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Lobster
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jan 2011, 02:59    Post subject:  Puppy 5.3 Alpha [Now available]  

Poor Larry and Mick. Rolling Eyes
No sooner is 5.2 out and that mad cructacean (that would be me Embarassed )
is clamouring for a 5.3 direction . . .

Rather than post to them privately about plans
I thought let us post here

Possible features:

1. A more developed Quick Launch similar to this (Lucid Lit)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=477503#477503
or the one used in Linux Mint.
That might also involve an evolved Quickpet . . .

2. Automatic 'personal storage file growth'/movement into a swap file

3. Control Panel (for settings wizards etc)

4. Built from latest Woof

In effect 5.2.1 could be the Alpha of 5.3 Smile
Update: many of these features now available in Lucid 525


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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jan 2011, 05:20    Post subject:  

I have mentioned this before but I will again.

Puppy needs to be able to install additional package to a separate sfs file or at least have the option to use the savefile or an additional sfs. I think the savefile should be used for settings only. This way all the same favourite programs could be used in various distros by simply loading the sfs at bootup.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jan 2011, 05:31    Post subject: Re: Puppy 5.3 Pre Alpha [Not yet available]  

Lobster wrote:
1. A more developed Quick Launch similar to this (Lucid Lit)

Have you seen 'PupApps 1.1' by radky?

Lobster wrote:
3. Control Panel (for settings wizards etc)

...or 'PupControl 1.1', also by radky?

I personally wish people would let the dust settle on new releases before talking about non-existent future versions...

01smokey, I'm sure you know this already, but maybe others don't, the 'dir2sfs' (should be in Lucid 5.2, I think), can be used to very easily build your own sfs files...

I personally use a script I made called 'pets2sfs', which extracts all pets to ./files (in the current dir)..
It hen packs them up in a .sfs file. Easy - now I have many custom sfs files that are used in all my puppies.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jan 2011, 06:29    Post subject:  

Some great points guys. Many thanks.

Remember Larry says here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=485371#485371
Quote:
Coordinating Lucid Puppy has been one of the greatest experiences of my life


He deserves full praise for what has been achieved
Larry makes it quite clear
Quote:
I will not be coordinating any more releases of Lucid Puppy.
Crying or Very sad

It is quite possible for Larry to discuss what he feels should be in 5.3
and remember how flexible the process is at this stage . . .

Puppy 5.3 Wiki page
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy53

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Mar 2011, 20:32    Post subject: Re: Puppy 5.3 Pre Alpha [Not yet available]  

sc0ttman wrote:
01smokey, I'm sure you know this already, but maybe others don't, the 'dir2sfs' (should be in Lucid 5.2, I think), can be used to very easily build your own sfs files...

I personally use a script I made called 'pets2sfs', which extracts all pets to ./files (in the current dir)..
It hen packs them up in a .sfs file. Easy - now I have many custom sfs files that are used in all my puppies.


Awsome dude! Cool Was looking for just sort a script myself... Idea Maybe you would post your script or pet it so others could use it? Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Mar 2011, 21:19    Post subject:  

I would love to see an update for installing packages, where it tracks whether certain files are already installed.

e.g.
If the same file already exists, it does not replace it (as this eats space in a save file, if it is a file that is included with Puppy).

When uninstalling, it does not remove files that existed previously (so other things do not break (e.g. when doing an install to test something out (that happens to include a lib that you already have (and is used by other programs)), then removing it for what ever reason)).

This would probably apply mostly to lib modules, etc.

Maybe this could be optional (for situations where you might be upgrading something, and it should overwrite existing files, etc)...

Just a thought...
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar 2011, 21:52    Post subject: Re: Puppy 5.3 Pre Alpha [Not yet available]  

sc0ttman wrote:
I personally wish people would let the dust settle on new releases before talking about non-existent future versions...

I personally use a script I made called 'pets2sfs', which extracts all pets to ./files (in the current dir)..
It then packs them up in a .sfs file. Easy - now I have many custom sfs files that are used in all my puppies.


@sc0ttman,

1/ talking about the next release before the last one is finished is a normal part of the development improvement cycle

2/ could you publish your script somewhere please or create a pet, there are similar ones out there now, but yours has the neatest finish.

Finally, for all, a thought for 5.3:

Use it as a Developers Puppy, not another mainstream enduser puppy, it is time we had one for this specific purpose.

Such as adding all possible desktop combinations. I'll start with asking for a QT Desktop such as the eggwm which has only a 3 to 4 meg footprint and there are plenty of qt apps already around that could be "Puppyfied".

my thoughts anyway.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 19:05    Post subject: The PUP5.2 is excellent collaborative work.  

There is only one thing that I see is needed. Its has been needed since I joined the forum. I have asked several times, but it "scares" everyone to the point that no-one dares to do anything about it. (BTW, this is not a dare. "Dare" is emotional...this is not.)

How about for starters we do something very, very simple. Let's have a distro that announces which set of hardware it is targeted at. And, let support them by developing and contributing with that hardware objective in mind.

Barry is very clear in what he intends WARY for. That's an objective.
From a CPU standpoint, FATDOG is clear in what its intended for. That, too, is an objective.

Puppy 5.x should take an equally supportive position and clearly describe the 'minimum" hardware configuration that the PUP is intended to run on. If Barry has already addressed the very old hardware in Retro-WARY, shouldn't Puppy 5.x state that its a middle ground between really old and 64bit current machines. "Shouldn't it be stated>"

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 21:56    Post subject:  

ya well stick the last unstable branch of abiword I compiled for 5.2 in the alpha, since it was stable as hell and playdays was just tooooooooooooooooooooooooo over cautious to the point of being paranoid, like it couldn't of been removed in the next release if there were issues, which to this day is still ZERO reported, lol.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 06:19    Post subject:  

Whoa, we're at 5.3 already ... don't you think it's time to talk about 6.0? Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 07:33    Post subject:  

Iguleder wrote:
Whoa, we're at 5.3 already ... don't you think it's time to talk about 6.0? Smile

we did for about 3+ months and I said it would go nowhere and well its been over 6 months and technosaurus like I said wouldn't bring it forward, hasn't. He has a great mind when it comes to things like figuring out new and innovate ways of doing things, but yet he hasn't ever finished or even started a full release, really I think he's great for bringing the latest technologies but as coordinator I don't think he has the particular focus on one task at hand ability, Kind of like me, I start something and easily get distracted on the next thing, but I do try to produce the version at hand, but techo just keeps going forward. Smile
I'M NOT trying to put him down, he's a legend, but not a coordinator type guy, he's more of ideas type with know how. Unless 6 months isn't enough time to produce one single alpha version. Most would be focusing on the next version number after that time.
Anyways here's 24 pages talking about it and nothing else.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59496
Like I said before, Bigbass-Joe should be coordinator
next in line, I would like to see WhoDo he's been the best at it that I've seen, But I have faith in joe Smile he's a good guy and delivers the goods Smile
and after that playdayz, he did well with puppy 5, I didn't see eye to eye with him on a few occasions and I think he's ego takes rule over his best judgement, Something I haven't seen in the other 2 above.

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Ps jemimah I would of tossed in at number 1 or 2 but she has stated in the past that she doesn't want the roll.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 07:41    Post subject:  

What sc0ttman and smokey01 suggests sounds good to me.

To be able to do as Quickpet but instead of havingthem in pupsave one have them as portable sfs or tcz or something one can have on a media USB or HDD or whatever and use when one need and when not needed one unmount it again and when one shut down it does not grow the pupsave that should ahve as little as possible of things that is difficult to delete when once it is there.

Haha I have a cache with a stand up comedienne that was made some month ago and it reloads every time I boot up. Totally unnecessary taking up place not needed at all.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 17:34    Post subject:  

WhoDo is the MAN!!!! He should do it. I vote for HIM !!!!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Apr 2011, 03:14    Post subject:  

I think gcmartin has an important point- what hardware is any particular Puppy intended to run on? Early Puppies ran well on old, low spec, computers. I've tried Lucid on my 600MHz, 256MB machine, and it runs unuseably slowly. So does the current dpup. Spup is ok, but slower than Wary 5.1.1. And that is marginally slower than Puppy 4.3.1.

Have you noticed that with cars, the models in a manufacturers range gradully get improved and bigger? Until the smallest one is so big that a new smallest model, with a new name, is introduced? Same with software.

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Apr 2011, 05:30    Post subject:  

gerry don't get me wrong now but how do you measure if it run fast or slow apart from a gut feeling? You do glxgears or some similar? Go to a site that measure browsers or what. Take time from boot to start of a typical program? Slow in what way?
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