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nooby · #1461 Post by **nooby** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 14:37

Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20

I guess this Puppy is not supposed to be made for the very small Netbooks like 10" inches Atom CPU Acer Aspire One D250 or similar computers?

Or is it me that need to start all over.

Fluppy008 boots every time while Lucid Puppy Luci-238 boots irregularly.

unpredictablly. Can fail several times in a row but usually boot at 3rd try but sometime one need to try 5 times.

So why don't I use Fluppy or Puppeee that are made for such computers?

Because they are not Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20
compatible.

pdf in fluppy fails when it works in Luci.
.rm files works in luci and fails in Fluppy.

Everything look different in Fluppy.

So I either need a Luci that works in Acer D250 or a way to reuse the programs from luci that works and somehow reuse them in Fluppy.

Am I alone having this problem with booting?

Will luci work for my gear or am I stuck with Fluppy?

Then I need to make these pdf and mplayer programs get over to Fluppy. How?

Jades · #1462 Post by **Jades** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 15:23

nooby wrote:
ICPUG wrote:...

Barry has been doing a lot of things to woof recently and reversing some things he did previously.

The one I particularly like - he has stopped copying the sfs to the hard drive - whether you ask for it or not. I hope 5.2 when it gets released will have picked this latest change up from woof.
Can you comment more on that one I made bold.

what are the pro et cons for that particular one. When does this happen?

On a Live CD bootup, such as the ones I'm using, copying the SFS file to the hard drive can result in quicker startup times compared to loading it from the CD drive. On Luci-238 you're asked whether you want to copy the file on the first reboot, after the bit where you're asked if you want to create a save file.

On subsequent boots Puppy will spot the SFS on the hard drive and use it rather than the one on the CD. On my machines I have the SFS file in the same directory as the Pupsave.

As well as quicker boots, you can also take the CD out once you've booted regardless of how much RAM you have (AIUI) as Puppy will be using the SFS on hard drive.

And why does it help that he changed the behavior of that script now?Choice is always good but what bad did it do?

Sometimes automatically writing a 100-odd meg file to a hard drive or USB stick can cause problems - either because the drive is actually faulty or because there isn't enough space.

If you choose not to copy the SFS to your drive when asked, you can manually copy the file from the CD later on once you've resolved whatever issue meant you didn't want to earlier (i.e. you've freed up some space).

Brown Mouse · #1463 Post by **Brown Mouse** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 15:42

nooby wrote:Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20

I guess this Puppy is not supposed to be made for the very small Netbooks like 10" inches Atom CPU Acer Aspire One D250 or similar computers?

Or is it me that need to start all over.

Fluppy008 boots every time while Lucid Puppy Luci-238 boots irregularly.

unpredictablly. Can fail several times in a row but usually boot at 3rd try but sometime one need to try 5 times.

So why don't I use Fluppy or Puppeee that are made for such computers?

Because they are not Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20
compatible.

pdf in fluppy fails when it works in Luci.
.rm files works in luci and fails in Fluppy.

Everything look different in Fluppy.

So I either need a Luci that works in Acer D250 or a way to reuse the programs from luci that works and somehow reuse them in Fluppy.

Am I alone having this problem with booting?

Will luci work for my gear or am I stuck with Fluppy?

Then I need to make these pdf and mplayer programs get over to Fluppy. How?

Yes that would be a shame as I use one myself,though I've not tested any of the Luci versions on it.
I wonder why it would differ from say 511 which I now have successfully running on it.

#1464 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:00

Hi guys well I spent most of the day one this, Basically I made a static version of Dillo web browser, I also edited the sources to change the default browser page to google and change the icon theme to some Gnome/tango Icons I had, you have to manually add the icons in the actually source files, Its imbedded in the code. I also added links to common puppy stuff in the bookmarks and yes Gmail doesn't work. I can look at the main Gmail inbox but it doesn't open the files, I also enabled cookies but made a small script in the startup that deletes the cookies every time you bootup or restart X.
ttuuxxx

#1465 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:04

here's the altered sources
ttuuxxx

#1466 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:15

Here's the static FLT backend if you want to recompile Dillo, not needed to run it
ttuuxxx

#1467 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:21

I'll work on the fonts tomorrow its late tonight and just wanted to get this in the wild

I'll probably alter the sources tomorrow for better fonts. Then recompile and make a new pet

ttuuxxx

playdayz · #1468 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:23

midori is meant to be an internal browser for very limited purposes. When you start it from the menu there should be a warning message. There is a full version in the puppy Package Manager if you like midori Wink

The first time you click the browse icon on the desktop youa re asked to choose a real browser!

I see! But there was no warning message because it popped up by itself (welcome screen, with "woof woof!"

Lucid 5.2 and the development versions (luci-239, etc) do not open the browser in that way for the welcome screen.

Gnome-mplayer

Mplayer is also different in Lucid 5.2 development versions. You might check Prefeneces and set the Video to xv and postprocessing to maximum. In 5.1 you might download a newer mplayer from PPM: Multimedia.

A hint: at bootup, it looks for luci_238.sfs (note the underscore) while all other puppy versions (ever) have looked for name-### (note the DASH/HYPHEN). The significance of the underscore being bad was discussed ages ago under "Warning to MS Windows users" here, but the problem ONLY applies to 238, NOT 5.1.1 or 4.2, etc.

This looks like something Barry changed in Woof, because it is nothing we did. We will inform him. Thanks.

One more thing -- JWM's bottom panel disappeared (permanently) when I selected "bluish-gradient" as my GTK theme followed by "Use GTK theme" in JWM settings. Is this fixed in 5.2?

Barry has said that this is fixed in the newest Woof which is not yet released.

Billtoo · #1469 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:26

This pet is the dosbox dos emulator, it needs the SDL_net-1.2.7.pet
installed as well to work.
It creates an entry in the Fun category of the puppy menu.

I have a directory on my hard drive named dosprog which contains all
my dos programs that I use in dosbox, to mount the dosprog directory as
drive c in dosbox I enter the command:

mount c /mnt/sda1/dosprog

Now I enter c: to switch to my c: drive in dosbox and I can run the
games etc. in my dosprog directory.

I compiled the source code and made the pets for these in luci 238.

playdayz · #1470 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:28

ttuuxxx,
We need the internal browser to run Cups which requires javascript, as well as to display Help and LupuNews from Quickpet. Thanks.

playdayz · #1471 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:32

Lucid Puppy Luci-238 boots irregularly.

Hey brownmouse, try luci-239 later today or tomorrow. Thanks.

#1472 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:37

playdayz wrote:ttuuxxx,
We need the internal browser to run Cups which requires javascript, as well as to display Help and LupuNews from Quickpet. Thanks.

well it does work with cups, should display help and news fine. Dillo does work with javascript, It probably would work with Gmail also if ssl was working properly. I did compile it with ssl
ttuuxxx

#1473 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:38

Heck if you don't want want dillo, Just make sure ssl works in your next release and I'll compile something else

tomorrow
ttuuxxx

playdayz · #1474 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:39

Re hyphen or underscore

It was Barry who moved from underscore to hyphen sometime around 4.3.1 (? maybe before that). This caused a bit of a problem with any iso busting tools that did not take account of the CD format being used. A simple file rename would solve it.

I cannot remember when but Barry moved back to underscore again recently because of the problems. Presumably this is why underscore now appears with luci_238.

Barry has been doing a lot of things to woof recently and reversing some things he did previously.

Please anyone help me out here with some explanation.

The underscore is a problem for windows users booting from a usb stick. Do I have that correct--so I can report to Barry. Thank you.

zigbert · #1475 Post by **zigbert** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:39

pmetatagger also uses id3tag/info/convert
In puppy 5.1.1(and luci238) pmetatagger only supports ogg and flac. With id3tag it supports 10 formats.

Sigmund

nooby · #1476 Post by **nooby** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:41

Thanks Jades! Very good explanation and I agree that it is better to have that choice then it being autmoatically even when one don't want it to be

Brown Mouse

I will try to start all over with the iso and and a totally new frugal install to see if that works better.

But I vaguely remember that I ahve tried that before.

I am on NTFS are you also dual booting with win7Starter?
I report later tonight. Has some house keeeping to do.

zigbert · #1477 Post by **zigbert** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:49

Jeeeeeee, Dillo is fast

Sad I loose the address-field and tool-buttons after entered many pages.

Thank you ttuuxxx

#1478 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 16:58

zigbert wrote:Jeeeeeee, Dillo is fast

Sad I loose the address-field and tool-buttons after entered many pages.

Thank you ttuuxxx

Your welcome Zigbert

I was thinking If all those 24MB compressed doc's in the devX get moved into a sfs, Then wouldn't it make sense to add the static fltk-2.0 Lib's I posted ?, Less than 1MB, still would have an extra 23MB to play with

The nice thing about fltk-2.0 is that they compile apps small like dillo, Unlike QT where a min static app compiled is a min 6+MB, Most the time its around 10MB, but I have compiled a couple around 6MB. When they are that large, Its pretty much better just to add the whole lib backend If your including 2 or 3 apps.

ttuuxxx

playdayz · #1479 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 17:03

Unfortunately, neither Dillo, Hv3, or Netsurf runs Cups completely. Thanks for the ideas. (01micko knew about Netsurf. I am just trying to summarize the situation.)

What we could really use from the gifted compilers is the latest version of Midori. Technosaurus's version that we are using is 2.5MB (no SSL--which is OK for use as an internal browser).

Any other *comparable* browser of the same size would be worth a look.

We need the internal browser for 3 reasons.
1. Cups
2. display Help
3. LupuNews in Quickpet (until people download a real browser).

playdayz · #1480 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 17:10

- id3convert and id3cp (not in use by Pmusic)
- id3info and id3tag (in use)

Got 'em.

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