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Lucid Puppy 5.2 Official Release JAN 5 2011
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 10:27    Post subject:  
chrismt wrote:
Is there a Pwireless app for Puppy 5.2?
I suppose you did look in the PPM?
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 11:12    Post subject:  
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My Question: for nVidia after PET installation, when I go to xorgwizard, would I "Probe" or "Select" as the correct steps?

Probe should work, but I always select to make sure the proper driver is selected. After that I select test to make sure the proper settings are made. Test also is the only way in xorgwizard to get the option to change refresh rate.

Yes. Good answer by Bigpup.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 12:43    Post subject:  
Robiwan says:

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Another question. Puppy would be the ideal distro for netbooks.


Jemimah as a Dev has done that with her version of puppy Asus eeepc type of Netbooks and that works rather good for Acer and HP and such too.

Look for Puppeee and Fluppy both these works well while Lupu52 does not on my Acer.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 13:03    Post subject:  


New Puppy 5.2 video promo
http://youtu.be/2MdpoaWZbCg

Used Openshot, sound recorded on my compact video camera
Not sure what the music is or who the mermaid is.

Just playing around in Lucid . . .
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 15:28    Post subject: Re: Unable to correctly remaster LiveCD in Lucid Puppy 5.2  
Jim1911 wrote:
This is probably not a bug. During the remaster, you are given the opportunity to assure that the root directory files are what you desire. It is important that you check them. The best way to assure that you have all your customization is to delete the temporary root directory and copy your entire root directory into the temporary folder. Then carefully delete from the new temporary root directory the items that you do not want in the remaster.


Thanks Jim and Playdayz. Copying everything from /root into the temporary folder was the problem. I guess that I didn't completely understand the instructions as far as what gets copied automatically, and what has to be moved manually. An FAQ on this would be a good resource.

Interestingly, fixing this problem has revealed another mystery! Before burning the CD I saved the image as an iso, and then mounted the iso and looked inside the sfs files to make sure that my customizations were in there - and they were. So I burned the CD, so far so good.

But when I tried to test the CD on the same system on which I created it, booting from the CD DOES NOT SHOW ANY OF THE /root CUSTOMIZATIONS. The boot process "knows" that this system already has puppy on it, and asks me which lupusave.3fs to load, with 0 being the choice for "none". There are several on this machine, since it is set up with several "frugal" boot choices in grub.

Now since the CD does not have a lupusave.3fs (or 2fs for that matter) file on it, and all my customizations are on the CD in the lupu_520.sfs file, I would expect those to show up when I choose "none". However, they do not. All I see is the original desktop without any of the /root file changes such as wallpaper, desktop icons, etc. pfix=ram does not change this behavior. I was afraid to try pfix=clean or purge thinking that it might trash my "good" setups.

Now when I tried booting the CD on another machine that has never had puppy installed on it, *poof* like magic all my customizations show up, from from the first live boot. Wallpaper, icons, custom scripts in the /root directory, everything.

I'm not saying that this behavior is good/bad/a bug/or a feature, but it is somewhat surprising and I'd like to understand it. Can either of you or anyone explain to me what is going on? It seems that choosing "none" for the lupusave.3fs file somehow creates it's own "/root" that hides the /root on the CD in the lupu_520.sfs file.

Very surprising, at least to me.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 18:03    Post subject: Re: Unable to correctly remaster LiveCD in Lucid Puppy 5.2  
amc wrote:

Interestingly, fixing this problem has revealed another mystery! Before burning the CD I saved the image as an iso, and then mounted the iso and looked inside the sfs files to make sure that my customizations were in there - and they were. So I burned the CD, so far so good.

But when I tried to test the CD on the same system on which I created it, booting from the CD DOES NOT SHOW ANY OF THE /root CUSTOMIZATIONS. The boot process "knows" that this system already has puppy on it, and asks me which lupusave.3fs to load, with 0 being the choice for "none". There are several on this machine, since it is set up with several "frugal" boot choices in grub.

Now since the CD does not have a lupusave.3fs (or 2fs for that matter) file on it, and all my customizations are on the CD in the lupu_520.sfs file, I would expect those to show up when I choose "none". However, they do not. All I see is the original desktop without any of the /root file changes such as wallpaper, desktop icons, etc. pfix=ram does not change this behavior. I was afraid to try pfix=clean or purge thinking that it might trash my "good" setups.

Now when I tried booting the CD on another machine that has never had puppy installed on it, *poof* like magic all my customizations show up, from from the first live boot. Wallpaper, icons, custom scripts in the /root directory, everything.

I'm not saying that this behavior is good/bad/a bug/or a feature, but it is somewhat surprising and I'd like to understand it. Can either of you or anyone explain to me what is going on? It seems that choosing "none" for the lupusave.3fs file somehow creates it's own "/root" that hides the /root on the CD in the lupu_520.sfs file.

Very surprising, at least to me.
Thanks,
-Aaron


I just went through a similar mystery, so I might know the answer to yours...

When you first create a pupsave file, it asks you if you want it to copy lupu_520.sfs to the hard drive (or other media?). Once this is done, if puppy finds that file, it uses that one instead of copying the one from CD into RAM (even if the one on the hard drive is not the same as the one on the CD).

Search your hard drive (or other media?) for lupu_520.sfs and delete it. In my case, it was located in a directory named something like "l5201101.043".
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 18:36    Post subject:  
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I just went through a similar mystery, so I might know the answer to yours...

When you first create a pupsave file, it asks you if you want it to copy lupu_520.sfs to the hard drive (or other media?). Once this is done, if puppy finds that file, it uses that one instead of copying the one from CD into RAM (even if the one on the hard drive is not the same as the one on the CD).

Good answer. That has happened to me also. One clue is that the lupu-520.sfs loads very quickly (because it is being copied from the hard disk rather than the CD).
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 20:15    Post subject: LiveCD or frugal  
playdayz wrote:
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I just went through a similar mystery, so I might know the answer to yours...

When you first create a pupsave file, it asks you if you want it to copy lupu_520.sfs to the hard drive (or other media?). Once this is done, if puppy finds that file, it uses that one instead of copying the one from CD into RAM (even if the one on the hard drive is not the same as the one on the CD).

Good answer. That has happened to me also. One clue is that the lupu-520.sfs loads very quickly (because it is being copied from the hard disk rather than the CD).
I don't remember seeing this on LiveDVD? How does this happen? Is it because I am saving to the DVD that I don't see that option to save?

Which leads to a 2nd set of questions: If by accident a LiveCD user makes the mistake and saves a session to the HDD instead of the LiveCD, the system now has prior saved sessions on the LiveCD, AND it has the current saved session on the HDD, what is the expected behavior when the LiveCD user reboots ? (Assume, here, he does NO KEYBOARDING at system startup.)

Curious. Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 20:45    Post subject: GPRS USB modems failing to connect in Lupu 5.2
Subject description: GPRS USB modems failing to connect, usb-modeswitch does not work		  
Hi guys. I have downloaded Lupu 5.2, it is now running off a multisession live-cd on another linux box I have. I wish I could have written these words using Lupu 5.2, but instead I use my beloved dpup484beta4-2.6.30.5 live-cd, the Lupu will not connect to the net! I hope the fact that I am not contributing to making Puppylinux better myself, will exclude me from making some remarks. I had a posting regarding the USB stick modems that come with dual functionality, thanks to the internal memory built into these modems. They come with windoze-only software installed in their memory, but they require the use of 'usb-modeswitch' to be useful in Linux. I am a little surprised that those of you that have developed the 5.2 version, haven't sat down and read through the forum outside the pages dealing with development of this version, a quick search for 'lupu 5.1' or any earlier version, would at least have picked up some of the frustration around wireless modems in general, and in particular regarding the dual functionality USB modems, this shoud have been fixed by now. My post about how I managed to connect with dpup484, and also with Quirky 1.2 after some extra installations, but failed with lupu 5.1.1, contains a lot of details on how I did it, and it can be read here:
I made the ZTE MF636 USB modem work in dpup484beta4-2.6.30.5.

I hope you can fix it for the next version of Lupu, until then dpup484beta4-2.6.30.5 rules! With the 'Stardust' icons and gorgeous bakground pics, it is also the best looking Linux distro so far - sorry, but Lupu still sucks!
And whatever happened to the control panel, and the lock, save, trash and zip icons from dpup?

Another small thing; in Lupu 5.2 there are small icons in the pop-up menu when clicking the menu button, but none in he menu that I open by right-clicking in the window. That right?

Tallboy.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 21:33    Post subject:  
Right click menu is openbox and the task bar menu i think is fbpanel - if you want icons on both task bar menu and right click menu use the window manager switcher and change it to JWM.

oh and by the way, Lupu Ruels!!
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 21:42    Post subject:  
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it is also the best looking Linux distro so far


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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jan 2011, 23:46    Post subject:  
Hi stu90. i tried switching window manager to jwm, but then it put the sr0 disk drive icon on top of one of the hard drive icons, and when switching back to openbox, it remained in the same spot! Shocked

Hi runnt21, not bad at all, but I still think the dpup was the best 'right out of the box', the 'Stardust' icons are detailed and more business-like. I find the icons used in Lupu more modern perhaps, but still think they are a bit childish... Cool

Hmm, maybe I should try out that console-only distro, I think they include a hammer and chisel for the keyboard!

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jan 2011, 07:02    Post subject: Re: LiveCD or frugal  
gcmartin wrote:

I don't remember seeing this on LiveDVD? How does this happen? Is it because I am saving to the DVD that I don't see that option to save?

I do not know, maybe if you choose multi-session CD/DVD, it just assumes that you do not want it to store anything on your hard drives?

gcmartin wrote:

Which leads to a 2nd set of questions: If by accident a LiveCD user makes the mistake and saves a session to the HDD instead of the LiveCD, the system now has prior saved sessions on the LiveCD, AND it has the current saved session on the HDD, what is the expected behavior when the LiveCD user reboots ? (Assume, here, he does NO KEYBOARDING at system startup.)

I haven't tried using a multi-session CD/DVD or DVD-RW/CD-RW, but I do have multiple pupsave files on my hard drive. In this case, puppy pauses during boot and asks you which pupsave file (or none) to use (AFAIK, it will not continue booting until you choose).. I imagine your scenario would result in similar behavior. BTW: With multi-session CD/DVD, does it ask you where to save every time you reboot/shutdown? ...and what happens when your CD/DVD runs out of space?
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jan 2011, 07:28    Post subject: Re: GPRS USB modems failing to connect in Lupu 5.2
Subject description: GPRS USB modems failing to connect, usb-modeswitch does not work		  
tallboy wrote:
Hi guys. I have downloaded Lupu 5.2, it is now running off a multisession live-cd on another linux box I have. I wish I could have written these words using Lupu 5.2, but instead I use my beloved dpup484beta4-2.6.30.5 live-cd, the Lupu will not connect to the net! I hope the fact that I am not contributing to making Puppylinux better myself, will exclude me from making some remarks. I had a posting regarding the USB stick modems that come with dual functionality, thanks to the internal memory built into these modems. They come with windoze-only software installed in their memory, but they require the use of 'usb-modeswitch' to be useful in Linux. I am a little surprised that those of you that have developed the 5.2 version, haven't sat down and read through the forum outside the pages dealing with development of this version, a quick search for 'lupu 5.1' or any earlier version, would at least have picked up some of the frustration around wireless modems in general, and in particular regarding the dual functionality USB modems, this shoud have been fixed by now. My post about how I managed to connect with dpup484, and also with Quirky 1.2 after some extra installations, but failed with lupu 5.1.1, contains a lot of details on how I did it, and it can be read here:
I made the ZTE MF636 USB modem work in dpup484beta4-2.6.30.5.


I totally agree with Tallboy. One thing that is going to put people off Puppy is not being able to connect to the internet. It is one area where you can't even report your problems when they happen. In this respect 5.2 downgraded from 5.11. I thought one of the goals was to be able to work of the box? Seems that improvements one version of Puppy isn't getting through to another.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jan 2011, 09:07    Post subject:  
I tested no less than 6 usb modems of different kinds/carriers and no problem at all connecting with pupdial. Gprs connect is for phones. Where would you get the thought it is for 3G? Rolling Eyes
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