Lucid Puppy 5.25 Feedback and Bug Reports

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Jesse
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#101 Post by Jesse »

Hey I found the problem, regarding booting without hard drive.

In the init script on line 499:
LESSPARTS0="`echo "$LESSPARTS0" | grep -v -f /tmp/ATADRIVES0`" #110205

It seems that Line 499 does not do its intended job, the reason being that the file /tmp/ATADRIVES0 always seems to have an invalid character in it, its totally weird to me too.

Well hey I am not really sure about why that file outputs unusual content.
But I found that if I replace line 499 with codes to do equivalent in commands that are known to execute as expected, then I can boot up without a hard disk.

replacement codes:

for REMOVEDRIVE in $ATADRIVES
do
LESSPARTS0="`echo "$LESSPARTS0" | grep -v $REMOVEDRIVE`"
done

Thanks for your help guys. I hope this patch goes into the next puppy.
Cheers, Jesse

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#102 Post by PaulBx1 »

Worked like a charm on my hard-driveless laptop Jesse. No more need for anything in the CD.

However still not working on my hard-driveless desktop (an Intel D510MO). I think it is something else. I see this printed on the screen:

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Syslinux 4.03 2010-10-22 EDD Copyright (C) 1994-2010 H. Peter Anvin et al
...and there it hangs. A different symptom...

This machine used to boot the same flash drive just fine back when it had Lupu 511 on it. Still boots another flash drive with Puppy 431 on it.

<later>
I notice someone else reported this bug, said it had to do with the latest ISOLINUX. I even commented on that thread! :roll:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68280

The workaround was to replace ISOLINUX with an earlier version, but that only refers to the Live CD. ISOLINUX is not used on a bootable flash drive. Any ideas for that?

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#103 Post by 8-bit »

On the LQ forum, I ran into a person that is trying to restore some older computers for the less fortunate.
I am trying to help him, but I would like it done right.
He is setting up one PC and going to use his experience with it to set up others.
He states that he did a full install to the hard drive and when he boots, the hard drive icon shows as not mounted.
If he mounts it and tries to shut down, the PC just reboots.
If he unmounts the drive, the PC shuts down normally.

The mounting part is where I am lost as I have never done a full install.
So I ask any with Lucid Puppy 5.25 and a full install, if their hard drive shows as mounted on booting.

Also, I had him do a test by creating and saving a short text file.
This was with the hard drive icon showing the drive as unmounted.
The file was available to him at the next boot.

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#104 Post by James C »

8-bit wrote:On the LQ forum, I ran into a person that is trying to restore some older computers for the less fortunate.
I am trying to help him, but I would like it done right.
He is setting up one PC and going to use his experience with it to set up others.
He states that he did a full install to the hard drive and when he boots, the hard drive icon shows as not mounted.
If he mounts it and tries to shut down, the PC just reboots.
If he unmounts the drive, the PC shuts down normally.

The mounting part is where I am lost as I have never done a full install.
So I ask any with Lucid Puppy 5.25 and a full install, if their hard drive shows as mounted on booting.

Also, I had him do a test by creating and saving a short text file.
This was with the hard drive icon showing the drive as unmounted.
The file was available to him at the next boot.
Full install of Lucid 525 on sda 12. I'll mount the partition and reboot and see what happens.
Even though the partition shows as unmounted read/write to it would be impossible so.......hmmmmm.
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#105 Post by James C »

Quick test complete. :)

No matter what the drive icon shows, the partition is obviously mounted on boot.Couldn't access the partition otherwise. My other Puppy full installs show a yellow dot on the drive icon...... don't know how I hadn't noticed this before.

Anyway, I clicked the sda12 drive icon, green dot came on, tried to poweroff and the system rebooted. The green dot was on sda 12 upon reboot but quickly disappeared and is off now as I'm posting.
HTH.

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#106 Post by 8-bit »

So in the case of trying to shut down with the full install partition mounted
a reboot is done instead. I would consider that a bug.

Also, maybe the partition/drive icon being shown as not mounted could be considered another bug.

And for those reading this, remember we are talking about a FULL install.

The problem I see to a new user that thinks the drive/partition should be mounted will not be able to shut down.
Also, it seems interesting that unmounting the partition/drive gives no errors.
I say this because the person I am trying to help stated that if he unmounted the partition, the PC would shut down.

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#107 Post by rjbrewer »

8-bit wrote:
The mounting part is where I am lost as I have never done a full install.
So I ask any with Lucid Puppy 5.25 and a full install, if their hard drive shows as mounted on booting.
That has been a problem since the beginning of Lupu-Lucid.

The primary reason I never use them, being a full install user.
I've mentioned it on numerous occasions.

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#108 Post by 8-bit »

rjbrewer wrote:
8-bit wrote:
The mounting part is where I am lost as I have never done a full install.
So I ask any with Lucid Puppy 5.25 and a full install, if their hard drive shows as mounted on booting.
That has been a problem since the beginning of Lupu-Lucid.

The primary reason I never use them, being a full install user.
I've mentioned it on numerous occasions.
Then it may be to his advantage to install a version of puppy that is not ubuntu based and there are a lot of others to choose from.

I use Lupu 520 myself and have an older version of puppy created by Barry that was pulled due to problems booting from SCSI devices.
That one was Puppy 431 SCSI and I updated it with fixes from the standard 431 threads on the forum.

To me, having the latest and greatest kernel and release do not mean as much as having a version that I can keep the applications up to date in.

When the OS fails to run an updated application that is needed, then by all means, go to a later version.

But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Lucid Puppy 5.25 won't boot!!!

#109 Post by don922 »

There is a complete write-up of the problem I am having at
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 437#537437

I had this same problem in SlickPup then I tried Puppy525 -- the same thing.

I am using a computer and monitor that are less than 6 months old. They are not the top of the line equipment but I have not had any problem with Puppy432v3 or Wary512. What is the problem? Can this be fixed?
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#110 Post by bigpup »

Here is a problem I am having with the program Check Dependencies installed Pkg
It opens showing two lists of programs.
A program is selected in each list.
It will not let you select just one program.
Also, too wide for desktop. Window goes past sides of desktop.
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Re: Lucid Puppy 5.25 won't boot!!!

#111 Post by bigpup »

don922 wrote:There is a complete write-up of the problem I am having at
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 437#537437

I had this same problem in SlickPup then I tried Puppy525 -- the same thing.

I am using a computer and monitor that are less than 6 months old. They are not the top of the line equipment but I have not had any problem with Puppy432v3 or Wary512. What is the problem? Can this be fixed?
Is it booting OK from the live Puppy CD?
What kind of install? Full or frugal?

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#112 Post by don922 »

bigpup wrote:Is it booting OK from the live Puppy CD?
What kind of install? Full or frugal?
Puppy525 and SlickPup are frugal installations. I did not burn a CD because I haven't had to in the past 4 years. I install by mounting the iso then copying the required files to a directory in /mnt/home. This has always worked for me and if it doesn't work in this case something is definitely screwed up with Puppy525 and it's offspring.
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#113 Post by Karl Godt »

For the drive icons on desktop there had been the 'df-script' , which has been replaced by df[-FULL] since I think luci-220 , so the official 511 also comes without this script , which takes care of the root partition naming :
It renames /dev/root to /dev/${PDEV1} . It also seems to filter the '/' lines of rootfs and unionfs into one single line .
pup_event_frontend_d uses df to determine /dev/sda1 if it is your root=/dev/sdaX on the kernel line in the grub menu.lst . If there is no /dev/root on the desktop the mounted icon would not appear .
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#114 Post by Karl Godt »

And before copying the df-script to /bin , make sure

a) that you rename the df binary to 'df-FULL'

b) check if the df script I attached above is still set executable .

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#115 Post by bigpup »

don922 wrote:Near the end of the boot process I get the following error message:
Error Message wrote:
Input Not Supported

This message looks like a message from the monitor rather than the system.
The monitor is an Acer LCD, Model S221HQL, Version S221HQLBD.
I agree, it does look like the monitor is getting input, it does not want to handle.

When you do your manual frugal install, at first boot, do you boot the fresh install with no save file?
AT first fresh boot, of a frugal install of Lucid Puppy 5.2.5 without a save file, it does try to guess at the best video driver and settings to use. It usually guesses it OK.
You could try this:
Add pfix=nox to the end of the kernel line that boots the frugal install.
This should make it boot, but not start X server.
At prompt type xorgwizard.
The very basic video
Choose Vesa driver.
Set resolution to something you know should work.
Finish xorgwizard.
Type xwin at prompt.
Hopefully you will now be at desktop.
If that works
Remove pfix=nox from boot entry.
After making a save file.
It should now boot OK.
You can adjust video drivers by using Quickpet on desktop and rerunning xorgwizard.
Always choose the driver when running xorgwizard.

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#116 Post by playdayz »

I install by mounting the iso then copying the required files to a directory in /mnt/home. This has always worked for me and if it doesn't work in this case something is definitely screwed up with Puppy525 and it's offspring.
That's what I do don992. Of course it is fine. One possibility is that your monitor is too new for Lucid--which was originally released in May 2010 and Ubuntu Lucid Lynx in April 2010. If so then Xorg, which configures the monitor by default in Lucid may not know what to do.

Try this, In your menu.lst add pfix=nox, which will cause Lucid to boot to a prompt. At the prompt enter xorgwizard, enter it twice. Choose the resolution of your monitor and then when xorgwizard ends enter xwin to start X. See what happens and let us know. Thanks.

Ha-ha. What I just wrote was a variation of what bigpup wrote in the message above. Try them both ;-)

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#117 Post by don922 »

playdayz wrote:Try this, In your menu.lst add pfix=nox, which will cause Lucid to boot to a prompt. At the prompt enter xorgwizard, enter it twice.
Entering xorgwizard twice turned the trick. I would never guess a fix like entering a command twice.

Thank you very much! My monitor works with Puppy 412retro so I don't think that it's so new that there is no usable driver in Lucid Puppy 5.2.5.

I have a new problem that I haven't seen before, the desktop width is too wide it runs off the edges of the screen.
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#118 Post by playdayz »

I have a new problem that I haven't seen before, the desktop width is too wide it runs off the edges of the screen.
Is it possible you can adjust that with the controls on your monitor?

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#119 Post by bigpup »

playdayz wrote:At the prompt enter xorgwizard, enter it twice.
playdayz,

What does entering xorgwizard twice do?
Just want to understand effect this has.

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#120 Post by Karl Godt »

xorgwizard can be called with a parameter "$1" . When called with a "$1"
it skips some dialogs .
grep -n '\$1' `which xorgwizard`
58: SUBSTDRV="$1" #alternative driver in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers-alternate
394:if [ ! $1 ];then #100430
401:if [ ! $1 ];then

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