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Lucid Puppy 5.2 Official Release JAN 5 2011
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Feb 2011, 20:22    Post subject:  
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I tried Lupu 520 on my 600MHz 256MB computer,

What kind of cpu? Did Lucid 5.1.1 run any better? Can you try Wary? Is the Live-CD loading into ram--you can know because it takes a while and you can see the cd light spinning. You are entering 'puppy pfix=ram' at boot?

600MHz *is* slow--A typical computer of a year or two ago would have 4 cores at 3000MHz each--that would be, yikes, 20 times faster (potentially anyway). Lucid does concentrate on newer computers, with Wary for older ones.

Lucid has run on slower computers though. It *should* load into ram on a 256 MB ram machine--it does on my test machine, a 900MHz 256MB ram P3 Thinkpad.
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Feb 2011, 20:34    Post subject:  
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Seems like an important bug fix to a basic option for booting Puppy. Sure makes you wonder what is really going on if you boot a live CD with "puppy pfix=ram".

Yes Bigpup. The workaround is to rename any lupu-520.sfs on the hard disk. I know that is not ideal. The question is whether the fix is worth all the work it would take plus the hassle of everyone upgrading. Not right now is my answer.
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Feb 2011, 21:21    Post subject:  
Running it and posting from it on my laptop now via a frugal install...looks great! My favorite Puppy yet, and that is saying something...nice job! Cool
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Feb 2011, 21:56    Post subject:  
Thanks for instant update Playdayz Cool

Here is a tutorial for swapping out fbpanel for Tint2 in Lucid puppy:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=64572

cheers.
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Feb 2011, 22:28    Post subject:  
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Thanks for instant update Playdayz Cool

Here is a tutorial for swapping out fbpanel for Tint2 in Lucid puppy:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=64572

And thank you stu90 for all of the packages you have been making. IMHO software availability is hugely important in offering a Puppy that is usable and useful to people. The only "problem" is that I can't hardly keep up with you Wink

But these new ones will be in PPM asap. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 01:13    Post subject:  
playdayz wrote:
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I tried Lupu 520 on my 600MHz 256MB computer,

What kind of cpu? Did Lucid 5.1.1 run any better? Can you try Wary? Is the Live-CD loading into ram--you can know because it takes a while and you can see the cd light spinning. You are entering 'puppy pfix=ram' at boot?

600MHz *is* slow--A typical computer of a year or two ago would have 4 cores at 3000MHz each--that would be, yikes, 20 times faster (potentially anyway). Lucid does concentrate on newer computers, with Wary for older ones.

Lucid has run on slower computers though. It *should* load into ram on a 256 MB ram machine--it does on my test machine, a 900MHz 256MB ram P3 Thinkpad.


I've tested all of the Lupu/Lucid releases on my old P3 test box (733 Mhz/ 256 Mb ram w/ 1 Gb swap) and it's perhaps a bit slower than 4.31 but not enough to make a real difference to me.
I did a test install of one of the later Luci's on a 500 Mhz Celeron w/128 Mb ram (512 Mb swap) and it doesn't run half bad.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 02:24    Post subject:  
Lucid 5.2 in PCWorld.

Good glowing report about Lucid 5.2. All good comments.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/216488/for_an_old_or_slow_pc_try_puppy_linux_52.html
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 03:45    Post subject:  
James C wrote:
playdayz wrote:
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I tried Lupu 520 on my 600MHz 256MB computer,

What kind of cpu? Did Lucid 5.1.1 run any better? Can you try Wary? Is the Live-CD loading into ram--you can know because it takes a while and you can see the cd light spinning. You are entering 'puppy pfix=ram' at boot?

600MHz *is* slow--A typical computer of a year or two ago would have 4 cores at 3000MHz each--that would be, yikes, 20 times faster (potentially anyway). Lucid does concentrate on newer computers, with Wary for older ones.

Lucid has run on slower computers though. It *should* load into ram on a 256 MB ram machine--it does on my test machine, a 900MHz 256MB ram P3 Thinkpad.


I've tested all of the Lupu/Lucid releases on my old P3 test box (733 Mhz/ 256 Mb ram w/ 1 Gb swap) and it's perhaps a bit slower than 4.31 but not enough to make a real difference to me.
I did a test install of one of the later Luci's on a 500 Mhz Celeron w/128 Mb ram (512 Mb swap) and it doesn't run half bad.


I can beat that - lupu runs fine on my Thinkpad 600 with a 266MHz PII and just 196MB ram with a 2GB swap partition. Not lightning fast but perfectly usable for surfing the net....manual frugal install. Certainly much much much quicker than XP Wink
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gerry

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 03:57    Post subject:  
My cpu is Intel Celeron Coppermine 600MHz. Wary runs fine, but not quite as fast as 431. What is puzzling is that other people are reporting good performance on slower machines.

And where is all that cpu time going if it is not listed by Top? The processes listed by Top add up to less than 10% of cpu time.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 05:02    Post subject:  
Yes and no I had to update the ppm thing first build some database it told me, took some 30 minutes to do. Smile Maybe it was needed but it was impossible to install the first one I found, tested with three resposities and after it the update of database it just worked.

Have to run now can not test until some six hours from now. will be away.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 06:40    Post subject:  
Thanks for the instant update!
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 12:04    Post subject:  
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es and no I had to update the ppm thing first build some database it told me,

Nooby, To update just the puppy-lucid repo (which is all you really need) use Quickpet -> More Pets -> Update Lupu PPM. It's very fast.

stu90, I made Fotowall into a pet and added to PPM.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid/Fotowall-1.0-Lucid52.pet
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 18:28    Post subject:  
Well, having got fed up with trying to get Lupu 520 to perform at faster than a snail's pace on the old, slow, 600MHz 256MB machine, I took my life in my hands and put the cd into my wife's P4 3GHz 512MB machine. Booted fast, and the Personalise panel appeared. Started to select a UK keyboard-- and it crashed! No response to Control-alt-backspace, no response to anything, so it was time for the shiny button on front of the computer. Then I had to reboot, get the cd out, and check that Windows was still working before I got turned out of the house.

This Lupu thing is getting dangerous...

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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 20:59    Post subject: I am wrong I thinnk about pfix=ram and MultiPUP  
Jasper wrote:
Hi bigpup,
If you try puppyluvr's MultiPup version 1.0 (with just Lupu 5.2 if you wish) I believe the code he uses will eliminate the problem. ... My regards
I going to go out on a limb here in trying to help. As I understand it, the pfix=ram is a problem in base SFS that come with the Puppy system(s). Without the "fix", a Puppy derivative may have the problem that was surfaced.

I am not sure that MultiPUP (which I like and use) FIXES a problem in the Puppy Boot process that exists within a distro's SFS. That's NOT my understanding that somehow MultiPUP goes into your SFS and applies a fix.

I wonder, am I wrong on this?
Hope this helps
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Feb 2011, 21:17    Post subject: Common problem  
I believe that I had commented many months ago about the need to identtify a "target" system that a Puppy distro should acceptably run on.
I thnk @Gerry exhibits the reason such a publish should be added to every disto's announcement. (At least processor and memory).

Although his problem may, well indeed, be a problem with his CD's burn, it would be good for him to know if his LiveCD is suited for his hardware system.

This post is NOT a complaint. Just something for us to consider if its useful to do so.

Hope this helps.
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