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The Official Release of Lucid 5.25 (Lucid Five Twenty-Five)
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01micko


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 22:43    Post subject:  
gcmartin,

Of course you know it won't be persistent if you don't reboot and save. The main reason for the reboot is that if you have started PPM then none of the files for PPM in /tmp will be overwritten. Really PPM should have it's own mechanism for updating whatever repo you want instead of going through the lot, but that's up to BarryK.


~

I made a splash for 'stay-connected' and made an important change to the script. It was filling up /tmp/xerrs.log, I redirected the output to /dev/null. It also runs from /root/Startup and can be turned off. I have also reduced the chances of the process running more than once with a wrapper script.
Change to main script:
Code:
#!/bin/sh
while [ 1 ]; do
 ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 >/dev/null 2>&1
 sleep 30
done


EDIT: I'll leave ver 2.0 up but rcrsn51 pointed out the the address being pinged may not be to some users liking. The new address is 149.20.4.69 in ver 3.0, it's to an open source site, I'll leave you to search it out Wink . Everything else is the same.
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RandSec

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 22:46    Post subject:  
rjbrewer wrote:
gcmartin wrote:
On PUP522, QuickPET>More PETs>Update PPM. when it completes, it instructs to reboot. Since I'm on a LiveCD, Is this a one-time occurrance or will I be required to REBOOT each time this is invoked?

Thanks in advance


With live cd (or usb) you have to make a save file somewhere or
it's starting from fresh each time.

One of the advantages of a LiveDVD is security, which would be negated by having a save file which malware could modify.

One of the few head-to-head advantages Puppy has over Microsoft Windows is usable LiveDVD security. Puppy is the only known LiveDVD with the ability to add file changes to the boot DVD, and so to configure and update the browser over time. That makes Puppy the current best choice for all on-line banking (or it would be, if we could fix the problems which make Puppy use difficult for an ordinary user). So if the DVD update advantage has not been retained by PPM, it would seem that we either have a PPM problem, or a DVD Save problem, or both.
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RandSec

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 23:17    Post subject:  
bigpup wrote:

That was something that had to be done to Firewall status.
Make it delay working, to give time for the network to come on line.
Take a look next time you reboot.
Firewall status will show up in tray about 30 seconds after you get a desktop.

Maybe the firewall should be in place all the time, and then status would always be available. The firewall could be explicitly turned off, of course, or modified, as the user desired.

The current scheme of on the one hand: requiring network access to get drivers, and on the other: not having a firewall on by default, is a vital failure. The firewall needs to be up by default before the first network transaction is allowed.
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 23:18    Post subject:  
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made a splash for 'stay-connected' and made an important change to the script. It was filling up /tmp/xerrs.log, I redirected the output to /dev/null. It also runs from /root/Startup and can be turned off. I have also reduced the chances of the process running more than once with a wrapper script.

Thanks 01micko, so it should be in the distro then, you think? Seems that we have some time Wink

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I have been answering my own question: How does Iron 10 work with videos? My wife just watched an hour of Grateful Dead videos, full screen, with not a hiccup in Iron 10 and Luci-522 on youtube.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 00:01    Post subject:  
bigpup wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:
Found something unusual about my wifi connection dropping
after 15+ minutes of inactivity.

It's only happening on this Dell 700m; Luci-Lupu wifi are stable on
the PowerSpec pc.

Still not a problem on the laptop with rcrsn51 "stay connected" .pet.

You know laptops are always trying to save power. Could a bios setting be causing this?


This bios is dependent on os for any type of power control.
Pent. M 725 speedstep.

It only drops connection with Lupu-luci.
Wary and 4.xx installs don't have the problem.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 01:07    Post subject:  
RandSec wrote:
bigpup wrote:

That was something that had to be done to Firewall status.
Make it delay working, to give time for the network to come on line.
Take a look next time you reboot.
Firewall status will show up in tray about 30 seconds after you get a desktop.

Maybe the firewall should be in place all the time, and then status would always be available. The firewall could be explicitly turned off, of course, or modified, as the user desired.

The current scheme of on the one hand: requiring network access to get drivers, and on the other: not having a firewall on by default, is a vital failure. The firewall needs to be up by default before the first network transaction is allowed.

From Firewallstate forum Topic:
This is why Firewall Status in tray is delayed on boot-up.
has a small script for boot startup which has a 20 second wait for the network connection to finish. In other versions if the network wasn't up it errored out and wouldn't start.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 02:30    Post subject:  
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It's only happening on this Dell 700m; Luci-Lupu wifi are stable on
the PowerSpec pc.
et seq.

Not a new boy around here rj, so why are you still wasting your dosh on dodgy proprietary cr*p?! You know that Dellboy and his cohorts get up to all sorts of leverage trickery with their boxes to save a few cents and garner favour with the Beast of Redmond. Not enough proverbial six-year olds in your neighbourhood to build proper kit from eg NewEgg or Anand?

If you're stuck with junk HW, esp. if there are BIOS issues, you can try searching for the actual Chinese manufacturer of the board and flash to the generic BIOS. Works for me when I'm gifted with defective proprietary stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 02:41    Post subject:  
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The firewall needs to be up by default before the first network transaction is allowed.

Not quite. Only if your machine(s) has/have already been cloned. That is only likely if you've already done something stupid, eg like opening obviously bent emails from people you've never heard of, trying to buy V-i-a-g-r-a online (just when will the Yankies learn to institute a proper NHS service?!)or visiting porn sites (your wife knows about this?!). There are those around who are dumb enough to dual boot with other OS es.
How many times? Buy a pair of caddies. HDs are cheap. One per user. If the other person screws up on their HD that's their problem. But, with Puppy, even that expedient is overkill - use one machine per person. People dispose of machines perfectly able to run Puppy. You don't need multi-cores, etc, etc. That's what this is all about. If you want bells, whistles and go-faster stripes you deserve all you get.
And stop bugging our clever developers to make this compact distro run the latest and greatest gadgets that don't even run on the supplied driver for you-know-who's OS.
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01micko


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 03:08    Post subject:  
SeaMonkey-2.0.13 No Mail

I compiled this a couple of days ago in lupu 521, I have been using it ever since, seems pretty solid.

Note, it's configured with no mail and not to update and with lupu's system cairo and sqlite, so no other deps are needed. It's only 10M so might be a good alternative for users who want something smaller.

http://brainwavedesigncentral.net/micko01/stuff/puppy/lupu/pet-packages-lupu/seamonkey-2.0.13-lupu-no-mail.pet
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8-bit


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 03:13    Post subject:  
That is about the same as a user that has a very low spec PC, say 64-128 megs ram with a swap partition and then comes here and complains that he cannot watch movies on youtube without jerky video.
For goodness sake, with all the disk swapping going on, he should realize that Puppy will not make his old PC run like a newer PC with sufficient ram and a faster processor.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 04:30    Post subject:  
RandSec wrote:
The firewall needs to be up by default before the first network transaction is allowed.

Consider how the Windows firewall works. If you turn it on, it automatically allows exceptions for file/print sharing. So you can perform those activities on your LAN seamlessly.

Now that Lupu has made firewall handling easy, people are turning it on, then discovering that their LAN doesn't behave as expected. The usual, incorrect, assumption is that their client/server software isn't working properly.

I would argue against turning on the firewall by default. But if you do, there some be some messages that warn about the side effects. Or the firewall should be automatically configured to allow file/print sharing protocols.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 04:37    Post subject:  
playdayz wrote:
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made a splash for 'stay-connected' and made an important change to the script. It was filling up /tmp/xerrs.log, I redirected the output to /dev/null. It also runs from /root/Startup and can be turned off. I have also reduced the chances of the process running more than once with a wrapper script.

Thanks 01micko, so it should be in the distro then, you think? Seems that we have some time

Considering the discussion here, you might want to think about who owns 8.8.8.8. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 04:57    Post subject:  
RandSec wrote :
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One of the few head-to-head advantages Puppy has over Microsoft Windows is usable LiveDVD security. Puppy is the only known LiveDVD with the ability to add file changes to the boot DVD, and so to configure and update the browser over time. That makes Puppy the current best choice for all on-line banking (or it would be, if we could fix the problems which make Puppy use difficult for an ordinary user). So if the DVD update advantage has not been retained by PPM, it would seem that we either have a PPM problem, or a DVD Save problem, or both.


How can we duplicate that to USB for us that have no CD nor DVD player such as on Netbook Acer D250 10" sized mini laptops?

Why can not a usb be made safe that way? Or a frugal on the hdd install?
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 05:36    Post subject:  
rcrsn51 wrote:
playdayz wrote:
Quote:
made a splash for 'stay-connected' and made an important change to the script. It was filling up /tmp/xerrs.log, I redirected the output to /dev/null. It also runs from /root/Startup and can be turned off. I have also reduced the chances of the process running more than once with a wrapper script.

Thanks 01micko, so it should be in the distro then, you think? Seems that we have some time

Considering the discussion here, you might want to think about who owns 8.8.8.8. Wink


yes, maybe 149.20.4.69 would be more appropriate Wink

Edit: Above post has the. new option added
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Apr 2011, 05:51    Post subject:  
nooby wrote:

How can we duplicate that to USB for us that have no CD nor DVD player such as on Netbook Acer D250 10" sized mini laptops?

Why can not a usb be made safe that way? Or a frugal on the hdd install?


Well you can't really as the media is rw (though I guess with some clever code it could be done as rw Confused ). However, if you can boot from an SD card they have the little switch on the side to make them read only (aka ro) . I read somewhere on the forum that this works as far as booting puppy and running in RAM, though this was awhile ago. I'm feeling a bit lazy so sorry no link! Razz
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