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Béèm


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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2011, 14:25    Post subject:  
pemasu wrote:
Beem, did you have this problem with earlier versions of Ice Puppy or Snow Puppy. JWM 500 was added to these latest versions only.
Anyway, I will keep your problem in mind and I will offer a fix when I have a knack of the cure.

I am willing to revert back to JWM 493 if it will fix the screen problem.
I have the problem in Lucid 5.25 as well and I think also in spup and earlier versions of snow/icepuppy.
As others don't have an issue, and not knowing what the cause is, don't revert JWM back.
I can live with the issue.
I appreciate you keep it in mind, but as you can't reproduce it, difficult to diagnose, I understand.

As soon as I am back home I'll see if I have the issue on the 'beloved' Medion, which has a nvideo graphics card.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2011, 14:43    Post subject:  
Beem. Lucid 525 and Spup uses JWM 500 also, that I know. Hmm, it might be more than coincidence.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2011, 19:15    Post subject:  
The latest SeaMonkey 2.1 compiled by playdayz works great in Ice Puppy and it's fast. Smile

Peacekeeper benchmarks are here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=533511#533511

Download link
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid/seamonkey-2.1-i686.pet
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 17:29    Post subject:  
James C. Echo here. Jim3630 posted the same thing in Polarpup thread. Are you in team ? I am getting a little paranoid, lol. Time to take medicine.

I retuned originally Sheepy`s posted GUI interface for xcompmgr. It creates menu entry to the Desktop section.

Xcompmgr is already installed in Snow Puppies.

I will test SM soon. Just got my first Firefox compiling done, so there is now room for another browser testing.
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 17:39    Post subject:  
I decided to join to the conspiracy. Posting now from that SM 2.
Not bad. How do I get the close button to the browser tab. I know that the solution and answer is here in the forum labyrinth, but well...I thought to cheat a little and ask like newbie.

I like the included Modern theme. Using small icons was next tuning and show text beside icons. Now I have much smaller toolbar. I also unclicked the Personal Toolbar.
New browser tab clickabe icon found.
Yes, I havent much used SM before. I have been mostly Firefox man....
Tomorrow I test the irc functionality. Lets see.....
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 19:49    Post subject:  
pemasu wrote:
How do I get the close button to the browser tab. .....


right click
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun 2011, 06:48    Post subject:  
pemasu wrote:
Beem. Lucid 525 and Spup uses JWM 500 also, that I know. Hmm, it might be more than coincidence.
I did the test again in Lucid 5.2.5 and confirm I have the issue.
But my installation is the default one, so openbox/fbpanel. I don't use JWM in Lucid.

I did the test also in spup 1.2.0 to be sure.
Spup uses indeed JWM 500 as default.
But I don't have the issue in spup

In all cases, the graphics driver used is radeon.
What I could do next is to see if the radeon driver is the same in the (cold)puppy's, lucid and spup.

Still strange issue.
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jun 2011, 09:13    Post subject:  
Getting close button to the Browser tab:
http://tom-cat.com/mozilla/downloads/seatabx-sm21.xpi
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 03:07    Post subject:  
Ice Puppy 015 live pfix=ram on yet another old box off the shelf.Getting ready to wipe Windows 7 and Ubuntu off the hdd so decided to try Ice.

As usual,everything is working on initial boot.

Wed 22 Jun 2011 Operating System: Ice Puppy-015 Linux 2.6.38
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA product: nv44 Board - p382h1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: unknown
X.Org version: 1.7.6
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (321x241 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
Core 0: 2019 MHz
# glxgears
421 frames in 5.0 seconds
413 frames in 5.0 seconds
417 frames in 5.0 seconds
443 frames in 5.0 seconds
429 frames in 5.0 seconds
414 frames in 5.0 seconds
400 frames in 5.0 seconds

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
Memory : 904MB (189MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed 22 Jun 2011 02:18:55 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2
Audio Adapter : MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART

Multimedia audio controller : Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 05)
VGA compatible controller : nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)
Ethernet controller : D-Link System Inc Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 11)
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 12:13    Post subject:  
Hi Pemasu,
I've recently switched from snow puppy 015 to Ice puppy 015
and I'm happy with it.
Flash performance is not so good on my Radeon M6 LY
Is there any way to install new drivers for my ati?
My card is not supported by catalyst, so I wanted to install the newest ati drivers to increase performance.
I've been trying to install xf86-video-ati-6.14.2 from this link
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/
but there are error messages during installation.

I can provide more details, but maybe there is some easier way instead of compiling new version?
regards
Andrew
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 12:28    Post subject: Next ICE Pups  
Seems STU90 updated UM. Will this be in the next round of ICE PUPs with PAE?
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 12:48    Post subject:  
Béèm wrote:
pemasu wrote:
Beem. Lucid 525 and Spup uses JWM 500 also, that I know. Hmm, it might be more than coincidence.
I did the test again in Lucid 5.2.5 and confirm I have the issue.
But my installation is the default one, so openbox/fbpanel. I don't use JWM in Lucid.

I did the test also in spup 1.2.0 to be sure.
Spup uses indeed JWM 500 as default.
But I don't have the issue in spup

In all cases, the graphics driver used is radeon.
What I could do next is to see if the radeon driver is the same in the (cold)puppy's, lucid and spup.

Still strange issue.
So I looked in the different distro for radeon and concentrated on the so and .ko files. There is more then that as firmware.
Following is the comparison:
Code:
sh-4.1# ls -l radeon*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1006204 2011-06-15 17:02 radeon_drv.so-ice_015
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1006204 2011-04-02 04:16 radeon_drv.so-lucid_525
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1002348 2011-05-11 13:21 radeon_drv.so-spup_120
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  852682 2011-06-14 19:21 radeon.ko-ice_015
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  636809 2010-05-27 03:27 radeon.ko-lucid_525
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  706501 2010-07-06 14:29 radeon.ko-spup_120
sh-4.1#
It looks the drv.so files of lucid and snow puppy are equal, but the spup one is different. A clue? Could I risk to use the spup one in icepup?

The .ko files are different.
Don't know it this is relevant for the issue.
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 12:50    Post subject:  
AndrewG. you need to install aka compile the latest ati driver yourself. Nobody so far hasnt made pet for ati proprietary driver yet.
If you tried some unworking version, it would be good idea to uninstall it first.

Installation guide to install latest ati proprietary driver:
You need devx sfs and kernel source sfs, kernel source sfs needs to be lupe26, it is for Ice Puppy-015. See the first page for downloads.
http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/IcePuppy-015/devx_lupu_015.sfs
http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/Kernel_sources/kernel_src-2.6.38.4-lupe26.sfs

Then you need to download latest ati installer package.
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

Fill your specs and download latest installation package. Place it for example to /mnt/home.
Make the download exucutable if it is not. Right click the download > Properties, click all Exec ticks to enabled.

Then exit to the prompt and run in /mnt/home
Code:
cd /mnt/home
sh ati-driver-installer-11-2-x86.x86_64.run



when it has finished enter "aticonfig --initial" and then "xwin" to
get back to the desktop.

The ati driver gets updated fairly often so at least this way you get latest version.

I guoted Billtoos words in above installation guide.

I think I will in future make a link to this

The Nvidia driver for my Acer desktop gets updated even more often and
I use the same method on it.[url][/url]
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun 2011, 12:56    Post subject:  
Gcmartin. I have downloaded Stu90`s latest and greatest Umplayer offering. I havent tested it though. I will take now a little slower updating cycle. The summer in Finland is really short.
Sure it will be in next Ice Puppy and Snow Puppy also.

Beem. It is as it should. Radeon_drv.so should be same in Lucid Puppies, Snow Puppies ans Ice Puppies because they all use same Ubuntu Lucid Xorg packages.

Spup use different set of xorg packages. Dont try that spup version. It wont work.

Radeon.ko is different in all versions because it is kernel module and kernels are different in all your mentioned distros.
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Jun 2011, 21:31    Post subject:  
Ice Puppy 014 live pfix=ram.Sound and internet good on initial boot.....display is 1600x1200 instead of 1440x900 but useable.

Sat 25 Jun 2011 Operating System: Ice Puppy-014 Linux 2.6.38
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 10c3 (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA product: GT218 Board - 08740005 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: vesa
X.Org version: 1.7.6
dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (423x318 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Core 0: 2693 1: 2693 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.

sh-4.1# glxgears
1796 frames in 5.0 seconds
1918 frames in 5.0 seconds
1914 frames in 5.0 seconds
1898 frames in 5.0 seconds
1914 frames in 5.0 seconds


-Computer-
Processor : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Memory : 4146MB (213MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sat 25 Jun 2011 08:40:28 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1600x1200 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia


# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 4146568 650264 3496304 0 73332
Swap: 4194300 0 4194300
Total: 8340868 650264 7690604
#
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