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playdayz


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 20:54    Post subject:  
Lupu-515 Beta

Two new things in Quickpet:
1. Big button to install the Gnu C Compiler, aka, the devx.
2. Menu item under More Pets to download the latest update of the content of the puppy-lucid repo without having to wait for all the very slow Ubuntu databases.

Also, browser-default 3.1; midori and cups one and forever; alsaconf reverted and it works again; countrywizard linked to countrywizard.qs; lib9660-dev to devx; libdb4-8 (please check if your program uses it).
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 21:02    Post subject:  
And another thing. I have been using grub4dos and it has been working nicely. It seems like a luxury even though I have no trouble making menu.lst files manually but that seems like a huge and unfair hurdle for first time users.

But as shinobar has said, the name 'grub4dos' implies that it is 'for dos' not for linux. So what if we changed the names to

Grub config - manual (or, Grub bootloader config - manual)
and
Grub config -auto (or, Grub bootloader config - auto)

and when the Universal Installer told them to go to Grub, they could make a choice. Newbies would probably choose auto and have good success with it. Thank you.
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shinobar


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 21:10    Post subject: pinstall.sh for woof and normal  
01micko wrote:
ah yes, Barry modifies the pinstall.sh for woof
It is to do with the current working directory which for obvious reasons is not "/"
(snip)
The important part is up the top
Code:
if [ ! "`pwd`" = "/" ];then

But really there should be an "else" here for normal installation.

Thanks, micko.
Then, if we like to do both with woof and normal, we can simply add dot(.) with no condition, right?
Quote:
#!/bin/sh
QSPROG=/usr/sbin/countrywizard.qs
[ -s .$QSPROG ] || exit
rm -f ./tmp/firstrun
for P in /usr/sbin/countrywizard /usr/sbin/xrandrshell; do
[ -s .$P -a ! -L .$P ] && cp -f .$P .$P.org
rm -f .$P
ln -sf $QSPROG .$P
done
# some old version (Puppy-4.2x etc) corrupts by the comment line
if grep -q '#.*LANG=' ./etc/profile; then
sed -e 's/#.*LANG=/#LANG:/g' ./etc/profile > /tmp/profile
[ -s /tmp/profile ] && mv -f /tmp/profile ./etc/profile
fi
# LupQ has extralang conflicts with firstrun
[ -x ./root/Startup/extralang -a -x ./root/Startup/fullstart ] && chmod -x ./root/Startup/extralang

Humm... not so simple Confused
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 21:55    Post subject:
Subject description: easy,fast setup		  
This puppy is very easy and fast to setup. It configured my desktop correctly,all I had to do was select my timezone. Then it refreshed and a network box came up and my wireless was shown. Clicked on it and everything was ready. I used a stopwatch-it took 1:57 for all that from a cold boot-fastest I have ever seen.
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01micko


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:05    Post subject:  
Hi shino

maybe like this,
Code:
if [ ! "`pwd`" = "/" ];then
QSPROG=./usr/sbin/countrywizard.qs
[ -s $QSPROG ] || exit
rm -f /tmp/firstrun
for P in ./usr/sbin/countrywizard  ./usr/sbin/xrandrshell; do
 [ -s $P -a ! -L $P ] && cp -f $P $P.org
 rm -f $P
 ln -sf $QSPROG $P
done
#next part not needed, pristine build from woof (I think)
# some old version (Puppy-4.2x etc) corrupts by the comment line
#if grep -q '#.*LANG=' /etc/profile; then
#  sed -e 's/#.*LANG=/#LANG:/g' /etc/profile > /tmp/profile
#  [ -s /tmp/profile ] && mv -f /tmp/profile /etc/profile
#fi
# LupQ has extralang conflicts with firstrun
#[ -x /root/Startup/extralang -a -x /root/Startup/fullstart ] && chmod -x /root/Startup/extralang
 else
QSPROG=/usr/sbin/countrywizard.qs
[ -s $QSPROG ] || exit
rm -f /tmp/firstrun
for P in /usr/sbin/countrywizard  /usr/sbin/xrandrshell; do
 [ -s $P -a ! -L $P ] && cp -f $P $P.org
 rm -f $P
 ln -sf $QSPROG $P
done
# some old version (Puppy-4.2x etc) corrupts by the comment line
if grep -q '#.*LANG=' /etc/profile; then
  sed -e 's/#.*LANG=/#LANG:/g' /etc/profile > /tmp/profile
  [ -s /tmp/profile ] && mv -f /tmp/profile /etc/profile
fi
# LupQ has extralang conflicts with firstrun
[ -x /root/Startup/extralang -a -x /root/Startup/fullstart ] && chmod -x /root/Startup/extralang
fi


Cheers..

EDIT, shino , I had a mistake, left the dots in the else statement Embarassed sorry!

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Oh the geany bug in preferences for executing, it shouldn't have the "term_cmd=" bit (515 Wink )

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shinobar


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:05    Post subject: countrywizard  
playdayz wrote:
countrywizard linked to countrywizard.qs

Thanks, playdayz. It is working.
Now we can delete 3 items from the menu.
  • Chooselocale-country-localisation.desktop
  • Set-hwclock-type.desktop
  • Set-timezone.desktop
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radky

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:07    Post subject:
Subject description: Changing the clock format in Lupu-515 Beta		  
playdayz and 01micko ,

When I boot Lupu-515 by live CD, changing the FBPanel clock format with PupClockset now fails (at least initially). This is reproducible after rebooting multiple times. However, if I reboot and immediately restart fbpanel by running fixmenus (or pfbpanel refresh), then PupClockset works properly. This behavior is new since Luci-246.

Any thoughts?
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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:17    Post subject:  
Lupu-515 live pfix ram on the main Linux box.Only problem, the dreaded sound muted on boot. Smile Used Retrovol so it's working now.......will reboot and make a save file in a moment to see whether the sound will be persistent.

Multimedia audio controller : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

Update in a few.
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yarddog


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:29    Post subject: Lucid-515 Beta New Version DEC 18  
playdayz

would it be possible to get a new thread started for the new version Lupu-515 Beta

this one is getting kinda long

regards
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:33    Post subject: grub4dos vs. legacy grub  
playdayz wrote:
And another thing. I have been using grub4dos and it has been working nicely. It seems like a luxury even though I have no trouble making menu.lst files manually but that seems like a huge and unfair hurdle for first time users.

But as shinobar has said, the name 'grub4dos' implies that it is 'for dos' not for linux. So what if we changed the names to

Grub config - manual (or, Grub bootloader config - manual)
and
Grub config -auto (or, Grub bootloader config - auto)

and when the Universal Installer told them to go to Grub, they could make a choice. Newbies would probably choose auto and have good success with it.

Thanks playdayz for your understanding.

There may be discussion but i think we need not the legacy grub(0.5MB) at all now.
If you have the legacy grub already installed and you like to continue manully editing the menu.lst, you can keep it.
Tick the checkbox "Do not rewrite 'menu.lst'" on.
EDIT: Of course you need not run grub4dosconfig if your legacy grub is working well.

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:34    Post subject:  
James C wrote:
Lupu-515 live pfix ram on the main Linux box.Only problem, the dreaded sound muted on boot. Smile Used Retrovol so it's working now.......will reboot and make a save file in a moment to see whether the sound will be persistent.

Multimedia audio controller : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

Update in a few.


Rebooted, sound was muted again. Used Retrovol, had sound, rebooted and ......muted again. Used Alsa Wizard , rebooted and had sound. Rebooted again and still had sound. Guess it's persistent ..... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:37    Post subject:  
James C wrote:
James C wrote:
Lupu-515 live pfix ram on the main Linux box.Only problem, the dreaded sound muted on boot. Smile Used Retrovol so it's working now.......will reboot and make a save file in a moment to see whether the sound will be persistent.

Multimedia audio controller : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

Update in a few.


Rebooted, sound was muted again. Used Retrovol, had sound, rebooted and ......muted again. Used Alsa Wizard , rebooted and had sound. Rebooted again and still had sound. Guess it's persistent ..... Laughing


I'll give it a spin on my athlon box James C, it has AC97 but with an SiS chipset.. see what happens!
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:41    Post subject: Re: grub4dos vs. legacy grub  
shinobar wrote:
playdayz wrote:
And another thing. I have been using grub4dos and it has been working nicely. It seems like a luxury even though I have no trouble making menu.lst files manually but that seems like a huge and unfair hurdle for first time users.

But as shinobar has said, the name 'grub4dos' implies that it is 'for dos' not for linux. So what if we changed the names to

Grub config - manual (or, Grub bootloader config - manual)
and
Grub config -auto (or, Grub bootloader config - auto)

and when the Universal Installer told them to go to Grub, they could make a choice. Newbies would probably choose auto and have good success with it.

Thanks playdayz for your understanding.

There may be discussion but i think we need not the legacy grub(0.5MB) at all now.
If you have the legacy grub already installed and you like to continue manully editing the menu.lst, you can keep it.
Tick the checkbox "Do not rewrite 'menu.lst'" on.


So if someone makes a new install on a machine without legacy grub installed (blank hard drive or with Windows) you suggest no choice.Grub4dos or nothing?
Bad idea in my book.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:42    Post subject:  
Quote:
Two new things in Quickpet:
1. Big button to install the Gnu C Compiler, aka, the devx.

Excellent idea
. . . did not work first time I tried it
rebooted from a save file (you have to do this to use SFS so a warning dialog might be useful . . .) Smile

Code:
2. Menu item under More Pets to download the latest update of the content of the puppy-lucid repo without having to wait for all the very slow Ubuntu databases.

when it says reboot (in the dialog) - do you just mean restart quickpet or PPM?

Quote:
I used a stopwatch-it took 1:57

sausages and sardines! [Lobsterian swearing] that beats my record by 3 secs

my Logitech webcam did not work
have another will try that

been playing different versions of 'accentuate the positive' Smile
the John Mercer 1940's song before the playdayz announcement of Lupu-515 Beta
. . . which can only mean . . . synchronicity . . .

Things I like in Lucid 5.2 Smile

Easy set up
Accelerated drivers in Quickpet
Enhanced Deb compatibility
Firewall in the tray
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:44    Post subject:  
playdayz wrote:
...So what if we changed the names to
Grub config - manual (or, Grub bootloader config - manual)
and Grub config -auto (or, Grub bootloader config - auto)
and when the Universal Installer told them to go to Grub, they could make a choice. Newbies would probably choose auto and have good success with it.


If newbies are the primary motivation, it may make sense to name it
something like PuppyBoot, PuppyGrub, PuppyGrubBootloader, or some
such name. Rational:
- Installation and bootloading can be major headache in many cases. Why
allow that state of affairs to continue? Let's make it even "simpler" for
the user.
- As already pointed out, the "DOS", in the name, can be confusing.
- With source, at hand, Puppyboot could be made better than Grub.
- In the event there is a transition into Grub2 (as Ubuntu Maverick did on
new installations), the transition could be made slowly and virtually
transparently. Always keeping the same "Puppy" name, even if the
source (and functionality) gets modified.
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