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bigpup


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 14:29    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
Would anyone freak out completely if we did not include Openbox (except in the PPM)? The problems with jwm have all basically been solved.

In the JWM configuration manager
When you select "or apply current GTK theme to JWM" Is the problem of the tray being removed fixed?
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 14:35    Post subject: Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-240 New Version NOV 28
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Htop is a process viewer, it creates an entry in the System>System
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 14:35    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
playdayz wrote:
Would anyone freak out completely if we did not include Openbox (except in the PPM)? The problems with jwm have all basically been solved.

In the JWM configuration manager
When you select "or apply current GTK theme to JWM" Is the problem of the tray being removed fixed?


No. Now it just does nothing, which is at least not catastrophic. Cant we just hide it as an option Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 14:50    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
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I'll see and when I have problems again, I redo the margin setting of the Openbox WM.


Would anyone freak out completely if we did not include Openbox (except in the PPM)? The problems with jwm have all basically been solved.
you are pulling my leg? Wink
Now that I am very slowly getting a grip on it (openbox/FBpanel)? Rolling Eyes
Seriously now, I prefer JWM, but I wished I could configure it to have the tray at the left side.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 15:35    Post subject:  

Béèm wrote:
playdayz wrote:
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I'll see and when I have problems again, I redo the margin setting of the Openbox WM.


Would anyone freak out completely if we did not include Openbox (except in the PPM)? The problems with jwm have all basically been solved.
you are pulling my leg? Wink
Now that I am very slowly getting a grip on it (openbox/FBpanel)? Rolling Eyes
Seriously now, I prefer JWM, but I wished I could configure it to have the tray at the left side.


What do you mean? A vertical tray down the laft side of the screen?

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 16:07    Post subject:  

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Might the problem be that the new versions aren't compatible with K6 CPUs?

I think that is very likely. Is is not anything we did (purposefully anyway) but it might well have been something Ubuntu did, We have updated numerous components from the Lucid version to the Maverick version and one of those could be the reason..


I suspected that might be the case. Lupu 5.1.1 will do for the time being but it would be nice to run 5.2 on it eventually. I think I'll full install 5.1.1 and stick to a frugal install for testing Luci.

I've read that full installs can sometimes be a little dodgy, what should I be looking out for?

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 16:45    Post subject:  

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In the JWM configuration manager
When you select "or apply current GTK theme to JWM" Is the problem of the tray being removed fixed ?


I am investigating jwmconfig2 since several days or weeks now and was able to hack the code .

The jwmconfig3 of mine looks like the appended picture.

I am still booting everyday to see if there is some [] - echo - sed or gtkdialog incompatibility to other puppies.

I could load it up for testing purposes and because of the differences in the /usr/share/themes/*/gtkrc files there are no values echoed to /root/.jwm/jwmrc_colors which made me testing sources and lenny themes. The pet would be around 900-1000 KB including several themes and their engines. I would like to know which Ubuntu the actual luci is based upon to prevent error messages to xerrs.log like GLIB Critical ... g_object_ assertation ...!= NULL failed and so on...
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 18:00    Post subject:  

DaveS wrote:
Béèm wrote:
I prefer JWM, but I wished I could configure it to have the tray at the left side.


What do you mean? A vertical tray down the laft side of the screen?
Sure.
Instead of having it horizontal at the bottom, I like it vertical at the left hand side.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 19:10    Post subject:  

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In the JWM configuration manager
When you select "or apply current GTK theme to JWM" Is the problem of the tray being removed fixed?

To me it seems that it was "fixed" by making it inoperative. Maybe someone else can test. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 19:17    Post subject:  

Samba for Lucid.

We have two good packages, and two ways to install. Mobeus Samba 3.5.5 is available as an sfs which will be in Quickpet under SFS get (not yet). Shinobar's 3.5.5 will be available as a pet in the Puppy Package Manager. Shinobar has also supplied Samba-Locales as a pet.

Mobeus sfs -> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid/samba-3.5.5-lucid-1.sfs

Shinobar's pet -> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid/samba-3.5.5-i686-lucid.pet

Shinobar's Samba Locales pet -> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid/samba-locales.pet

I noticed that a Samba install seems slightly complicated--I would want the instructions. But on the other hand anyone attempting a samba install probably knows at least somewhat what they are doing.

Shinobar's Notes -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1484132046&t=60836

Mobeus Notes -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60895
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 19:25    Post subject:  

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No. Now it just does nothing, which is at least not catastrophic. Cant we just hide it as an option


If you look back we have had very few troubles, I can't think of any, that were due to Openbox. That says good things to me. Oh, just recently--Ogle would not go full screen in Openbox but ttuuxxx says that might just be key bindings. Anyway, we have had trouble, at least 5 different things, with jwm. BUT they are all fixed or mitigated now---and jwm has always been synonymous with Puppy to me--the only reason for openbox was the issues with jwm.

Someone had mentioned the plethora of window manager configuration programs under Desktop on the menu--and that made sense that newbies would be confused. So, I am thinking that having it in PPM is just as good--if you want it you can install it easily, plus the Desktop menu is more streamlined.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 20:00    Post subject:  

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I suspected that might be the case. Lupu 5.1.1 will do for the time being

Remember that Lucid 5.1.1 was based exclusively on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. The LTS stands for Long Term Support, as this is one of the versions Ubuntu will support for 3 years (2 and a half more years)! So it will be reasonably current for quite a while.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 20:32    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx, Did you say you had a Theme button in 2.14X? Is that something we could borrow? Is it a button in the taskbar that will automatically change Background and JWM Theme? People might enjoy having 7 or so themes available with one-click.

Oh, they would need, jwm theme, gtk theme, background, and icon set. Or maybe someone could make a nice gui that could change all of those things at the same time so people could more easily do mix and match and trial and error. Well, I guess people could do it now by starting 4 programs Wink Ah, with some presets for built in themes. Dream on. Maybe next time. Has zigbert already done this?

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 20:37    Post subject:  

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I would like to know which Ubuntu the actual luci is based upon to prevent error messages to xerrs.log like GLIB Critical ... g_object_ assertation ...!= NULL failed and so on...

Lucid 5.1.1 was exclusively 10.04. However, Luci 241 and Lucid 5.2 are based on a number of different programs from Maverick. I think of it as a rolling release (a la Arch Linux). That makes it a hybrid and I wouldn't be surprised that is what is responsible for the messages. GTK+ is from 10.04. I tried to update GTK+ but there was one big problem with pixbuf--it would not work, period. This is one reason I feel that Lucid 5.2 will be about as far as the Lucid framework can stretch.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec 2010, 21:03    Post subject:  

playdayz,
If you put OpenBox in the PPM, does that make it only one window manager, at initial install, with option to install others from PPM?
If yes, do you still need window manager switcher in the initial install?
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