Users and Developers - Symbiotic Relationship

[jonyo]

and to be honest I had no idea you were the type ..back in the day

I had great respect for you as a noob

i dropped out shortly after your wonders with 2.15 and just glanced at the mess that came after

and no wonder

back then, the take it or leave it was bigger than just you

[puppyluvr]

Hello,
I do not EVER presume to speak for Puppy...
Do you presume to speak for the Puppy user base???
For the thousands of users, some of whom, every day, post how great Puppy is and how helpful its Members are???

To clarify without metaphor....

If you cannot develop, be grateful for those who do, for nothing...
Appreciate the product, or learn how to make it how you want it...
Im not being rude, or mean...just realistic...
Do you complain if a gift isnt what you wanted???
Not how I was raised....
Do you let your kids "demand"??
Pisses me off, so they really wont get it then...
What ever happened to appreciation.......

And only John Murga can make me "get lost"....
I`ve pissed off better foes than thou...
I`m still here....

@Edit....I dont necessarily disagree with your ideas / desires...
Just the delivery.....

[jonyo]

no i can make you get lost

i can chose to be involved with you or ignore you

or go with someone else to my liking to whatever degree i chose

i already spoke on who i speak for

[RetroTechGuy]

We still don't have a contract with these devs, and they really owe us nothing.

devs that expect nothing can expect the same in return or whatever it is that they put out

This does not logically follow.

If I read your statement, you wish to imply that if the devs expect no feedback, that their tools/product will not be used. Clearly false. A good tool will be used regardless of whether feedback is expected, requested, or ignored.

Similarly, a poor tool/product won't be used, regardless of how much feedback is requested, addressed, or whatnot.

[puppyluvr]

Hello,
Sorry, missed that one...
Pray tell...
WhoDo you speak for????

[RetroTechGuy]

Kello,
Please clarify, as the only post by Aitch I find in this thread, is a link....

Please assemble the complaints in one post...
I truly do not see the "lack of cooperation" mentioned...

I'm afraid that lots of people ignore what Aitch has to say.

And the "Beggars cant be choosers" quote, attributed to some "From on high" or some such nonsense was R.TG., who, as I recall, is a USER, and not a developer...

That is correct. I as a USER say "beggars can't be choosers".

The devs here are great, and as always, I thank them for all of their hard work.

[jonyo]

puppyluvr i have a voice here like anyone else

[RetroTechGuy]

[quote="WhoDo"][quote="puppyite"]The line was drawn when average users were described as “beggars

[jonyo]

figures you're the troublemaker

[RetroTechGuy]

I assure you, I`m not being "dim"...
Read the "Official Lupu 5.25" thread....
Tell me Playdayz didnt bend over backwards...

Oh really, then why hasn't this been answered.

Because it's ill-mannered and insulting! Playdayz was the project coordinator! He made ALL of the decisions on policy, direction and inclusions. Yes, Mick was the lead developer. He did a great job! Playdayz was the driver - ultimate arbiter or dictator if you prefer - and he DID take on board each and every suggestion. Some people just cannot accept that NO is also an answer!!!

And I am using one of Playdayz fine products right now (5.20). My thanks to Playdayz and his fine team!

And, WhoDo, I liked 4.21 as well (and I liked 4.12 also, and I liked 4.3.1 also...) -- so thanks to all of you as well...

[RetroTechGuy]

figures you're the troublemaker

Of course, I've made a career of being a troublemaker...

[jonyo]

i ain't begging anyone AND as a user have expectations

hopefully i like what i see and actively participate

[RetroTechGuy]

Go on, I double-dog dare ya!!!!!

You are juvenile aren't you?

Projecting again?...

[jonyo]

I'm afraid that lots of people ignore what Aitch has to say.

well i happen to think that not only has he contributed a TON of selfless work but what he has to say IS important

and he is not the only one

i mean he speaks on a serious issue does he not?

[jonyo]

If I read your statement, you wish to imply that if the devs expect no feedback, that their tools/product will not be used. Clearly false. A good tool will be used regardless of whether feedback is expected, requested, or ignored.

a dev that doesn't INVITE feedback is in lala land

it was an impediment for BK where he has lamented in the past that there was not enuff

[puppyluvr]

Hello,

hopefully i like what i see and actively participate

Hopefully...

puppyluvr i have a voice here like anyone else

Agreed, and I would never want to stifle it..

This thread just smacks of unappreciation, and that bugs me...
My gratitude for the free, fun and safe..(4 years no virus/hack/intrusion) OS I use... Plus I have learned so much from the helpful "Royalty" here....
It aint perfect...but it sure beats the alternative....

[RetroTechGuy]

If I read your statement, you wish to imply that if the devs expect no feedback, that their tools/product will not be used. Clearly false. A good tool will be used regardless of whether feedback is expected, requested, or ignored.

a dev that doesn't INVITE feedback is in lala land

Perhaps, but that in no way assures that his product will be low quality, or end up as unused tool... Most tools are complicated enough that feedback help develop a good product. But one cannot guess that before it is done.

[jonyo]

it was an impediment for BK where he has lamented in the past that there was not enuff

you get a good tool with TONS of feedback

and whether you like it or not there WILL BE TONS MORE when released

http://puppylinux.com/development/proje ... quote]Note, even I have a problem with getting feedback. I have often submitted something for testing and hardly anyone does. So if even I have that problem, don't feel bad if you do!

Concerning release schedules. I will usually release an alpha and/or beta before the final release. Usually though I am frustrated by a very limited number of people testing the alphas and betas, so I have to release the final so that more bugs get found. Fortunately bugs in the final release are usually minor. For example, I released v2.16, then some small bugs were found, so shortly afterward I released 2.16.1.[/quote]

[jonyo]

If you cannot develop, be grateful for those who do, for nothing...
Appreciate the product, or learn how to make it how you want it...
Im not being rude, or mean...just realistic...

here's some reality show me the goods and it better be good

and that's just to start

[jonyo]

and talk about lala land

. . . .Ho hum. Ho hum. It was fun deja vuing this thread but it's become so boring now. Scunny Rob was at least creative in his ideas, even if he had no intention of ever lifting a finger to help implement them on a practical level. *sigh* The quality of dissenters around here has definitely declined.

Right on! Too bad those like jonyo only criticize and do nothing to help, only berate those like WhoDo who have really made a difference with positive contributions.