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#2461 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 12:56

Bert wrote:
playdayz wrote:jpeps and bert,
Could you install this pet of gnumeric and see what happens--it gets further than 1.10.8, that's for sure, at least for me.
http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/g ... -Lucid.pet
And others, please test this gnumeric pet if you could. Thank you.
Gnumeric 1.10.12 is healthy.
Thanks!

yes but I downloaded that link posted above and its a repackage of debian packages, the plugins have the all the dev files, still has the man packages and about 50% documents are debian related documents not actual gnumeric, plus being a debian gnumeric it would be around 30% larger than need be. It uses extra libs that add extra deps. If playdayz is serous that he still would like a few extra KB this wouldn't be the way to go around doing this.
I'll see what I can do.
ttuuxxx

Minnesota · #2462 Post by **Minnesota** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 14:57

Minor issues:

First: Gnumeric working with new pet.

Would you please find and set the spell check on by default in Abiword, been off the last few versions.

Also please add geweled, small and a good time waster

#2463 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 15:28

Here's a Gnumeric I compiled on luci, its 1MB less extracted than the previous posted above. I removed the a few deps that puppy 4 series didn't need to run gnumeric and from what I've seen it works fine. Actually its a bit smaller and newer than the quirky version which is always nice to see

you need all three apps to run it, It replaces 3 apps in Luci.
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Luci-Up ... 8-i386.pet
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Luci-Up ... 2-i386.pet
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Luci-Up ... 2-i386.pet

Next if you want any of the dev,locales,doc's they all can be found in this folder http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Luci-Up ... ic/others/
ttuuxxx

Iguleder · #2464 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 15:34

Make sure the new libgsf doesn't break stuff - I compiled the latest wv/libgsf/goffice on spup and Abiword failed to compile. Some stuff that depend on libgsf show errors.

The older gtk could be the reason, though

#2465 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 15:45

Iguleder wrote:Make sure the new libgsf doesn't break stuff - I compiled the latest wv/libgsf/goffice on spup and Abiword failed to compile. Some stuff that depend on libgsf show errors.

The older gtk could be the reason, though

abiword still works, because its the same model number just a slightly newer version lld abiword ---> libgsf-1.so.114 => /usr/lib/libgsf-1.so.114

luci version libgsf-1.so.114.0.16
new version libgsf-1.so.114.0.18

should be 100% ok, I tested abiword before uploading the packages and it worked just fine.
If anyone wants me to compile abiword without Goffice just ask.
ttuuxxx

#2466 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 16:08

I've been looking at the compressed sizes
Luci ubuntu goffice 1.4MB
my goffice 817kb

gnumeric-1.10.1-lupu 7.7MB
my gnumeric 2.298MB

libgsf-1-114_1.14.16 151kb
my libgsf-1-114_1.14.18 103kb

total
Ubuntu/puppy repo 9.251MB compressed
traditional puppy way without extra deps, doc's 3.218MB
6MB compressed saving compared to what was in Luci 238, when I check the actual installed packages list.
ttuuxxx

zigbert · #2467 Post by **zigbert** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 16:14

6MB compressed saving compared to what was in Luci 238

Thumbs up

Sigmund

#2468 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 16:31

I just check how long I've been running luci 238 straight lol 18 days 2hours 17mins without a crash or reboot, I started with a 12GB pupsave and now its down to 3GB due to all the compiling etc. Probably have to remake a new pupsave tomorrow before I run out.
ttuuxxx

Lobster · #2469 Post by **Lobster** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 16:33

Been looking at GL games, you need to have an accelerated graphic card (ask Santa) and download the driver in Quickpet

My favourite which was working well is Gridwars 2
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 692#441449

Then I tried
http://www.planeshift.it/

Beware - free game but without broadband - well it is over 400MB
and I had to register, update and create a character with their suggested name, then there was a tutorial - I could have been there for ever . . .
Great for Christmas fantasy no doubt . . .
I got it working - you could too

As we are releasing for Christmas do we need more games?
What is working?

Next stop? . . . The Realm of Mystara
http://secondlife.com/destination/the-realm-of-mystara

#2470 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 17:04

Lucid 244 run action issue

When clicking on a file and no run action is specified an error message was issued to go to set run action.
This was so up to Lucid 243.
Now in Lucid 244 when no run action is available for a file type, this error message isn't issued anymore and the search why this happens started.
Noobies might not have the reflex to see if a run action is specified and will be kinda lost.

sszindian · #2471 Post by **sszindian** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 17:24

A feature I myself (and I'm sure many others) would like to see in Puppy...

After the first run of Puppy, when shutting down, you are asked If You Want To Save This Session then... To CD or To HD or NOT To Save. This feature would be nice to include in "Every Session" thereafter just before shutdown. It shouldn't take up much space since the commands are already in place for Puppy?

Lots of times you just do research on the net, maybe play a few online games or something than doesn't require a "session save" so why use up space with all those unnecessary save session files? If not feasible, maybe at least a Save or Not Save for the CD function to save space?

If not possible for 5.2 maybe a future version!

Burn_IT · #2472 Post by **Burn_IT** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 17:46

I'll second that. I often load it up to try something, only to decide I don't want it kept.

rcrsn51 · #2473 Post by **rcrsn51** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 17:54

Lots of times you just do research on the net, maybe play a few online games or something than doesn't require a "session save" so why use up space with all those unnecessary save session files? If not feasible, maybe at least a Save or Not Save for the CD function to save space?

This is why you want two frugal installs - a stable version and a testing version.

It's easy to set up. Put each in its own folder and modify your GRUB menu.lst accordingly.

Or are you talking about a multi-session CD?

Burn_IT · #2474 Post by **Burn_IT** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 18:16

Any session.
I often don't know that I don't want to save the session when I start it.
It doesn't have to be an asked question every time, but the option to leave without saving should be there.

#2475 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 18:27

Here's a version of abiword that works with/without Goffice and dictionary is turned on by default. I added most used plugins, kind of like like Barry used to do, to keep the overall size down.
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Luci-Up ... e-i386.pet
Here's the rest of plugins
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Luci-Up ... s-i386.pet
and here are some of locale extra parts that usually get disregarded
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Luci-Up ... S-i386.pet

Here's the difference of installed size
abiword-2.8.6-lupu| 22.092MB
my abiword 9.668MB
or around 12.5MB less installed
ttuuxxx
Ps if you move Gnumeric to the repo with Goffice this will still work. and save you about 3.1MB compressed.

gulk · #2476 Post by **gulk** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 18:28

I propose this change that will help Firefox users who have plenty add-ons:

The script /usr/bin/firefox is currently

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh
exec /usr/lib/firefox/firefox "$@"

and is better with

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#!/bin/sh
rm /root/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/compatibility.ini
exec /usr/lib/firefox/firefox "$@"

Symptoms:
Without this line, if Firefox has some not so well programmed add-ons installed, Firefox will simply not start; not even error message to help you find out what's going on

Cure:
Adding this line is nothing more than a bad patch, but the "compatibility.ini" file is useless anyway. I have been using this line in the "firefox" launch script for about a year now, and never had anything bad happened.

artifus · #2477 Post by **artifus** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 18:29

seconded. thirded? nice option anyways - kinda like wearing 'L' plates, maybe.
also, in testing wizards, have you tried exiting mid-way, as scared noobies might, rather than following them all the way thru to check they work, which they generally do, but exiting, cancel thru fear and/or uncertainty, can lead to odd behaviour and send you 'round the 'ouses, menu wise abit.
not a criticism, just a subjective observation... keep up the good work!

*edit* this post was re: save file options

*edit* rcrsn51 thanks for the advice on separate partitions for frugal installs - i'd been having probs and this may solve 'em. (i've only used seperate directories before)

don570 · #2478 Post by **don570** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 19:01

Some ideas on reducing the size of iso:

Dump the various various wacom tablet driver files. Nobody
will use them.

Use my smaller version of mhwaveedit
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-b5ceb54b.html

It's 40k smaller because I compiled it on lupq and then used
Iguleder's stripping application. It also has
the added benefit that it opens Retrovol automatically,
without the need of setting up a preference first,
so you can eliminate the .mhwaveedit folder.

A small point... I noticed that there are two opera.png files,
one is big, the other small (2k)

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artifus · #2479 Post by **artifus** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 19:04

same machine, different suggestions - one puppy studio, non real time kernel, t'other is most recent luci. don't know what this means, hope it helps - v. old home built pc of dubious origin, many hardware probs - msi-6378v3 amd athlon 1800+

artifus · #2480 Post by **artifus** » Sat 11 Dec 2010, 19:53

there's no accounting for stupidity but there needn't be tons of code to deal with it, just a few friendly pointers

ps could non coders get involved helping out, ie simple spelling/grammatical errors in menus - for example grub4dos still offers to load puppy 'withot' savefile, rather than 'without' - i have to edit menu.lst everytime
where best to post such suggestions without causing offence?

keep up the good work!

*edit* " without causing offence? " typed in a hurry - meaning without seeming ungrateful, as it were...

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