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Iguleder · Posted: Thu 02 Jun 2011, 15:47 Post subject:

01micko, I'm doing another fun Puppy experiment atm - I'm trying to replace glibc with an equivalent version of eglibc, with extra bug fixes, size optimization and lower memory footprint.

I use 5.2.5 as the base, but if the eglibc transplant works well I'll play with spup too.

wuwei · Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Posts: 739 Location: de

Just wondering why you are so concerned about the browser issue.

For me it just works to download the Firefox (or SM) tar.gz from the Mozilla site, unpack it to /mnt/home and drag the starter to the desktop.

Bang...it works.

It does so here in spup 121.02, in Lucid, in Wary, Quirky, 432 and even 214x. It even works when I change the /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser to start the browser from /mnt/home. Even the automatic updates are running through. Java and Flash need manual installation, though.

Is there anything I have overlooked or is this solution just too simple?

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4737 Location: Kentucky

Probably the most bang-for-the buck would be including Seamonkey on the default iso.Seems kind of important to have a working browser out of the box..... especially for those on dialup.

rcrsn51 · Posted: Thu 02 Jun 2011, 17:40 Post subject:

Bert · Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Posts: 694

I agree wuwei,

That's the best way to use a browser in Puppy.
Problem is -I think- the devs have to take into account all users and all situations. Running Puppy for the first time from cd, it must be able to go onto the internet, for example.

In my experience, downloading the latest browser from Mozilla, Opera or Google and installing it in /mnt/home results in a faster, more up to date and more secure browsing experience and a browser that keeps itself up-to-date.

Even Ubuntu has given up trying to build their own version of the browser, realizing the browser guys do a better job.
Over the years I've seen tremendous efforts here in Puppy Linux to build perfect puppy versions of a browser, only to discover these masterpieces became history three months later.

Maybe it's time to add something new: a fully automated version of DaveS's FoxyFun?

If we like it or not, the OS is becoming the back-end for the single most important communication and information sharing tool, the browser.

So maybe it's time to think outside the box. (Is the save-file a box ? Wink

)

I'm writing this with the best of intentions, not at all wanting to attack the people responsible for the current Puppy reality. Au contraire, mes amis Smile

Béèm · Posted: Thu 02 Jun 2011, 19:10 Post subject:

wuwei · Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Posts: 739 Location: de

Béèm wrote:

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4737 Location: Kentucky

Don't think I reported it so, frugal install of 121.02 on the old P3 test box. Everything working well on initial boot.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Slacko Puppy, version 121.02

Chip description:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: "" Depth: Depth 24

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

-Computer-
Processor : Pentium III (Coppermine)
Memory : 254MB (109MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 03 Jun 2011 02:46:28 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH

-Version-
Kernel : Linux 2.6.35 (i686)
Compiled : #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 26 19:41:02 EST 2011
C Library : GNU C Library version 2.13 (stable)
Default C Compiler : Unknown
Distribution : Unknown distribution

# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 254104 241276 12828 0 36400
Swap: 1020092 80 1020012
Total: 1274196 241356 1032840
#

Billtoo · Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1494 Location: Ontario Canada

I took my frugal install from yesterday and after adding a few
programs and the kde from puppy package manager I ran the remaster
script and it created a 763mb iso which I burned to a dvd.
I booted it up on my hp and the only thing that is missing is the
wallpaper, everything else works.
Fri 3 Jun 2011 Operating System: Slacko Puppy-121.01 Linux 2.6.37.6
0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS product: RV530 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.9.2

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500
Core 0: 1200 1: 1200 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.
# glxgears
1657 frames in 5.0 seconds = 331.319 FPS
2033 frames in 5.0 seconds = 406.549 FPS
2018 frames in 5.0 seconds = 403.452 FPS

@01micko, this is an amazing OS Smile

playdayz · Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 3705

Wow!!!
The tested Seamonkey 2.0.14 is the default in Spup 120 a3. The tested Seamonkey 2.1 is compiled for i686 and -O3. Spup is all i686 so that is OK I think. The -O3 might have been overridden by -Os, which optimizes for smallest size, in some or all cases. It was compiled in lucid 5.2.5 and I am next going to compile in spup. But the results were so amazing I couldn't wait to share Wink

The difference was very apparent while the tests were running. Seamonkey 2.1 is actually as fast as Firefox 4.0.1 optimized for my specific cpu! This is not criticism of spup of course, but it looks like the seamonkey devs have been emphasizing speed--with 2.1 there is no need to apologize for seamonkey being slow.

The generic version of 2.1rc1 from mozilla should only be about 5-8% slower than this optimized version. It is the full version--I made no attempt to cut down the size. The one compiled on Lucid seems slightly faster. Configure has a lot of options--but I did the simplest

xfce4Fan · Posted: Fri 03 Jun 2011, 14:12 Post subject:

I try on Dell 1710, T5900, GM965 no Networks Lan>Realtek RTL8168/8111,
Wlan>Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG ..

what can I do ? Confused

Iguleder · Posted: Sat 04 Jun 2011, 00:52 Post subject:

Working on something on the spup front - a script that generates a kernel build script. Sort of a next-gen kernel build script.

This one is smarter - it also patches the kernel to make a Puppy logo appear if you have a framebuffer console, which is pretty neat.

Lobster · Posted: Sat 04 Jun 2011, 02:31 Post subject:

nancy reagan · Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 435