients and didn't have to use Windows. By keeping my data on the card (which back up from time to time on a USB key using dd, I don't have to worry about hard disks failing, PC's failing or losing my data when I erase a partition that had data on it.

As to my favourite Linux distros, Puppy is #1 because I have complete control and don't have to fight to do what I want.

That said, I like Fusion 14, a Fedora 14 remaster, with Linux Mint menus. Didn't have to install much. Everything works - don't have to worry about dependency hell. so if have a problem with running something on Puppy, I can usually run it on Fusion or WINE in Fusion. (I don't like kde - have had too many fights with kwallet). Only 32bit.

Also like 64bit CLDG 11.3, Calculate Linux Desktop GNOME, a Russian Gentoo remaster. That means install = compile from source. Runs fast but couldn't get WINE to compile. But everything purely Linux appears to be working.

Also have 64bit Pinguy 11.04, a Mint remaster. Liked 10.10 very much - got fed up with recompiling keucr module every time there was a kernel upgrade but made the mistake of going to 11.04: no sound from mic. Not good for Skype.

I also have Knoppix, which is more for problems; the old version of Porteus, a Slackware remaster, is interesting; CTKArch, Petite Linux, an openSUSE remaster, and blackPanther, a Mandriva remaster. Haven't spent too much time with these distros.

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