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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jan 2011, 23:58    Post subject:  
I'm not sure if this is a bug report or more likely just acknowledgement of my ignorance of dynamic device setup.

The /dev/.udev/db directory _appears_ to be pre-populated with broken symlinks

I don't know whether they are supposed to be this way but it all still works, as adding a usb flash drive added the appropriate entries:
block:sdb
block:sdb1
usb_device:usbdev2.2
usb:2-1
(all with apparently broken symlinks and a working flash drive)

Not a bug - just a little disconcerting. Now I see further why people complain about udev being finicky.... if only mdev could handle more nuances
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 00:47    Post subject: Re: Wary's Firefox removes Seamonkey and takes its icon
Subject description: issues with Firefox 3.6.9 for Wary's installation defaults		  
technosaurus wrote:
otropogo wrote:
Have just discovered that I can no longer access Seamonkey 1.02, which came as the default browser with Wary5.

Now, when I click on the globe icon, instead of Seamonkey, Firefox opens.

When I look in the apps menu, both Firefox and Seamonkey Web Browser have tabs under INTERNET, but both of them open Firefox..

I'm also having a problem with Firefox not remembering my passwords. It remembers my username when I type in the first letter on the Murga login field, but not the password. Nor does it offer me an opportunity to "remember" it (again).


Seamonkey-1.0.2 was released in June 2006 before wary was even started - what distro/os/time machine are you using? (must be one of Lobster's time travel puplets)





Thanks for the irrelevant NITPICK. Yes I got the Seamonkey version wrong.

Nevertheless, I downloaded Wary_500.iso using the links in Barry's blog, and that's what I'm reporting on. Clicking on the globe icon brought up Seamonkey , which I recognized immediately, since I've been running it for many months on Puppy 4.3.1.

I downloaded the Firefox 3.6.9 pet and dependencies using Wary5's pet manager.

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You installed a pet that was set up to become the default browser and it worked as expected, unfortunately both firefox and seamonkey are mozilla products and use the same script to start


That may be, but it's certainly a bug in my book. There was certainly nothing to warn me that installing the Firefox pet would remove Seamonkey. I've downloaded Firefox pets to Puppy previously, and Seamonkey continued to run when I called it from the Internet menu.

And if it's a design choice and not just a stupid mistake, why is the Seamonkey Web Browser tab still sitting in my INTERNET MENU, alongside the Firefox tab, with both of them calling the same app?

....
thanks for all the technical advice, but my understanding has always been that Puppy is a simple turnkey OS, that doesn't require major technical intervention from the user to run or configure mainstream apps, like browsers.

When I install an app, I don't expect it to replace any and every prexisting app for the same function by default. I expect it to at least ask. And I certainly don't expect it to disable access to competing apps without my consent. The fact that Seamonkey is also a Mozilla browser no excuse. It's even conceivable I might want to use different versions of Firefox interchangeably.

I find your response churlish.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 01:33    Post subject: Re: More Wary5 LiveCD issues save issues
Subject description: shutdown offers invalid option, then crashes, provides incomplete file save info		  
otropogo wrote:

So - does anyone know how I can at least get the UFRAW plugin for Gimp installed on Wary? Otherwise, I'm afraid this has all been a waste of time for me.


Ok as Ufraw plugin goes only a few people would actually make a package for that, I think I did when series 3 came out many moons ago.
I don't think you need the Script FU python to be working, If Script FU isn't needed then yes its possible, If not then a complete recompile of gimp would have to be made with python included, I only made a gimp with python once before for another well talented puppy artist, on series 4, If you can read-up and see if FU is needed or not would be a great start and next time I bootup Wary I'll compile it, it takes about 5-7 other libraries to get that plugin working
like dcdraw, exiv2, lensfun, ufraw, cfitsio etc.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 01:51    Post subject: Re: Wary's Firefox removes Seamonkey and takes its icon
Subject description: issues with Firefox 3.6.9 for Wary's installation defaults		  
otropogo wrote:


And if it's a design choice and not just a stupid mistake, why is the Seamonkey Web Browser tab still sitting in my INTERNET MENU, alongside the Firefox tab, with both of them calling the same app?
....

I find your response churlish.

hmm I'm not using Wary right now but if you install this fix and make sure that Firefox is located in usr/lib/firefox if it has a number on it then just right click on the folder with the number and choose systemlink and call it firefox.
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/root/.mozilla/firefox <-- Hidden folder in root, press the eye at the top of rox to reveal it. just in case you already had a different version installed/uninstalled and its keeping the older configs that will case you stability issues.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 03:52    Post subject: Re: Wary's Firefox removes Seamonkey and takes its icon
Subject description: issues with Firefox 3.6.9 for Wary's installation defaults		  
otropogo wrote:
I find your response churlish.
hmm... I was _trying_ to be civil despite the condescending attitude in your string of almost incoherent "bug reports"

To report a bug that you actually _want_ to get fixed (not just to gripe) try this format at a minimum

    A. Distro-version, software-version (and where you got it)

    B. What steps will reproduce the problem?
    1.
    2.
    3.

    C. What is the expected output? What do you see instead?

    D. <Please use labels, text and images to provide additional information here>


further reading
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http://www.softwaretestinghelp.com/how-to-write-good-bug-report/ <<pay attention to #6 in the bonus section
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 07:45    Post subject:    
People having Chromium running under Wary 5: did you try printing?

This is what I get:

Quote:
[15794:15794:17996167829:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `expand'
[15794:15794:17996167891:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `fill'
[15794:15794:17996167915:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `padding'
[15794:15794:17996167938:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `pack-type'
[15794:15794:17996167960:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `position'
Segmentation fault


Maybe Wary 5 is not able running correctly Chromium or Iron by its architecture?

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 07:53    Post subject: Geany & PPM  
I installed Geany with PPM and have now decided to remove and now the weird part PPM confirms successfully removed but is still there and working fine
I tried installing and removing again but still the same.

Does PPM produce any logs, to investigate further?

This is on Wary 5 frugal install on a USBHD
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 09:52    Post subject:  
mave wrote:
People having Chromium running under Wary 5: did you try printing?

This is what I get:

Quote:
[15794:15794:17996167829:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `expand'
[15794:15794:17996167891:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `fill'
[15794:15794:17996167915:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `padding'
[15794:15794:17996167938:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `pack-type'
[15794:15794:17996167960:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(833)] Gtk: gtkwidget.c:2913: container class `(null)' has no child property named `position'
Segmentation fault


Maybe Wary 5 is not able running correctly Chromium or Iron by its architecture?

mave


I do not normally print from browsers but I have just tested Chromium 10 on Wary5 and confirm that it does not print for me either. The print job does not arrive at CUPS. I can print from other programs so this is definitely a Chromium bug.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 10:10    Post subject:  
The Chrome printing problem was discussed in Puppeee here. and jemimah has a patch. But I would exercise extreme caution in installing the patch in Wary.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 13:52    Post subject:  
technosaurus wrote:
I'm not sure if this is a bug report or more likely just acknowledgement of my ignorance of dynamic device setup.

The /dev/.udev/db directory _appears_ to be pre-populated with broken symlinks

I don't know whether they are supposed to be this way but it all still works, as adding a usb flash drive added the appropriate entries:
block:sdb
block:sdb1
usb_device:usbdev2.2
usb:2-1
(all with apparently broken symlinks and a working flash drive)

Not a bug - just a little disconcerting. Now I see further why people complain about udev being finicky.... if only mdev could handle more nuances
I see the same thing in 5.2.0
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:06    Post subject:  
rcrsn51 wrote:

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The Chrome printing problem was discussed in Puppeee here. and jemimah has a patch. But I would exercise extreme caution in installing the patch in Wary.


Thanks, this patch includes a pdftops, which is in Wary 5 not present and cannot be replaced. Copy this to /usr/lib/cups/filters ist not the solution.

But thanks to rcrsn51.

I didn't have problems with Iron under Lupu 5.2, Unfortunately this is not running under Wary 5.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 19:03    Post subject: Re: Wary's Firefox removes Seamonkey and takes its icon
Subject description: issues with Firefox 3.6.9 for Wary's installation defaults		  
technosaurus wrote:
otropogo wrote:
I find your response churlish.
hmm... I was _trying_ to be civil despite the condescending attitude in your string of almost incoherent "bug reports"

To report a bug that you actually _want_ to get fixed (not just to gripe) try this format at a minimum

    A. Distro-version, software-version (and where you got it)

    B. What steps will reproduce the problem?
    1.
    2.
    3.

    C. What is the expected output? What do you see instead?

    D. <Please use labels, text and images to provide additional information here>


further reading
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
http://www.softwaretestinghelp.com/how-to-write-good-bug-report/ <<pay attention to #6 in the bonus section


You brilliantly demonstrate what is arguably the most intractable and devastating problem with the entire Puppy project - the tendency of any report of problems and its author to be attacked and ridiculed on the slightest pretext, and to have the problem report itself trivialized or rejected outright because of some faulty etiquette.

In short, there is an epidemic of bad faith in this respect, and it practically insures that serious problems are underreported and/or never fixed.

As in most of these cases, all of the necessary information you claim to want is already there, if you weren't too lazy to read carefully. The fact that someone who has just spent several hours of frustrating effort because a supposedly thoroughly vetted "final" product behaves more like an alpha version is upset and may not use the most diplomatic language to describe his experience should not surprise or unduly put off any reasonable person.

You're not just throwing out the baby with the waswater - your tossing the baby and keeping the trash, by reducing a trouble report made in good faith and with considerable effort to nothing more than a flame war.
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jan 2011, 07:48    Post subject: firefox
Subject description: gmail not loading		  
Dear Barry

I have installed Wary Puppy 5.00 ( full HD) in my PC. Also installed Firefox 3.6 w5.pet provided by Barry. However, after installing I am not able to load gmail in firefox. However, I am getting gmail in Seamoney !!. What may be the problem?. This is first time I am getting this type of problem. In google-chrome also I am facing same problem. ie. no gmail.com. or even mail.yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jan 2011, 10:03    Post subject: Re: firefox
Subject description: gmail not loading		  
rameshiyer wrote:
Dear Barry

I have installed Wary Puppy 5.00 ( full HD) in my PC. Also installed Firefox 3.6 w5.pet provided by Barry. However, after installing I am not able to load gmail in firefox. However, I am getting gmail in Seamoney !!. What may be the problem?. This is first time I am getting this type of problem. In google-chrome also I am facing same problem. ie. no gmail.com. or even mail.yahoo.com


You're doing better than I am. When I installed the same Firefox pet (the one presented by the pet manager), it made itself the default browser, and took over both the browser icon and the Seamonkey Web Browser tab in the Internet menu (as well as creating it's own tab in that menu). So I lost the ability to access Seamonkey at all.

And when I reported this problem, Technosaurus suggested this was not a bug or a flaw, but a desing feature!

I gather you still have access to Seamonkey. Did you have to do anything to bring it back to default of the Internet menu?
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jan 2011, 10:34    Post subject: Re: firefox
Subject description: gmail not loading		  
otropogo wrote:
rameshiyer wrote:
Dear Barry

I have installed Wary Puppy 5.00 ( full HD) in my PC. Also installed Firefox 3.6 w5.pet provided by Barry. However, after installing I am not able to load gmail in firefox. However, I am getting gmail in Seamoney !!. What may be the problem?. This is first time I am getting this type of problem. In google-chrome also I am facing same problem. ie. no gmail.com. or even mail.yahoo.com


You're doing better than I am. When I installed the same Firefox pet (the one presented by the pet manager), it made itself the default browser, and took over both the browser icon and the Seamonkey Web Browser tab in the Internet menu (as well as creating it's own tab in that menu). So I lost the ability to access Seamonkey at all.

And when I reported this problem, Technosaurus suggested this was not a bug or a flaw, but a desing feature!

I gather you still have access to Seamonkey. Did you have to do any
thing to bring it back to default of the Internet menu?


did you try my fix I posted for you?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=487221#487221

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