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hondasid


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 03:49    Post subject:  Barebones Lucid 5.01
Subject description: For those of us who miss the "old way" of building puplets
 

I have missed building puplets from barebones since the squashfs change and Woof builds made Pet-Be-Gone, Unleashed, and Barebones obsolete. I may be the only one but I wanted a barebones with the new kernel to build from, without the built in files that come with Puppy official releases. So here it is, I hope everyone enjoys.

I only removed applications listed on the menu and libraries specific to those applications, so if you wanted a stock application, re-installing them from the repos should work fine.

This ISO was tested in QEMU and as a frugal install. I found no problems other than Viewnior need to be installed from the puppy 4 repos for Nathan wallpaper to work.

It is 91.8 MB, 36.3 MB smaller than standard Lucid 5.01.

If there are any problems please post them here. I am curious to know if my "new" way of building barebones puplets is a success.

FileDropper: http://www.filedropper.com/barebones-lucid-501

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nooby

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 08:11    Post subject:  

I make a frugal install and tell you the result within some 30 minutes Smile

Writing using your Barebone now. Did a Firefox pet install so now I only need Viewnior and GM player and Geany? to be complete Smile

Works good did connect me to internet which many of the lite puppies totally fail.

So that is good.

But don't get angry on me now.


I prefer IceWm due to it show pictures and all programs screens in 1024x768 while JWM show it in 1024x600 even if one have 1024x768 loaded and the Hardware info says it is 1024x768 too.

Correction

I can install a iceWM pet in Think Linux puppy, I had never done such before

I had to log out to prompt and do startx icewm

If I find an iceWM compatible with lupu501 then how do I get it to always boot automatically. Does one have to add some script to the start up sequence?

Can one tell the Kernel boot up in menu.lst to startx icewm on barebone?

I'm in barebone now and one need nosmp on Acer D250 so if others also fail to boot do try put that one on kernel in menu.lst

Edit

Maybe I derail your thread too much. I end here unless you know how to get icewm going easily on your pup?

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stu90


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 12:57    Post subject:  

Hi hondasid,

I will download and test tonight - if i am correct this is a puplet based on Lucid Puppy 5.1 and not Lucid Puppy 5.2?

Out of curiosity what process did you use to remove the built in packages?

cheers.
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 15:30    Post subject:  

nooby - I love icewm too but i left it out for size. It can easily be added, as u found out. To make it default, exit to the prompt, type xwin icewm. After it boots to the desktop it should be the default wm and will appear as such on the next reboot.

stu - Actually it is based on Lucid 5.01. I decided on this because the ndiswrapper seems to work better than 5.11 or 5.2. Also 5.2 gave me a few problems that i found out were reported already as bugs, so I decided to wait until a v1 or 2 is released.

The process I used involved manually removing all programs and their related files one by one using EditSFS and Pfind. It took me an entire day but I found it well worth it and a lot easier than Woof, Woofy, and T2.

I plan to make a barebones for all new kernel releases of Upup, Dpup, and Spup. I will be working on the Barebones Squeeze and Barebones Spup over the next week and will have them uploaded when they are finished.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 15:52    Post subject:  

Thanks that worked well.

Your barebone are much bigger than the very small ones like slitaz 35MB or something.

What is it that make them that small. Or TinyCore being say 10MB or so.

No criticism just curious.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 20:16    Post subject:  

Mostly the older kernel makes them smaller. Barebones puppy 4.21 was around 60 MB and it booted to a full x window, just no programs. The newer kernel (2.6.30 +) are fairly large by themselves with all the modules that have recently become available. Bare 5.01 is 91.8, which is roughly 25-30 MB extra from the last barebones release and it's mostly either libraries or kernel modules that make up the difference.
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Feb 2011, 22:48    Post subject:  

Thansk hondasid - Barebones Lucid installs and works ok here.

cheers.
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bignono1


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Feb 2011, 02:59    Post subject:  

Xine not working.
VLC works but does not support many formats.
Nathan wallpaper setter not working.(now it is working)
All the above tested running puppy from CD.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Feb 2011, 03:14    Post subject:  

Check the first post. I said that viewnior is required for Nathan to work.

Xine and VLC will play but the xine libs must also be installed as well as gstreamer and a few other lib sets. If you r using this for building, check console output. If a pkg wont work, it's probably because I removed a lib for space. Track it down and install it.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Feb 2011, 03:24    Post subject:  

GOOD ON YOU hondasid.

I look forward to using your cutdowns as bases for slim workhorse puplets. Thanks for your efforts!

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Feb 2011, 03:35    Post subject:  

Well done hondasid .
I might do a full install.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Feb 2011, 08:52    Post subject:  

I'll try this one, let's see the difference between pupgo and barebones Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Feb 2011, 14:40    Post subject:  

Man, there is a huge difference between this and pupngo. Pupngo is way smaller than barebones 5, uses an older kernel, and doesn't support squash4. This barebones is designed to roughly follow the guidelines of the barebones 4 series. A functional Puppy with almost no programs.

Also I have discovered that Opera and Transmission do not work properly when added to this build. Opera will not recognize a flash plugin and Transmission will not start, giving no errors in the console. I will be working on fixing these issues, but until that time, I recommend using a different browser and torrent client. If you don't use flash, then Opera is probably the fastest browser I have used in Barebones. Other than the flash, it works amazing.

I recommend using QBittorrent. Works great in Puppy and has a nice interface that is set in GTK theme.

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Sit Heel Speak


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Feb 2011, 18:44    Post subject:  

hondasid wrote:
Opera and Transmission do not work properly when added to this build.

Flash in Opera works, if you supply the missing libraries from Seamonkey, see
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=493709#493709

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Feb 2011, 18:54    Post subject:  

Barebones works good on my Acer D250. I use IceWM for to get 1024x768

It connects to internet which I don't remember that pUpnGo do.

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