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Béèm


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 19:29    Post_subject:  

Did a FRUGAL install and activated my application/setup environment.
Apart that all of a sudden my save file went to 0MB in seconds (solved the issue) all is working well up to now.

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myke


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 21:16    Post_subject: The fan  

The good news is that keucr.ko is indeed present and so the SDHC card is shown as a drive (i.e., ENE Tech card reader is present).

The bad news is that for me like for nooby the fan is not working and so I won't be able to migrate to Ice Puppy until a workaround/fix can be found. I tried by downloading and trying to load vattery but couldn't get it to run.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 03:27    Post_subject:  

myke, nooby
hmmm you have both Acer PC's.
A flaw there?

But did you run HardInfo and did you look at the sensors?
How is the temperature?

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pemasu


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 03:28    Post_subject:  

Acerhdf is Acer Aspire One fan control module. It wasnt compiled in. I couldnt find it when I compiled the kernel. But there is somewhere the option. I can find sources to compile it. Just need more searching.
The laptop support is quite separated and is not easy to find all the support for different platforms.

Edit. I found the reason. Thermal support does not work. I have missed some dependent module or enabled option. When acpi thermal information is not enabled, the acerhdf option is not found.
That is my conclusion right now with help of Iguleder in irc.
Let`s see. I will start new compiling session.

Thank you nooby and myke of your findings. If anyone has found something else amiss, it is good time to report it now. Before I have made new Ice Puppy build.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 07:19    Post_subject:  

New woof downloaded. Announced today and kernel also recompiled. I will make first test build with Ice Puppy so that I can test both new woof and new kernel compile.

I found the missing option with thermal monitoring. I got the option to include acerhdf also and it will be build as module also.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 08:19    Post_subject:  

Ahh cool that it helped to report. Sometimes I don't trust my own reporting. Bruce noticed how confusing my brain can be so I need to be careful that I don't mislead the Devs due to me too clumsy but this one was a miss of not including such needed things. Good that you found out and thanks to Iguleder. Hahaha be happu that I am not pesting your IRC thing! I should stay away from such fast medium.

Thanks pemasu. Finnish Sisu indeed. Smile Swedes are such cry babies.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 08:25    Post_subject:  

Nooby. Some other ppl just using and doing his basic things and reporting nonworking functions is best feedback you can get.
Of course everybody likes if someone praises them.
But finnish mens usually dont give much credit to it.
Just working is what we are usually after.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 09:51    Post_subject: acerfand  

pemasu, sorry that I forgot to mention making it a practice of installing acerfand in the Startup folder and it hadn't helped. I see though you had figured it out anyway. Thank you for your efforts to get Ice Puppy to work on the AAO. I like the speed and functionality of Ice Puppy.

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 11:08    Post_subject:  

Awaiting the new upload to start testing it.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 17:26    Post_subject:  

Problems. In kernel specs proc/acpi, proc directories and proc/event are classified as deprecated. Puppys acpid rely heavily on them.
Battery and ac adapter info works but i havent found a way to get thermal info working. I dont know how much it affects to funcionality. I got missing hardware monitoring options enabled, also acerfhdf.
But you dont get thermal information through acpitool

I dont know the solution yet. Anyway in kernel 2.6.39 proc/acpi all three options will be removed. That means quite a challenge.

Well, this is highly experimental adventure. Something like this was expected.
I will make another test build and then I focus to the Snow Puppy.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 17:42    Post_subject:  

For what it's worth, both Snow Puppy and Ice Puppy are working fine on my collection of desktops. No real difficulties at all.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 18:32    Post_subject:  

Pemasu, almost none of the many puppies that I have tested really give the real temperature as I get it. Many just say 27degr Celsius and report that Fan is on.

The to me alarm thing was that Ice reported 0 degr Celsius and No Fan On.

Can I trust that these small Netbooks have two fans? One for the overall termperature and one for the CPU in case it get over 50 or something?

Maybe one way to find out is to find somebody who knows if there is some way to force the fan to start.

I am in Snow5 now and the out door Digital Temperature gadget says that the air coming out of the hole in the side of it is 36 degr C.

And that is what I could expect if the fan is going but not reported.
But as I remember when I did test it it stayed the room temperature and I could hear no sound from it.

When one boot before the TOPS? has get everything under its control then one hear how the Fan sound when it is full speed. Whining indeed. Then it settle to a steady controlled speed and then it goes silent and only start when one play a video or visit a Flash site.

So I could place a Microphone or something there so I can hear it Smile

No hurry for my sake but you should warn that some small Netbooks maybe fail to get fan going? So no Newbie is too optimistic and think that every iso works for all computers.

What is the standard words for it.

Known issues. May fail to get fan going on Acer D250 and similar Netbooks.

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Apr 2011, 07:30    Post_subject:  

pemasu running ice puppy live ATM and all seems quite good.

I noticed that there is an icon for email but no email application as mozmail doesn't seem to be installed.

I had some trouble connecting the internet with wifi using SNS. I'm not sure if it was frizbee or network wizard that eventually worked but I'm online now.

You have a great collection of software included of which many are my favourites. The icons sets are pretty impressive too.

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Apr 2011, 09:29    Post_subject:  

Yes. I have removed the email applications totally. Email icon comes from the package, and i havent removed it if ppl want to set it to work with email application they prefer.
I think that everybody has his/her favourite email program or use gmail with browser or separately installed application from /mnt/home for all puppies. That is why I dont install email application at all.
It takes space and Snow Puppy / Ice Puppy is quite fat already.

People can install the email application they want. Or not...

Frisbee is the main connecting application. SNS comes for people who are not accustomed to use Frisbee. Frisbee handles wired eth0 and wireless connections both.
To have them all can cause issues, I know that, but not having SNS or old network wizard also rises issues, I have noticed that too. Oh well....
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Apr 2011, 09:44    Post_subject:  

I wasn't used to frisbee so on the next boot I just clicked on the wireless icon in the tray and it worked fine.

Browsers or email clients are personal choices. I just thought it odd that you included the firefox browser but no email.

My personal choice is seamonkey because it's well integrated with browser, email and html editor.

It's your distro so you get to make the choices.

Good job.

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