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Introducing PULP - 125 MB Puplet for older hardware
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sindi

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2011, 10:24    Post subject: Flash 9 with Opera
Subject description: any advantage?
 

If Flash 10 uses less resources (despite being larger) what is the reason to use Flash 9 with Opera?
Pulp already comes with the libraries (in Firefox). Will your script work with Flash 7?
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2011, 11:34    Post subject: Re: Flash 9 with Opera
Subject description: any advantage?
 

sindi wrote:
If Flash 10 uses less resources (despite being larger) what is the reason to use Flash 9 with Opera?
b/c of the libraries you mentioned earlier ... it's smaller just more convenient - you could still just copy those libs into /usr/lib
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Pulp already comes with the libraries (in Firefox). Will your script work with Flash 7?
Yes, but if something _actually_ requires flash8+ (fairly infrequent) it may (not always) cause the browser to shutdown (opera seems to do better though, b/c it wraps the plugins) ... most of the time you just don't get the newer components - also some people had problems with not getting sound even when flash7 was new - that required a helper lib in the plugin directory called libflashhelper (or something like that)
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2011, 11:59    Post subject: flash 7 with opera
Subject description: will it do Youtube65
 

Have you tried using flash 7 (with your script) for Youtube?
If it works, I will share it with Basiclinux, which has such
old libraries that nothing newer than 7 will work.
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2011, 13:47    Post subject:  

It did work with most videos until late last November when YouTube changed the player gui (which is separate from the actual content) for now it won't work without some kind of hack to bypass the player gui ... you might as well use You2pup (or 1 of 1000 other youtube downloaders) and mplayer for that. But it is still useful for playing 90% of the flash games out there (most of these are the exact same games that came out even before flash7, but the web page template contains stock javascript that insists that _all_ content requires flashX.x ... whatever the latest was at the time it was generated)

btw flash7 is the only version that will work with gtk1 browsers like the ones at lamerelle.org

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2011, 16:00    Post subject: Introducing PULP
Subject description: Pulp 0.1
 

Hi "zenfunk",

- Have dwnld 002 and 003 to try in some old IBM laptops, and a desktop or 2 also. Wondered where the 0.1 ver is located, i'm having trouble following the info through the pages.
- Also would you be kind enough to list base kernel numbers used so as I may kind of understand what works and doesn't in converting this old hardware. From pg1 "My base distro is 4.1.2 barebones retro."

- Also might comment on liking to stay with 1.5 - 2.x security enhanced FireFox derivitives by "ttuuxxx" (rant: Lot of browser spill in 3.6)

- As an aside, reading about Flash 10, isn't that the version introducing EverCookies, from what i've gleaned reading about, is that most folks are staying with 9 and earlier until absolutely forced by a site to change.

Thank You for the work
Jay
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-gee, listened too much TV today!!
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Mar 2011, 22:12    Post subject:
Subject description: . . .
 

hi efiguy - dunno about 02 or 01 but the kernel for 03 is 2.6.21.7 and the jwm is v2.0.1 - most apps and sfs <p431 vintage should be okay or doable with some 'little stuff' dependencies (best result and performance is with stuff that's less inclined to newer 'heavy' gtk). Like WishRush filemanager and Pa McClamrock's stuff seems better in the 2009 or tcl/tk versions rather than the recent gnocl'd stuff.

Actually it's a really good optimization (like rox is still here but it's been pared Wink decently if you need it for roxy fm stuff). I'd suggest shinobar's mod-fix of pmount since it solves the too-quick open/close of optical trays on unmounts if the desktops have'em.
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PostPosted: Sat 19 Mar 2011, 23:37    Post subject: Introducing PULP
Subject description: Ist check
 

Hi,

- no laptops running - did general disc check - using 2003 desktop 933 AMD, booted - didn't find video, reboot xorg ok this time, used 1024x768, text and menu little small, - Very responsive and 300meg ram left. (the dual boot 431 has 53meg)
- I accidently clicked the small console icon and got into trouble, locking the gui, mouse still moved, had to reset out.

- I'll certainly experiment some more - Looked for "Growlers Hiawatha pet" doesnt seem to be available.
- For me, think this might be a great webserving start for using an older desktop or laptop hardware.

- Missed PProcess - Would like a process control
Sometimes find myself more involved with utilities, than office stuff,
sure could use a fat32 Undeleter, partition restorer, something that will open virtually any file extension for inspection of text, like old dos edit, or winvi .

Sorry got to rambling
Great job
I'll find a "Puphouse" for Pulp,
J
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2011, 05:11    Post subject: Re: Introducing PULP
Subject description: Ist check
 

efiguy wrote:
[I would like] something that will open virtually any file extension for inspection of text, like old dos edit, or winviJ

Try the command 'strings'...

Example
Code:
strings `which geany`

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2011, 13:42    Post subject:
Subject description: asleep @ the wheel
 

@efiguy
htop's prettier than pprocess (and faster, more intuitive, what's not to like?) .. oya, a console up is live - why I like the ones (like mrxvt and urxvt-8.1) that dim when they don't have focus, if it's lit up I tend to back away from pecking at the kybd.

Mmhm, change the font-size in any jwm theme (or fiddle with tray height if horizontal or width if vertical tray), Christian did go a mite compact on that but it's easy to change.

No idea if it'd benefit your case on 'un'deleting, but it helped me to recall some scuttlebutt about the ro's (layerage working system - I was trying to clean out and delete/rename/move/sym stuff around in a root subdir and kept coming up against 'dir not empty' .. [gotta be a forgotten whiteout since I couldn't 'see' it as-was in that dir on a multisession livecd) .. humped over to ro2, ro1 and found the wee beast. Smooth sailing after that.

ramble on Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2011, 14:59    Post subject:  

there is a nice gtk1 alternative to top/htop/pprocess called gps ... It was difficult to track down the sources, but quite nice and iirc less resource intensive than using a shell, terminal emulator and top/htop.

I will be posting a modified mrxvt soon (with numbered tabs)

be careful modifying strings in a binary ... its easy to Bork the global offset table ... I use sed to mod them in place but I also use code that ensures that the replaced string is the same size

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 11:50    Post subject: Firefox 2 broke
Subject description: fixed it by deleting /root/firefox
 

Firefox 2 (Firepup) was refusing to load (said it was already running) and one of the two files I was supposed to delete in /root/mozilla/firefox did not exist (a lock file) so I deleted the whole directory and it works again (probably lost some settings though).

I have Flash 10 in another mozilla directory (on the path in /etc/profile) and now Youtube crashes Firefox 2. Other flash sites may do the same.

Firefox 3 pet would not install because my personal storage was down to 0 MB. I expect it to cooperate with Flash 10. I could have unpacked the tar.gz but thought there might be missing libraries that way. I expect it to break Firefox 2 but this is a fast 2GHz computer with 512MB RAM.

Seamonkey 2.0.7 portable pet in pulp 01 required libgconf-2.so.4 (it would occasionally segfault without it) which is available as a pet GConf-dbus-2.16.0-i486.pet.

Opera 11.01 works okay (unpacked to /mnt/home after downloading from opera.com. Picasa is not happy with it. Is there a pet for it?

Pulp 1 works just great with the latest browsers. It is the only linux I have seriously considered switching to in 10 years of using Basiclinux (which does boot faster). Now to get rxvt into the top of the menu (someone explained how earlier). Thanks to all.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 12:16    Post subject: Firefox 4
Subject description: works with pulp
 

I unpacked the bz2 in /mnt/home/ and ran it from there. Works with flash at youtube, but not with the flash introduction to Firefox 4 (looks like an abstract painting). Add-ons installed okay. No extra libraries required.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 12:25    Post subject:  

pUpnGo is some 11mb or something that is UltraLight.

How big is your pulp then? 6MB or what?

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 18:40    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
pUpnGo is some 11mb or something that is UltraLight.

How big is your pulp then? 6MB or what?

nooby, PULP is not a tiny ISO like pUpnGo, but it uses gtk1 and other low resource apps and has many apps (unlike pUpnGo), but they are all built/configured/setup to work on old/slow PCs... Something like Puplite, but much lighter!

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Mar 2011, 16:49    Post subject: Where is pulp 0.1
Subject description: please provide a link on the first page
 

I have been publicizing pulp to users of basiclinux (which is ten years old and cannot run new browsers) as ideal for older hardware, and someone asked where to download the latest version.
zenfunk, please add a link to it on the first page of this topic. I see only links to some rather old versions, while the link to the latest one is buried many pages later.
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