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jonyo

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PostPosted: Tue 17 May 2011, 19:40    Post subject:  

puppyluvr wrote:
Very Happy Hello,
I for one, intend to continue to dev for Lupu...
As much as I dont like Ubuntu, its their mindset, not their repos...those I love..
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PostPosted: Tue 17 May 2011, 20:43    Post subject:  

Q5sys wrote:

The best you and I can do, is voice our opinions and hope they are heeded.
and HOW that voice or opinion is expressed alone can make or break regardless of merit
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ilanrab


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PostPosted: Tue 17 May 2011, 21:34    Post subject: Slackware based puppy
Subject description: Slackware packages availability
 

jonyo wrote:
...and HOW that voice or opinion...

Speaking of voice and opinion. I would appreciate some feedback on Slackware packages availability.

Please take a look at http://www.linuxpackages.net and find out which of your favorite applications, utilities, or drivers are still supported in package form. If your favorite packages are not available for version 13 of Slackware, that's an issue to be taken into account.

Please do a quick search, for your packages, and get back to us with your results. Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 May 2011, 21:59    Post subject: Re: Slackware based puppy
Subject description: Slackware packages availability
 

ilanrab wrote:
jonyo wrote:
...and HOW that voice or opinion...

Speaking of voice and opinion. I would appreciate some feedback on Slackware packages availability.

Please take a look at http://www.linuxpackages.net and find out which of your favorite applications, utilities, or drivers are still supported in package form. If your favorite packages are not available for version 13 of Slackware, that's an issue to be taken into account.

Please do a quick search, for your packages, and get back to us with your results. Thanks in advance.



Slackware also uses a build system where users can submit build scripts for others who wish to compile certain software on their computers. As a repository Slackware has less packages available than say Arch Linux. I've considered making an Arch version of Puppy but I think its WAY beyond my skill level.

And of course we do have a requests section here. If there is a piece of software that you want that you cant find... make a post about it and perhaps someone here will help you with it. I've gotten help that way from others here. Thats one of the best parts of the puppy community Smile
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p310don

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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 02:00    Post subject:  

I wrote a big thread separate to this one, but could probably belong in this thread. It is here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67974

Having just read through the ten pages in this thread (slow work day), I think some of my suggestions have been covered.

For what its worth (probably nothing) I agree with some that if the base of puppy is going to change, the first number should also.
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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 09:35    Post subject:  

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For what its worth (probably nothing) I agree with some that if the base of puppy is going to change, the first number should also.

I agree. The 5.x number series should be specifically reserved for Lucid (based on Ubuntu packages). The powers that be however are stone cold deaf on this point.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 09:46    Post subject:  

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I agree. The 5.x number series should be specifically reserved for Lucid (based on Ubuntu packages). The powers that be however are stone cold deaf on this point.


Puppyite, I agree with you, but I see you getting frustrated over this issue and many others with regard to "the royalty". Try not to let it get to you.

As users, you and I have a great deal to offer as suggestions for improvements in puppy, as well as testing in future. Those guys and girls who make puppy do it for free, in their free time, so don't get too harsh. I do hope they can take the time to look at USER'S suggestions and take them into account.

Ultimately it is up to those that DO things to make up their minds as to what goes into a puppy, and what it gets named and or numbered. So long as in the end we have another great puppy, isn't that all that matters?
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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 10:01    Post subject:  

Those outside of this forum are already confused enough about what Puppy Linux is. Switching from Ubuntu to Slackware without changing the number will only add to that confusion. YMMV
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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 10:31    Post subject:  

I might get confused sometimes but it takes a little depth of searching that i find puppy linux and the community itself a lot of fun. By just lurking and reading this forum makes me satisfied of how this powerful little linux distro can offer. Have fun and let the devs spend their precious time just for fun. As a user, I would rather say thank you thank you and thank you to all the people here including puppies Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 12:03    Post subject:  

puppyite wrote:
p310don wrote:
For what its worth (probably nothing) I agree with some that if the base of puppy is going to change, the first number should also.

I agree. The 5.x number series should be specifically reserved for Lucid (based on Ubuntu packages). The powers that be however are stone cold deaf on this point.


Why?

IIRC, the Beta versions for 5.x were started as something like 4.5x, then when testing completely, it became a release as 5.0. This is consistent with that past recipe.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 12:15    Post subject:  

Q5sys wrote:
As for your comments about democracy. Where are you getting that idea? A *nix distro is NEVER a democracy. It's always led by a small group of people who make the decisions. Thats why there are different distros... different methodologies for different people.


And, in fact, they tend to be a state of anarchy (anarchy simply being a condition of co-existence without government). Shifting interests, and individual "fun" determines what the various devs work on. The poor "point man" then tries to herd the cats on his/her team, until the new version passes muster as a Beta, and then onto a final release... Then come the unenviable patches and fixes for all the things that were missed during Beta...

IMO, a democracy would just crash the system, which currently works...

But being an anarchy, there is nothing to stop someone from starting their own democracy based distro. Feel free to do so. One should note that the "president" of such an organization would not necessarily need to be an expert, just able to coerce work, code and patches from the team members (whether it be bribes of beer, awards, kudos, or cash...).

I hereby nominate Puppyite to be president of the new Puppy project: Puppyite 1.0. Is there a second?

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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 12:17    Post subject:  

I am more worried about the notion that Lucid Puppy is compatible with the Ubuntu repo.

I doubt it is. Does it not require that somebody knowing much about puppy has to check on dependencies and to find and compile them if they are missing.

So compatible is confusing but I've seen that word using google.


That there is so many to chose from can be confusing but if one visit Barry's blog then one get that he decide what is official Puppy.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 12:21    Post subject:  

RetroTechGuy wrote:
I hereby nominate Puppyite to be president of the new Puppy project: Puppyite 1.0. Is there a second?


Stop right there, you’ve mouthed off quite enough. My interest in Puppy Linux does not include any desire to be in charge of anything.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 12:32    Post subject:  

puppyite wrote:
I use the term Royalty to illustrate how (some) decisions are made and that generally speaking decisions about Puppy Linux are not made democratically (or if they are they do not include peasants, a.k.a. average users, such as myself). That constitutes the entire intent of my use of the word Royalty.


You know what, I don't like democracy. Democracies are evil. Have you ever heard this before?

Guess which Founding Father wrote:
Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.


I look at the jokers that are democratically elected to represent us here is the US. You would have me believe that these same sorts of people who voted them in, should have an equal say in a technical field, such as a Puppy Linux distro.

Maybe we should let them vote on the Law of Gravity -- "Hey gravity, we have voted you out of existence, so stop it!!".

Or vote on "taxing the rich" -- "Hey you rich guys, it isn't fair that you don't give us your stuff -- because we're a mob and outnumber you". Hell, as long as we're at it, we'll let that same mob vote on whether it was RAPE or if it was "Consensual Sex" when they take your daughter out to the woods for some "Fun"... Yeah, that's democracy for you...

And lets have a group of random people chosen from the street decide how to build our next nuclear reactor... "I think the walls should be painted pink..."

I don't want a distro being driven but people who don't understand the subject at great depth (and yes, that includes me -- I'm often a "power user", but nowhere near the caliber needed to be a distro author...)

I very much appreciate out devs and authors, who volunteer their expertise, to produce these distros for our enjoyment! Ladies and gentlemen, thank you!

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PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 12:33    Post subject:  

puppyite wrote:
Telling me to “dev” is a cliché intended to muzzle an average user such as myself who has no such skills.


Learn some skills, and become a dev...

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