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[nooby]

Maybe not many would look for such a list but it would be handy to be able to link to it if there existed one.

To be useful it would need to include the menu.lst code so people knows how to replicate others successes booting. And also how to make save of persistence? or of it can only boot but now save.

I mean frugally on NTFS but it is helpful if one add those that only boot on linux partitions but then one have to mention that is what one tested it on.

Puppy is the champ so that one comes first on the list.

Knoppix does too and DSL and TCL and so on.

Is that a cool thread or totally worthless?

[puppyluvr]

Hello,
I have investigated this while building MultiPup..
So far the only distros that I cant get to boot from grub were Ubuntu and Luitlinux.....
They would boot, but fail to configure...I could prob get it, but I quit trying..
Just read the isolinux file from the ISO and edit grub to suit...

Many distros require the data files be on the top level, ie the root of the partition...DSL for example....

[nooby]

puppyluvr wrote
So far the only distros that I cant get to boot from grub were Ubuntu and Luitlinux.....

I have heard of Ubuntu but not the last one. Okay I did manage to get Ubuntu to boot before they went Grub2. So 8.04 or 8.10 maybe will boot in frugal live mode on NTFS but there is no way to save such things like keyboard and Firewall set up or which Flashplugin one use.

So sadly the most known Linux fails.

Slackware based seems to be among those that allow it.

Vector, Wolvix, Groblin, NimbleX, Slax and so on.
Debian based except Ubuntu like Simply Mepis and AntiX and such.

I only got one Arch based distro to boot but had to do ISO boot in frugal on NTFS but many of the otehr Arch I failed.

Maybe most would boot on Ext2 or Ext3 partition but I want to be Dual booting with the original OS and not change any partition. It changes the recovery safe guards them set up to know nobody have tampered with their set up. So no resizing are allowed on the hdd.

Sure one can have USB and format the USB flash or HDD in every way one want but I am not good at partitioning USB, it is a hit an miss every time I try.

So I trust that Puppy TCL and Knoppix and AntiX can boot but I would want us to list every other that boot and tell how we did it. That would be cool to be able to link to as a help if somebody say that Puppy is the only distro allowing frugal so that is something too odd to even consider then one can show that a lot of developers have allowed frugal boot by setting up their Distro so it works.

[rcrsn51]

[nooby]

Haha that is why I want Puppy to be able to install itself as a grub2 distro on a USB flash and then one can change the files to another distro and that way one can test all these Peppermint and other derivates from Ubuntu/mint varieties.

[amigo]

The trick to a frugal installation is not in the bootloader. It's in the initrd -that's where the code is which looks for the file system image(s) to be used to set up a bootable system. You could make any distro you like to run like that -you just need a proper initrd and kernel for each one.

[nooby]

Amigo I trust you on this.

Does that mean that if a distro don't boot frugally then the Dev did not know about frugal or that they did not care or did know and did not want it to boot frugally due to some political reason?

Does it mean that any with enough knowledge can create their own initrd that boot any distro by patching the initrd and reburn the iso?

How difficult is it to do this? or such changes? Just to change a reference or do you need to do real programming or just change a word or value and then reburn the iso?

Let me explain, my naive question. Often they fail to boot due to them looking for the "signature" a special file with the signature and it is there but on the HDD but the initrd look for it on the CD or USB so if one could just patch that look to the HDD instead Is it that easy?

[d4p]

"Puppy is the champ so that one comes first on the list."

May be yes, but you have to count also boot directly from iso.
Booting from iso is very nice for multiboot system, guarantee without conflict, and possible full install from iso.

"I mean frugally on NTFS but it is helpful if one add those that only boot on linux partitions but...."

Frugal booting or direct booting from iso is possible.
I have -giga multiboot usb external HDD- using GRUB4DOS:
1st partition: Portable XP full installed on NTFS partition (see Usboot.org)
2nd partition: All isos & frugals on NTFS partition (work the most, see the list below)
3rd partition: All isos & frugals on Fat32 partition (only 3 or 4 os sofar must be on this partition)
4th partition: linux partition ext3
This is the list that sofar it work on my usb external HDD:
----- Windows system ------
Portable XP, minipe, micrope, win7 & vista recovery disk, hbcd.
----- Windows Installations -------
xp install, win7 install
----- virus scanner ------
eset32sys rescuecd, norton av rescue 2011, bitdefender rescue, avast BartPe v2, kaspersky 2010, panda safe cd, fsecure, gdatacd 2010, avg rescuecd, acronisantimalwarecd
----- Linux Distros ------
Parted Magic 510, lupu 520, austrumi 232, slitaz 30, tinycore 35, jolicloud, slax 612, linux mint, k- l- x- ubuntu 1010, ctBankix(best Banking online), fedora 14, Pclinuxos 2010, sebayon 55, swiftlinux, ylmf, debian live, peppermint, easypeasy, sms, more and more still alot of space.

download MultiBootISOs-x.exe & run it, open full-menu.lst
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-multiboot-usb/
Some other information:
http://reboot.pro/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=active

"Is that a cool thread or totally worthless?"
Just a big challenge & spending a lot time.

Defrag the HDD can take the whole day to finished it.

[aarf]

i agree. grub booting direct from iso in knoppix is more new user friendly than puppy frugal. getting that knowledge and capability to puppy would be a plus.

[nooby]

Frugal boot of the iso is something I like too but usually one would need to do it on USB and Fat32 and not be able to do it on NTFS on the inner HDD.

A few distros allow it but most would bark that they fail to find the files due to them looking for the CD live on the CD so one have to tell the Devs to allow iso booting from any place and not only the CD drive or the USB.

Or change to BIOS in such a way that it see the inner HDD as an CD drive then?

MultiBootISOs-x.exe ? but can this be run in Wine on Puppy or does one need to fire up windows to run it?

If one are dependent of Ms Windows to boot a Linux OS that is kind of to make one totally dependent on the proprietary moguls.

Linux user at the computer store. I can not buy that computer because it has not Ms Windows on it. But I thought you where totally into Linux? Yes but I need to borrow Windoes to to boot Linux Duh

Just friendly teasing. I try to get used to not never every needing windows anymore.

Grub2 allow for some more booting on NTFS but Puppy Devs don't want to allow Puppy to be used by newbies on Grub2 only by the pro user of Puppy. So one need to learn Ubuntu or TCL or something that have grub2 or one have to learn how to make an USB that allow booting of anything and I am not there yet. So steep learning curve. I fail to get things in place. My brain just lose all the details and fail to structure them in a file so it is comprehensible after it is written. Too many details that need to be taken in sequence.

[nooby]

I failed with peppermint how did you set that one up for to work?

Ah it is one of the isos that can be booted on usb if one use that Windows tool.

But how does one boot peppermint from the NTFS HDD in iso or as individual directories sifted out of the iso?

Here is a thing about ubuntu on USB that boots in 8 seconds Sara claim.

To follow her instructions one need a CD with Ubuntu live and then an USB with 4GB or more??? and to prepare it to have the partitions she mention. Too involved for me to get it though.

add full ubuntu (not liveCD) to your multi-boot usb
http://reboot.pro/13104/page__pid__114341#entry114341
(not livecd) Boot full Ubuntu+Fedora+Mint .VHD From USB by grub4dos
http://reboot.pro/13801/page__p__121693#entry121693

Sara seems good at using computers. I barely get what she talks about but very interesting.

She uses a short or abbrev there that I fail to grasp. VHD

is it Virtual Hard Disk Image or something? That one make use of the images that Vbox and such tend to use?

That is why she says she use Full Ubuntu and not the Live ubuntu and why she wants us to download three files from an upload instead of reusing the files from Ubuntu we already have from their dowloads.

Why would it not work for those one already have? Why do I need to user her versions?

[Ibidem]

Grub4dos menu.lst follows:

[puppyluvr]

Hello,
@Nooby,

[puppyluvr]

Hello...again...

This is a snippet from the code in MultiPup that generates a grub entry for Nimblex.. ($menu is a variable for the version of Nimblex IE Nimblex2008..)

[nooby]

Thanks indeed guys for caring about my crazy thread.

I guess I have to put stress on where the OS is installed and the partition of the media.

Some only work on Fat32 and not on NTFS at all. Some works on Ext2 or Ext3 but neither on Fat32 nor on NTFS.

For us who want to be able to help out a neighbor who have problems with MsWindows we need to be able to install Puppy or other Linux distro without changing their basic OS that they want to keep due to them having programs that only work in a properly installed Windows.

Yes I have tested to get it to work using Wine in Puppy and the program barked very loud that it could not get what it needed for Borland Database Program to work. Only Windows has such.

And the Neighbor has newly paid thousands of Swedish money to get that Program so puppy and other linux has to work on NTFS partition and that can not be changed size of either due to the recovery has recorded teh size and put that in its' memory and refuse to do the recovery if one do the resize.

That is why we see it as boxed in. This is reality and not some propaganda. This is life as it is

To keep the friendship of a nice neighbor one can not start persuading them to give up on Windoes. One have to co-live in Dual Booting. Okay!

So cool list there., And that one work on the NTFS internal HDD on your computer. I have to test. Will be interesting. Much appreciated.