(Multi)boot Puppy from external NTFS USB HDD?

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(Multi)boot Puppy from external NTFS USB HDD?

#1 Post by Gurglin »

1) Giving the fact it is possible to install Puppy on an U.S.B. flash drive (http://puppylinux.org/wikka/InstallationFrugal) and that, in a different case, for installing Fluppy 006 (for instance) one has to decompress its zip file and copy the contents to a FAT or Ext2/3/4 formatted USB drive (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56156) , I wonder if it is possible to install Puppy on an external NTFS USB HDD and boot from it. I do not think it would it be necessary to install Grub4Dos, because the computer that is going to boot from the external HDD has no Window$ Operating System.

2) If such a boot from an external USB NTFS drive would be doable, considering it is possible to have multiple Puppy distros on 1 cdrom (http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=16204 ), would it be possible to do the same with an extrenal USB NTFS drive?
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#2 Post by rcrsn51 »

I do not think it would it be necessary to install Grub4Dos, because the computer that is going to boot from the external HDD has no Window$ Operating System.
On the contrary, GRUB4DOS is exactly what you must use to boot off a USB device that is formatted as NTFS. Your other choices for a bootloader - syslinux, extlinux or GRUB - can't read NTFS.

[Edit] I just tested this scenario successfully. I formatted a flash drive as NTFS and installed GRUB4DOS as the bootloader. I then did a frugal install of Quirky on the drive in a subfolder and made a pupsave file. It all worked fine.

The beauty of using GRUB4DOS here is that you can set up multiple frugal installs by using the familiar GRUB menu.lst syntax.

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#3 Post by bigpup »

If you have no windows operating systems, why do you not want to use Linux formatting on the hard drive? It is much better to use ext2, 3, or 4 with a Linux system. Puppy works on any format, but best on Linux format. NTFS is not 100% supported due to Microsofts keep it secret attitude. Ext 4 is still a little new.
It is also good to have a Linux swap partition.

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#4 Post by Gurglin »

rcrsn51 wrote:
I do not think it would it be necessary to install Grub4Dos, because the computer that is going to boot from the external HDD has no Window$ Operating System.
On the contrary, GRUB4DOS is exactly what you must use to boot off a USB device that is formatted as NTFS. Your other choices for a bootloader - syslinux, extlinux or GRUB - can't read NTFS.

[Edit] I just tested this scenario successfully. I formatted a flash drive as NTFS and installed GRUB4DOS as the bootloader. I then did a frugal install of Quirky on the drive in a subfolder and made a pupsave file. It all worked fine.

The beauty of using GRUB4DOS here is that you can set up multiple frugal installs by using the familiar GRUB menu.lst syntax.
Thanks for your answer, rcrsn51. Therefore, if I am understanding correctly, I have to burn a CD with a Puppy release, run it on a PC, and when doing a frugal install I have to choose the given NTFS external USB device and install one (or more) Puppy OS there. Then, aganin with my laptop, I have to install GRUB4DOS on the same NTFS partition and change the bios of the PC for allowing booting from USB, so that any time I want to boot my laptop (or any other PC with the right Bios configuration) from the external HDD I just have to turn both PC and HDD on and wait for a multiboot screen like Grub... am I wrong?
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#5 Post by Gurglin »

bigpup wrote:If you have no windows operating systems, why do you not want to use Linux formatting on the hard drive? It is much better to use ext2, 3, or 4 with a Linux system. Puppy works on any format, but best on Linux format. NTFS is not 100% supported due to Microsofts keep it secret attitude. Ext 4 is still a little new.
It is also good to have a Linux swap partition.
Hi bigpup, thank you for the reply. Actually I do not need to use the NTFS partition, but just wanted to avoid the hassle of creating another partition in my 1,5TB HDD, already subdivided in 4 different parts. I use NTFS because I need to access data from Windows PCs. Of course for OS it is a different story, and do not need to install them on NTFS

In case of creating an ext2/3 partition on the external USB drive, what were the procedures for installing several Linus OS + swap on it and then booting a PC from this ext2/3 USB partition? Any chance of avoiding the "burn on CD and then install"? I mean, cannot I just unpack the .iso file on the ext2 partition and just install a bootloader like GRUB4DOS? BTW, do I have to install GRUB on the external USB HDD?
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