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Lucid Puppy 5.2 Official Release JAN 5 2011
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Béèm


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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 12:41    Post subject:  

sszindian wrote:
Now... I can do a inital install of 519 when I hookup a different HD and there are no problems, it's ONLY on the upgrade where this happens.
Upgrading is still the black sheep with puppy.
A certain moment, I upgraded also from beta to beta and Barry told me not to do this and only attempt to do an upgrade from release to release.

It would be nice to know what playdayz thinks about this.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 13:15    Post subject:  

As I vaguely remember Barry gave very clear explanations why it could fail to do such updates on his blog.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 13:29    Post subject:  

Quote:
Upgrading is still the black sheep with puppy.
A certain moment, I upgraded also from beta to beta and Barry told me not to do this and only attempt to do an upgrade from release to release.

It would be nice to know what playdayz thinks about this.


Man o man, I am doing updates over and over Wink

1. Fresh installs don't have any update problems Wink
2. Live CD updates of the lupusave file seem to not have problems.
3. Full install updates seem to be OK also (more testing coming up)
4. Frugal updates are the black sheep.
Before any attempt at a frugal update--***Back up the lupusave file***
Manual frugal update--Copy the new files into an existing Lupu folder or, copy the lupusave file into a folder that you have just created by doing a frugal install. This fails some percentage of the time for unknown reasons.
Automatic frugal update--no such thing. If you boot a LiveCd it will find and update a lupusave file .but it will not update the grub bootloader men, and it won't copy the lupu-xxx.sfs into the folder with the lupusave file. You will end up doing manual file copy anyway.

I am trying to compile some tips for updating.

Updating release to release would be smoother probably because updating is tested more in the release.
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Before any attempt at an update, uninstall LXDE if it is installed.
After upgrade, Sylpheed -> Configuration -> Common Preferences -> Details -> External Commands -> Web browser -> sensible-browser '%s' This enables the Sylpheed Help.


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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 14:13    Post subject:  

Thanks playdayz to confirm there are no upgrade problems with Lucid.
Since the remark from Barry, I only do fresh installs.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 14:16    Post subject:  

I installed 519 as FRUGAL Lin'N'Win as usual. (last install was 516).
Could it be that 519 is snappier then 516? At least I have that impression.
Then it is a nice New Year's gift. Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 14:26    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
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Manual upgrade of frugal install from 511 to 519.
Booted into Openbox as expected, internet, sound and display good. No Icewm, unable to start.
"Exit to prompt" in the menu....does nothing. The only widget able to run is the clock.

That 511 was using icewm, right? That is exactly the behavior if the file /etc/windowmanager is not changed to openbox. For 520 we have a different method--but I will be able to check before release. Thanks.

"Manual" frugal update means moving the lupusave.2fs into a directory with the new2 519 files, (or vice versa), am I right?

Ah, did you have lxde installed by any chance?


Lets see..... Yes, 511 was using icewm.
I copied the existing 511 lupusave.2fs into a directory with the new vmlinuz,initrd.gz and lupu_519.sfs. Booted into 519 and upgraded.
No, didn't have lxde installed.

Testing.... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 14:28    Post subject:  

here's a file manager I've never liked,lol I like icons for folders , not just text.
emelfm2 2 pane file manager.
lots of settings under the configuration and select advanced.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 14:48    Post subject:
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ttuuxxx,
Thanks for emelfm2-0.7.4. This is one of my favorite file managers. Smile

I wonder if you would consider making a pet of tuxcommander 0.6.70 for Lucid-5.2. The Debian and Ubuntu tuxcmd packages work great in Lucid-5.1, but return a runtime error in recent beta releases of Lucid-5.2.
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 15:34    Post subject:  

as I was compiling a package it couldn't find config.guess and config.sub so I went to /usr/share/automake-1.11 and sure enough it wasn't there and so I compiled it and it was there, So I made a new automake-1.11.pet that has all the parts plus it has a couple system links that are needed by some apps when compiling, basically it make the devX more universal and stable.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 17:17    Post subject:  

Sylvander wrote:
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3. Lupu seems to be able to do the following perfectly when most other Puppies don't:
i.e. ALL partitions [of connected/powered devices] are being detected and displayed on the desktop. Very Happy Cool

Usually, that is the case. However, I have one case that bucks this smooth operation.
I connect a backup 250gb USB drive to my laptop Dell Latitude D400. The connection is done via a 1.1 USB hub. When the drive is powered up, the drive's partitions icons come up fine after any clean puppy boot. However, when I click on one of these icons, to mount, these USB drive partition icons disappear and the "mount" dialog box comes up. When I power down the USB drive and back up, the drive's partition icons appear and I can mount them normally (by clicking on the partition icon). It's an issue with mounting a USB drive, during a boot.
It's important to note that the laptop's internal ATA drive's partitions exhibit no such behavior. When these partitions come up, on a boot, they behave as expected.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 17:24    Post subject:  

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... and it won't copy the lupu-xxx.sfs into the folder with the lupusave file. You will end up doing manual file copy anyway

Why won't it copy the lupu-*.sfs file? Is there a good reason?

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 17:40    Post subject:
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radky wrote:
ttuuxxx,
Thanks for emelfm2-0.7.4. This is one of my favorite file managers. Smile

I wonder if you would consider making a pet of tuxcommander 0.6.70 for Lucid-5.2. The Debian and Ubuntu tuxcmd packages work great in Lucid-5.1, but return a runtime error in recent beta releases of Lucid-5.2.
Thanks.

Hi I spent a couple of hours on it, it uses freepascal compiler which is a very large pain on puppy, Its about 50 packages that you have to compile and install, I did the ones that were actually needed and then still had errors, so then I tried all ubuntu packages and the same, then I tried a precompiled bin and it worked just fine, So here's a link to it, just click on it and extract it then click on the bin. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tuxcmd/tuxcmd-0.6.70-bin-i386.tar.bz2?download
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 18:15    Post subject:  

Quote:
Thanks for emelfm2-0.7.4. This is one of my favorite file managers. Smile


Good deal. I will replace the one in PPM. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 18:19    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx, I understand automake going into the devx. I still need to know if your cmake is a replacement or a supplement. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jan 2011, 18:23    Post subject:  

Quote:
Lets see..... Yes, 511 was using icewm.
I copied the existing 511 lupusave.2fs into a directory with the new vmlinuz,initrd.gz and lupu_519.sfs. Booted into 519 and upgraded.
No, didn't have lxde installed.

JamesC, did you use the patch 01micko sent you?
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