Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Forum Index Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com
"THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The time now is Wed 19 Jun 2013, 10:04
All times are UTC - 4

 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Puppy Projects
The Official Release of Lucid 5.25 (Lucid Five Twenty-Five)
Moderators: Flash, JohnMurga
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
Page 91 of 129 [1925 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, ..., 127, 128, 129 Next
Author Message
maik.murks


Joined: 28 Mar 2011
Posts: 331
Location: at home, at work or on holidays
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 17:40    Post subject:  
Hi charlie6,

I don't have any idea what has happened to your puppy, that the only background you can see after booting is the standard background of your puppy.
But perhaps I have an idea how you can solve your problem - in a quick but dirty way.

The name of the standard background of your puppy should be 'default.jpg' and it should reside in '/usr/share/backgrounds'.
And for example the name of your favorite background picture that you want to see after booting is 'superduper.jpg'.

Then the quick and dirty solution in three small steps is the following:

First step: Copy 'superduper.jpg' to '/usr/share/backgrounds/default.jpg'.
Second step: Reboot your puppy.
Third step: Enjoy it.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
ASRI éducation


Joined: 09 May 2009
Posts: 1516
Location: France
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 17:42    Post subject: Re: Xorg-High 1.1  
Béèm wrote:
Xor-High 1.1 pet...I had the idea to transform the pet in a sfs.... this did work.

Great idea !
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
ASRI éducation


Joined: 09 May 2009
Posts: 1516
Location: France
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 17:59    Post subject:  
maik.murks wrote:
Copy 'superduper.jpg' to '/usr/share/backgrounds/default.jpg'...Second step: Reboot your puppy.

/usr/share/backgrounds_original/ORIGINAL-default.jpg
Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
RandSec

Joined: 10 Aug 2009
Posts: 81
Location: Austin, Texas
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 18:07    Post subject: Re: Problems when creating SAVE-SESSION on multi-session"LiveCD"
Subject description: LiveDVD		  
gcmartin wrote:
Copied from another forum wrote:
BTW: When the next update to Fatdog comes, is it possible to include dvd+rw tools http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~pcs/apps/linux_dvdr_burning.html AND a GUI or a simple Utility Menu entry that will run a script to FORMAT a DVD+RW instead of BLANKING it? I seem to be having a lot of problems with DVD+RW's in Puppy these days (and have already installed Zigbert's latest Pburn / Pmusic.
Yeah. I don't know how many others of us members have noticed that burning Multi-session CDs/DVDs are running into problems when completing a save-session at shutdown and then trying to reboot that LiveDVD, again.

After looking at that LiveCD on another system, all the files that one should expect are still there, but the "Live" media does NOT BOOT! By this I mean that if you burn the ISO, those files AND the save session file are on the "Live" media. But, the systems pause momentarily in POST searching for media in the drive, then moves to the next device in the boot order.

If someone could offer some suggestions of how to trap this for resolution, it would help enormously.

Thanks in advance for insights into resolving this phenomenon.
P.S. I have hit this problem on 2 PCs with CDRWs and 1 laptop with a DVDRW using PUP55.2.2. Did something change in the kernel for CD/DVD RW support?

Code:
Scenarion: Steps followed in "Live" media failures

download and checksum PUP5.2 iso
Pburn ISO to the older Live media
   Pburn requests to Blank media...OK
   Pburn request Multi-session or Closed...Multi-session, OK   
   Pburn complete "sucessfully"
Boot PUP5.2 Live media on a PC with CDRW or DVDRW device
At desktop, tailor the system
Test several "most used" desktop applications (for example editors)
Instruct system to reboot
   System switches to text mode screens
   Select "Save to CD"
   Select OK after sucessful completion message and drawer opens
Hit Enter to reboot
Boot fails on this PC and ANY other PC available.

These steps were repeated on 3 different PCs with the same results.

I use LiveDVD exclusively, on DVD+RW, mostly successfully. But I just got into Puppy at version 4 and went through a lot of trial and error getting things to work. At first just assumed I was doing something wrong and could never find instructions, then that the system had problems and would be improved, but that never happened. So I tried things until I got it to work well enough to meet my needs.

One of the issues I found was that my DVD drive needed to be ready before I clicked to start a Verify operation. In general, the DVD needed to be set up and ready before a write as well. I learned to avoid the problem issues, and do not recall them biting me recently.

My goal is security, so I depend upon the LiveDVD form and also need the saved browser updates which only Puppy provides. But few here care about security or the LiveDVD form, which is sad, because a Puppy LiveDVD actually can beat Microsoft Windows (booting from an infectable hard drive) head-to-head when it comes to online banking security.

From 431, I learned to say NO to the automatic request to save at the end of session (except for the first session, of course). After the first session, the Save button is available, and that almost always works for me. When a saved-to DVD boots up it says that X was shut down improperly, so I click Ignore, and everything works fine.

I am, at this moment, using 525 from LiveDVD+RW, without any hard drive, with Firefox 3.6.16 (because some security add-ons were not available for 4.0). It seems very, very stable. I have been editing web pages in the RAM file system and saving the intermediate versions as Gmail attachments when I shut down. I have no problems with multiple saved sessions on DVD.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
MinHundHettePerro


Joined: 05 Feb 2009
Posts: 833
Location: SE
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 18:43    Post subject: Re: Problems when creating SAVE-SESSION on multi-session"LiveCD"
Subject description: LiveDVD		  
RandSec wrote:
I use LiveDVD exclusively, on DVD+RW, mostly successfully. But I just got into Puppy at version 4 and went through a lot of trial and error getting things to work. At first just assumed I was doing something wrong and could never find instructions, then that the system had problems and would be improved, but that never happened. So I tried things until I got it to work well enough to meet my needs.

One of the issues I found was that my DVD drive needed to be ready before I clicked to start a Verify operation. In general, the DVD needed to be set up and ready before a write as well. I learned to avoid the problem issues, and do not recall them biting me recently.

My goal is security, so I depend upon the LiveDVD form and also need the saved browser updates which only Puppy provides. But few here care about security or the LiveDVD form, which is sad, because a Puppy LiveDVD actually can beat Microsoft Windows (booting from an infectable hard drive) head-to-head when it comes to online banking security.

From 431, I learned to say NO to the automatic request to save at the end of session (except for the first session, of course). After the first session, the Save button is available, and that almost always works for me. When a saved-to DVD boots up it says that X was shut down improperly, so I click Ignore, and everything works fine.

I am, at this moment, using 525 from LiveDVD+RW, without any hard drive, with Firefox 3.6.16 (because some security add-ons were not available for 4.0). It seems very, very stable. I have been editing web pages in the RAM file system and saving the intermediate versions as Gmail attachments when I shut down. I have no problems with multiple saved sessions on DVD.
Hello Smile!
Excuse me, I'm just an ignorant puppyian of the unwashed masses Embarassed.

I've followed your posts on security in this forum for some time now and wonder if you could enlighten me, stupid puppyian, as to how storing work as gmail attachments (!) would be more secure than storing it on your own hard-/flash-/optical-drive? Or, is perhaps your largest security worries concerning operators in your immediate vicinity? Where does the need for storing through google-mail (!) come from, I'm curious.

Sorry, for asking, I'm just a dumb and ignorant Swede, but, I would very much want to learn from your reasoning here Embarassed (and, being a daft puppyian, I apologise if I've missed some obvious keypoints here Embarassed).

Cheers Smile/
MHHP
_________________
Celeron 2.8 GHz, 1 GiB RAM, i82845 graphics, many partitions, Pupmode 12 (13)
Mostly running Slacko & 214X
Nämen, vaf.... ln -s /dev/null MHHP
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
gcmartin

Joined: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 2691
Location: Earth
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 18:58    Post subject: Using LiveCD/LiveDVD II  
@RandSec, thanks for your follow-up. I have always run ALL PUPs in "Live" mode (no matter if in test=regular reboots or for production=seldom reboot/year. And, yes, security is tantamount in their use. "Live" mode has been flawless until latest release where I'm experiencing reboot issues after session-save..

Wanted to share another anomaly with the community: When I save a "Live" session onto CD/DVD, it won't reboot on my 32bit PC/laptop. But, it does reboot on my 64 bit test system. This is odd....very odd....I trying to zero in on this oddity????

Restating the Live media booting problem:
  • System boots after ISO burned to multi-session CD/DVD.
  • But, after session is saved to CD/DVD, system does NOT recognize the media in the reader as bootable.
Any helpful ideas for additional problem information capture, or for resolution, would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
_________________
Get ACTIVE; Create Circles; Do those good things which benefit the people's needs!
We are all related ... Its time to show that we know this!
Google's Puppy Search Engine
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
RandSec

Joined: 10 Aug 2009
Posts: 81
Location: Austin, Texas
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 19:33    Post subject: Re: Problems when creating SAVE-SESSION on multi-session"LiveCD"
Subject description: LiveDVD		  
MinHundHettePerro wrote:
RandSec wrote:
I use LiveDVD exclusively, on DVD+RW, mostly successfully. But I just got into Puppy at version 4 and went through a lot of trial and error getting things to work. At first just assumed I was doing something wrong and could never find instructions, then that the system had problems and would be improved, but that never happened. So I tried things until I got it to work well enough to meet my needs.

One of the issues I found was that my DVD drive needed to be ready before I clicked to start a Verify operation. In general, the DVD needed to be set up and ready before a write as well. I learned to avoid the problem issues, and do not recall them biting me recently.

My goal is security, so I depend upon the LiveDVD form and also need the saved browser updates which only Puppy provides. But few here care about security or the LiveDVD form, which is sad, because a Puppy LiveDVD actually can beat Microsoft Windows (booting from an infectable hard drive) head-to-head when it comes to online banking security.

From 431, I learned to say NO to the automatic request to save at the end of session (except for the first session, of course). After the first session, the Save button is available, and that almost always works for me. When a saved-to DVD boots up it says that X was shut down improperly, so I click Ignore, and everything works fine.

I am, at this moment, using 525 from LiveDVD+RW, without any hard drive, with Firefox 3.6.16 (because some security add-ons were not available for 4.0). It seems very, very stable. I have been editing web pages in the RAM file system and saving the intermediate versions as Gmail attachments when I shut down. I have no problems with multiple saved sessions on DVD.
Hello :)!
Excuse me, I'm just an ignorant puppyian of the unwashed masses :oops:.

I've followed your posts on security in this forum for some time now and wonder if you could enlighten me, stupid puppyian, as to how storing work as gmail attachments (!) would be more secure than storing it on your own hard-/flash-/optical-drive? Or, is perhaps your largest security worries concerning operators in your immediate vicinity? Where does the need for storing through google-mail (!) come from, I'm curious.

Sorry, for asking, I'm just a dumb and ignorant Swede, but, I would very much want to learn from your reasoning here :oops: (and, being a daft puppyian, I apologise if I've missed some obvious keypoints here :oops:).

Cheers :)/
MHHP

There is no perfect security, so in practice there are always tradeoffs.

The main security advantage of Puppy is that it is not Microsoft Windows. Over 99 percent of malware is designed for Windows and will not run elsewhere, so Linux people should be at least 100x safer against random attack. That, however, depends on the attacker doing what would seem to be in his and our best interest, and he may decide differently. Any OS is vulnerable if the attacker works at it.

The next level of security is to have a LiveDVD, with the goal being to start out clean on every session. Malware still might get in, but if it does, and runs, that will end as the session ends. It will be from very difficult to impossible for malware to infect the DVD. In contrast, it is relatively trivial to infect a boot hard drive or flash drive. Obviously, if we could remove a boot flash drive after it had booted, which Puppy now insists should not be done, we might consider that option.

When you actually use a LiveDVD, as I do, things are a little different than one might predict at the outset. Many Linux distributions have LiveDVD forms, but only Puppy allows updating the DVD. This has both positive and negative security implications:

* Positively, Puppy allows updating the browser which is our main front-end protection against malware.

* Negatively, malware could get stored with the rest of the system.

To manage the risk, when I decide to update, I reboot, bring up Firefox, get the update, and click Save. This minimizes both the time-window and the pages in which malware could be collected prior to saving. And since bringing up the system from .ISO takes just a couple of hours (mostly to download add-ons and configure options and sizing for each page), it is "easy" to start anew with a strong security guarantee.

When working in a diskless environment, saving work is always an issue. One possibility is just to Save to DVD after each session. But in my experience, DVD Save operations sometimes fail, and then we have real trouble. Hopefully we were prudent enough to have made a duplicate of the current system.

We can duplicate the current system by Saving to a DVD which has only the original .ISO on it. Of course we can make that DVD just before doing the Save, if desired. The result should be a duplicate of the current system on another DVD.

The file save alternative I mentioned in the earlier post was to take the .html file on which I have been working and send it off as an email attachment to myself. Gmail is particularly good about keeping SSL live forever, so sending stuff keeps it secure from nosies in the neighborhood (not that it matters much in this case). Then I shut down (without a hard drive I just cut the power). The next day, I just download the attachment, again in SSL, into the working directory and start off. Probably I should also keep a copy on a USB flash drive.

So my goal, here, is security against malware, not necessarily security against government peeking, which is probably hopeless to try to stop anyway, if they get really interested. I hope that has answered your question.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
RandSec

Joined: 10 Aug 2009
Posts: 81
Location: Austin, Texas
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 19:45    Post subject: Re: Using LiveCD/LiveDVD II  
gcmartin wrote:
@RandSec, thanks for your follow-up. I have always run ALL PUPs in "Live" mode (no matter if in test=regular reboots or for production=seldom reboot/year. And, yes, security is tantamount in their use. "Live" mode has been flawless until latest release where I'm experiencing reboot issues after session-save..

Wanted to share another anomaly with the community: When I save a "Live" session onto CD/DVD, it won't reboot on my 32bit PC/laptop. But, it does reboot on my 64 bit test system. This is odd....very odd....I trying to zero in on this oddity????

Restating the Live media booting problem:
  • System boots after ISO burned to multi-session CD/DVD.
  • But, after session is saved to CD/DVD, system does NOT recognize the media in the reader as bootable.
Any helpful ideas for additional problem information capture, or for resolution, would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

I do not know what to tell you. Your experience is not what I see on my equipment, including my laptop. So my best guess is that something is different. I suggest re-checking your .ISO hash, or download again and check that, and try again. Another possibility is some sort of hardware problem, or disc problem, because 525 is working well for me. At least it does after I get around the long-term LiveDVD issues.

Nor do I know about the 64-bit issue. Presumably my hardware should work with 64-bit code, but I did not know Puppy could do that. Since I work only in RAM, I have lots of RAM, and it is irritating to lose part of it to the 32-bit architecture.

Good Luck!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
MinHundHettePerro


Joined: 05 Feb 2009
Posts: 833
Location: SE
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 20:04    Post subject:  
Thank you, RandSec, for elaborating Cool.

I think I'll just rest my case, digress, and reach out, fumbling, for my tin-foil hat ........... (thicker or thinner than yours, I could never guess, but, my tin-foil layered goggles are, at least, spelt with a single "o" Embarassed Wink).

I sincerely wish you a safe computing experience, and may the bad guys never, even attempt to, malignify your ware.......

All the best, wishes MHHP, the malware-daring, google-paranoid, puppyian of the north.

It's very late here, so Good night, sleep well, don't let the malware bite Smile/
MHHP
_________________
Celeron 2.8 GHz, 1 GiB RAM, i82845 graphics, many partitions, Pupmode 12 (13)
Mostly running Slacko & 214X
Nämen, vaf.... ln -s /dev/null MHHP
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
rjbrewer


Joined: 22 Jan 2008
Posts: 4377
Location: merriam, kansas
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 20:47    Post subject:  
MinHundHettePerro wrote:
Thank you, RandSec, for elaborating Cool.

I think I'll just rest my case, digress, and reach out, fumbling, for my tin-foil hat ........... (thicker or thinner than yours, I could never guess, but, my tin-foil layered goggles are, at least, spelt with a single "o" Embarassed Wink).

I sincerely wish you a safe computing experience, and may the bad guys never, even attempt to, malignify your ware.......

All the best, wishes MHHP, the malware-daring, google-paranoid, puppyian of the north.

It's very late here, so Good night, sleep well, don't let the malware bite Smile/
MHHP


A satellite dish converted into a "paranormal deflector" more than
doubles the effectiveness of a tin-foil hat. Smile
tinfoil_hat_antenna.jpg
 Description   
 Filesize   27.73 KB
 Viewed   912 Time(s)

tinfoil_hat_antenna.jpg

_________________

Inspiron 700m, Pent.M 1.6Ghz, 1Gb ram.
Msi Wind U100, N270 1.6>2.0Ghz, 1.5Gb ram.
Full installs
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
PaulBx1

Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Posts: 2308
Location: Wyoming, USA
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 21:53    Post subject:  
Good news and bad news. The good:

1) Menu bug fixed by a .pet supplied by duke93535 (see bug board).

2) Gnumeric now works my ballistics spreadsheet again (I had reported a bug, now fixed in this revision). Yay!

The bad:

1) I tried using the Universal Installer to update my 511 install on the flash drive. If I try it on my desktop, it gets to the SYSLINUX line and hangs. If I try it on the laptop, it goes further, but stops with the message that it can't find the lupu_525.sfs file. This is so even though there are two of them on the flash drive, one on the top directory and another in a directory called I5251104.023 for some reason. If I close the CD drawer and boot from there it boots OK, even using the .sfs file on the flash drive it could not find previously!

2) My browser is acting jumpy, as if I am clicking the mouse while I am typing. It may be a hardware thing though.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
turf

Joined: 21 Mar 2011
Posts: 34
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 22:38    Post subject:  
i for some reason actually ignore I5251104.023 directory.
what is this for anyway?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
puppyluvr


Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Posts: 3053
Location: Chickasha Oklahoma
PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 22:41    Post subject:  
Very Happy Hello,
Still mostly running 5.25...
Well, that`s about it... Cool
I`m learning to like OB...
Wish I had something to report...
I report it works so well, I forgot about it... Wink
_________________
"Close the "Windows", and open your eyes, to a whole new world"
http://puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet.net/puppyluvr/
http://theplpd.webs.com/

Nothing but Puppy since 2.15CE...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
Lobster
Official Crustacean


Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 15109
Location: Paradox Realm
PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr 2011, 01:13    Post subject:  
Quote:
The next level of security is to have a LiveDVD, with the goal being to start out clean on every session. Malware still might get in, but if it does, and runs, that will end as the session ends. It will be from very difficult to impossible for malware to infect the DVD.


You are running in multisession mode which is different to running from DVD even a RW-DVD.
As well as FUD, Puppy has to counter well meaning 'security concerns' Cool

Try developing a personalised GROWL for the next level . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Security
which is my security program (don't use it myself incidentally as
there is no felt requirement)

I feel you are educating yourself
and are safer than you need to be

Puppy is designed to run from live DVD/CD
which can not be written once burned to under any feasible scenario.
It is therefore inherently more secure than BSD or any Linux storable on a writable media such as a Hard Drive or USB.

Puppy Lucid is secure. Smile
_________________
Puppy WIKI

Last edited by Lobster on Tue 12 Apr 2011, 13:50; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
James C


Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Posts: 4768
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr 2011, 01:30    Post subject:  
Running Snow Puppy (based on Lucid) the other night and my poor Puppy got attacked. Laughing
Pretty interesting to watch a Windows bug try to run on Linux...... knew it wouldn't do anything but I let it try.

Puppy survived. Smile
puppy infected.png
 Description   
 Filesize   147.54 KB
 Viewed   844 Time(s)

puppy infected.png
windows security.png
 Description   
 Filesize   11.07 KB
 Viewed   804 Time(s)

windows security.png
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 91 of 129 [1925 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, ..., 127, 128, 129 Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Puppy Projects
Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

[ Time: 0.1311s ][ Queries: 13 (0.0282s) ][ GZIP on ]