Fatdog64-511

[James C]

For as long as I've been running Puppy I've never tried a multisession dvd...until now. Been running Fatdog 511 on multisession dvd for a couple of days now and no real difficulties to speak of. So far, everything just works. Great job on this.

[Billtoo]

I made a Fotowall-0.9-x86_64.pet which you can use to load several
photos on a page and arrange them.You can create backgrounds to use as
wallpaper or print them out ( I don't know if this works because I
don't have a printer installed).

Fotowall-0.9-x86_64.pet needs qt4-4.6.1.pet installed from the puppy package
manager in fatdog or it won't work.

Edit: this application can do other things like cd or dvd covers etc, here is a wallpaper done with it.

edit: I resized a wallpaper that I found on the internet and gave it a title, Fatdog64 is working nice on this pc.

[anAF]

Ok, I'll try to compile and make a .pet of svgalib first;
the latest development version is 1.9.25 and is from 2006; it should support more graphic cards.
Then, if I start with pfix=nox it should work, right?
Then I can try to compile also Arachne, I guess.

anAF, Arachne requires svgalib. Svgalib requires exclusive screen access, it is not compatible with X. Svgalib hasn't been updated for a very long time (wikipedia says since 2001) - so good luck trying systems that can actually run it.

If you need a CLI browser, I'd recommend elinks, available in the repository, with thanks to Billtoo for compiling it.

Fatdog CLI is always available - just choose Quit X Server from menu , or use pfix=nox in the boot line.

cheers!

[oui]

Hi Kirk

Thank you very much for this help:

If you want to run Firefox as root (Seamonkey would be similar) from the Fatdog home screen, click on "FAQs" and then on "Firefox won't save to xxxx."

As far as removing Firefox, deleting /usr/lib64/firefox-3.6.12 will do it, but keep in mind it's in the read only SFS file, so deleting it really just hides it. To really remove it you could do this:

1) Copy the the contents of the main sfs to your hard drive.

# mkdir /mnt/home/SFS
# cp -a /initrd/pup_ro2 /mnt/home/SFS

2) Delete Firefox (you could add stuff too if you like)

# rm -r /mnt/home/SFS/usr/lib64/firefox-3.6.12
# rm /mnt/home/SFS/usr/share/applications/Firefox.desktop

3) Make a new SFS file.

# cd /mnt/home
# mksquashfs sfs fd64-511.sfs


Also I uploaded a new pet package for Geany-0.20 including all pluggins (spell check).

I did adapt it as following.

After the first start (there is yet no /mnt/home and no save file but the maximal memory of my laptop):

a. I did install what I need (Seamonkey, Skype and EasyTag)
b. I did erase Firefox directly in my /usr/lib64
c. and change in /usr/local the default browser and default mail client

d. use your proposal after light modification: I use my /usr area as it is as a lot of details did be changed by the installation's procedures! all that enters directly into the new.sfs without effort!

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# cp -a /initrd/pup_ro2 /mnt/sda1/
# mv /mnt/sda1/pup_ro2 /mnt/sda1/sfs

# rm -r /mnt/sda1/sfs/usr

# cp -a /usr /mnt/sda1/sfs/usr

# cd /mnt/sda1
# mksquashfs sfs fd64-511.sfs

What I did not find:

the old directory /root/Desktop of the very old puppys
to enter the changes from Desktop into /mnt/sda1/sfs

and the way to desinstall properly the actual Geany to remplace it by the new Geany 2. that you did propose to us in the same answer, so I did renounce at this time.

next detail:

what is the goal of fd64-32bit-libs-3.sfs ?

probably this sfs makes 32 bit applications possibly usable in the 64 bit environment? if yes, it would be important to include it in the new fd64-511.sfs or not? only copy the content into /mnt/sda1/sfs ?

what is with wine if fd64-32bit-libs-3.sfs is available?

kind regards

PS do I observe somewhat important to rebuild a complete iso with that new fd64-511.sfs and perhaps change the name before that to mark that it is not the original version?

[jamesbond]

I made a Fotowall-0.9-x86_64.pet which you can use to load several
photos on a page and arrange them.You can create backgrounds to use as
wallpaper or print them out ( I don't know if this works because I
don't have a printer installed).

Thanks Billtoo. I'll try it - looks interesting and perhaps easier to use the using imagemagick from command line

[jamesbond]

next detail:

what is the goal of fd64-32bit-libs-3.sfs ?

probably this sfs makes 32 bit applications possibly usable in the 64 bit environment?

Yes, this is what it is for.

if yes, it would be important to include it in the new fd64-511.sfs or not? only copy the content into /mnt/sda1/sfs ?

It's up to you, if you plan to run a lot of 32-bit apps then you may need this included. Note - not all 32-bit apps are supported, you need to do trial-and-error to see which one works. Some apps require "start32" prefixed for them to run properly (ie if you usually start with app the "myapp" command, you need to do it "start32 myapp" instead.

what is with wine if fd64-32bit-libs-3.sfs is available?

Wine is 32-bit application and it requires the 32-bit lib. It won't work otherwise.

[oui]

Hi Kirk

what is with wine if fd64-32bit-libs-3.sfs is available?

Different from http://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64, I did try a wine.sfs 1.3.8 beeing on my hard disk (but I can't remember the provenience, and the name, wine-1.3.8-i486.sfs, don't refers to fatdog or amd64) and it seems to work but 'flashes' on the screen.

Kind regards

PS: Thank you jamesbond. Please have a look on the wiki page of the wine guy's!

[jamesbond]

oui, I presume you get the wine-1.3.8-i486.sfs that is available from Fatdog repo. If that's the case, as explained in the in readme file (http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... e-sfs.html) - that wine package is 32-bit (it's actually a re-package of what green_dome compiled on the other thread on this forum - thanks green_dome). That's why it has -i486 appended to it's name - because it's a 32-bit software.

And that version of wine definitely doesn't support Win64 or WoW64 you refer in your link. As far as I'm concerned Win64 is a dead product.

cheers!

[gcmartin]

Request: Has anyone SSH into a FATDOG and gotten a X session (FATDOG desktop) running over the SSH session on your local LAN?

Thanks in advance for any information/directives one can offer.

[jamesbond]

I made a Fotowall-0.9-x86_64.pet which you can use to load several
photos on a page and arrange them.You can create backgrounds to use as
wallpaper or print them out ( I don't know if this works because I
don't have a printer installed).

Thanks Billtoo. I'll try it - looks interesting and perhaps easier to use the using imagemagick from command line

Fotowall only supports bmp and png, but not jpeg? All my photos are in jpeg format

[Billtoo]

Fotowall only supports bmp and png, but not jpeg? All my photos are in jpeg format [/quote]

I just made a picture with 3 of the photos off my camera and they are in jpg format. I saved it as test.jpeg and it is working.

[jamesbond]

Request: Has anyone SSH into a FATDOG and gotten a X session (FATDOG desktop) running over the SSH session on your local LAN?

Thanks in advance for any information/directives one can offer.

Hi, if all you want is Fatdog desktop over LAN, there is x11vnc (menu: Network - VNC server). Any reason why this isn't sufficient?
cheers!

Billtoo - sent you a pm regarding Fotowall. Thanks.

[Roy]

Ummm, guys.... is libgmp.so.3 located in the devx? Does anybody have that library in /usr/lib64/ ? Xcas complains that library is missing and refuses to start for me.

If ANYBODY has that library available, I would appreciate it if you would post it for me.

Thanks!

-Roy

[oui]

gexec

Hi

I would like to know if some one knows a program starter like gexec with the option ’start32’ and, as it already is, the actual option ’run in terminal emulator’ for programs or frontends like 'gtklp’ or ‘zim ’ etc.

see also

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 743#492743

and

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=63553

bye

PS: gexec and mTpaint snapshot icons would be very interessant and important left in the bottom tool bar ot the screen window !

[jamesbond]

Ummm, guys.... is libgmp.so.3 located in the devx? Does anybody have that library in /usr/lib64/ ? Xcas complains that library is missing and refuses to start for me.

If ANYBODY has that library available, I would appreciate it if you would post it for me.

Thanks!

-Roy

Yes, apparently libgmp is located in devx ... (it's part of gcc). I wasn't aware that xcas needs this because I always run with devx installed. Here is the libgmp and his friends.

[gcmartin]

Request: Has anyone SSH into a FATDOG and gotten a X session (FATDOG desktop) running over the SSH session on your local LAN?

Thanks in advance for any information/directives one can offer.

Hi, if all you want is Fatdog desktop over LAN, there is x11vnc (menu: Network - VNC server). Any reason why this isn't sufficient?

Yes, as I recall, x11vnc uses a lot more LAN bandwidth and did not offer the security model versus SSH.

Seems that Technicians at several of customers use SSH approach to access the AIX and HPUX servers.

I understand that X11VNC has been around awhile and should probably work very well. But, if I needed to access the FATDOG64 system from a remote location, I'm told, this may not provide the satisfactory needs one might want.

I am no guru at running this versus X11 over LAN. I had just been told in past by couple of my UNIX guys that SSH should give some acceptable security and performance. That's the reason for the request of anyone who may have done this or tried this.

Thanks JamesBond for follow-up.

[jamesbond]

gexec

Hi

I would like to know if some one knows a program starter like gexec with the option ’start32’ and, as it already is, the actual option ’run in terminal emulator’ for programs or frontends like 'gtklp’ or ‘zim ’ etc.

see also

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 743#492743

and

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=63553

bye

PS: gexec and mTpaint snapshot icons would be very interessant and important left in the bottom tool bar ot the screen window !

Hi oui, sorry I don't get your questions. Anyway, the native Fatdog64 version of gtklp is now in the repo.
zim looks a lot like notecase (which is included in Fatdog64). It's also in the repo now. You need to have both python and python-sqlite3 fix installed.

cheers!

[Roy]

jamesbond,

Thank you for the libraries for xcas... It looks like xcas also requires libmpfr.so.1 which is a symlink to libmpfr.so.1.2.2 -- both located in the devx /usr/lib64 directory. I took the day yesterday to download the devx and pull those libraries as well.

I am attaching a copy of the extra /usr/lib64 libraries (including the ones you posted earlier), but am not yet sure if the initial xcas complaint of missing libgmp.so.3.5.0 (and the symbolic link libgmp.so.3) requires the remainder of the libgmp*** libraries in your initial response. (Think I read somewhere of some developer of a different program using a static stand-alone libgmp.so.3 in his work.)

Bottom line is that this file's contents remove xcas complaints about missing libgmp.so.3 and libmpfr.so.1 when the uncompressed contents are added to /usr/lib64/.

Again, thank you.

-Roy

Edit: Okay -- guess I won't attach anything. Dragging the directory over the desktop/pinboard Zip icon doesn't do anything and I'm no good at CLI.

[jamesbond]

jamesbond,

Thank you for the libraries for xcas... It looks like xcas also requires libmpfr.so.1 which is a symlink to libmpfr.so.1.2.2 -- both located in the devx /usr/lib64 directory. I took the day yesterday to download the devx and pull those libraries as well.

I am attaching a copy of the extra /usr/lib64 libraries (including the ones you posted earlier), but am not yet sure if the initial xcas complaint of missing libgmp.so.3.5.0 (and the symbolic link libgmp.so.3) requires the remainder of the libgmp*** libraries in your initial response. (Think I read somewhere of some developer of a different program using a static stand-alone libgmp.so.3 in his work.)

Bottom line is that this file's contents remove xcas complaints about missing libgmp.so.3 and libmpfr.so.1 when the uncompressed contents are added to /usr/lib64/.

Again, thank you.

-Roy

Edit: Okay -- guess I won't attach anything. Dragging the directory over the desktop/pinboard Zip icon doesn't do anything and I'm no good at CLI.

Thanks Roy. When I have time I'll examine xcas dependency again and include them in the xcas.sfs so that in the future you don't have to go through these hoops again - it should be just plug and go.

cheers!

[oui]

Hi

Thank you jamesbond

Hi oui, sorry I don't get your questions. Anyway, the native Fatdog64 version of gtklp is now in the repo.
zim looks a lot like notecase (which is included in Fatdog64). It's also in the repo now. You need to have both python and python-sqlite3 fix installed.

cheers!

links, NtEd:

I did also install on my PC the native Debian-ASM64 package (only download and open them with the puppy installer) for

- links (fast text only browser, usefull in forum, email service through browser, news paper with to much advertising ; elinks would be a bit better but has more dependences)

- NtEd (very light music sheet editor; has to be standard in all puppy's because children need music sheet in her education! I can't understand, that some one can considere a operating system complete without the ability to can to write music notation... but silly dilly games are standard!)

Zim, notecase, didiwiki:

Your comment conc. notecase: I don't know how notecase works. I use didiwiki and zim (came to me from SliTaz). Zim does the same thing as didiwiki but a lot more comfortable (because you can directly edit in the window where you are reading the text and because Zim interpretate CamelCase directly as internal link; zim supports also picture in the text and zim supports the use of more than one directory for the files so you can manage separate books of perso wiki pages so that you can easy distribute them to other in school, offices etc.. and zim has a build in calendar function) and needs no browser. Unfortunately the format of the individual doc's produced by didiwiki (didiwiki is really great because it works in console mode in links or elinks and offers facilities in console mode that you find only in text systems or browsers in graphic mode: bold, underlined and italic, so that the couple links + didiwiki is the superior solution to process texts in console mode as cups also works perfectly in links and console mode! so I would prefer the format of didiwiki and I am sad that the creator of zim didn't try to establish or respect some compatibility (* ) and zim are not compatible. I have now about 1000 sheets in zim format and it would be a really big job to adapt them back to the didiwiki format (and probably to the notecase format and I am happy to find zim in Puppy for this reason).

gexec:

is a great application starter and would have to be always in the tool bar near the icone ‘show desktop’! it has an option ‘run in terminal’. an analog option ‘run with 32 lib’ would be useful in a 64 bit system!

bye

(* 2 ways to do that: a. trim zim to accept to eat the doc's from didiwiki and process them, b. modify didiwiki to do the opposite! as zim don't works in console mode, the format of didiwiki seems for me more important as long as didiwiki doesn't accept an other format! I see that we don't have didiwiki for fatdog; the Debian package for AMD64 (SID) works pretty!


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