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#1441 Post by gabe »

playdayz wrote:
, verifying that 5.1.1 works fine... but the browser is HORRIBLE. gmail.com or www.gmail.com fail miserably, the scroll bar disappears randomly, and whatnot. What is this "Midori" nonsense as default? XD
midori is meant to be an internal browser for very limited purposes. When you start it from the menu there should be a warning message. There is a full version in the puppy Package Manager if you like midori ;-)

The first tiem you click the browse icon on the desktop youa re asked to choose a real browser!
I see! But there was no warning message because it popped up by itself (welcome screen, with "woof woof!" sound effect). Newbies (like me) would simply enter other URLs in the obvious address bar and browse, finding all these glitches and then some. Interesting there is no default browser.

Though my next gripe is with gnome-mplayer -- it's quite slow and scaling/stretching video is broken (I'm using the Xorg_High on an Intel 945 chipset with xv and X11 output). I'm guessing 5.1.1 wasn't as optimized? I also couldn't find the awesome gxine in 5.1.1 -- just my oversight? One more thing -- JWM's bottom panel disappeared (permanently) when I selected "bluish-gradient" as my GTK theme followed by "Use GTK theme" in JWM settings. Is this fixed in 5.2? ;)

And though I can run 5.1.1 so easily and in all sorts of novel boot techniques, I can't load luci-238 no matter what I try. Remember, I have no CD drive and can't test via VM on this netbook. (And I ONLY have this netbook at my disposal right now).

A hint: at bootup, it looks for luci_238.sfs (note the underscore) while all other puppy versions (ever) have looked for name-### (note the DASH/HYPHEN). The significance of the underscore being bad was discussed ages ago under "Warning to MS Windows users" here, but the problem ONLY applies to 238, NOT 5.1.1 or 4.2, etc.

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#1442 Post by 01micko »

gabe

I am posting from a usb install of 238 in a fat32 usb disk, no trouble booting (more trouble typing! keyboard is broken :( ) so you are spot on with your windows dash versus underscore theory it seems.

Maybe you should search the forum for a solution, I don't use windows so can't offer a solution.

If the filename on the media for luci_238.sfs is wrong can you rename it?

Shinobar? Do you have one for gabe and his mom?

Cheers

an after thought... since you can boot 511, can you boot to that, insert the problematic luci_238 drive (if you have enough ports) and change the filename in a linux environment?
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#1443 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hi micko funny I compiled installwatch yesterday before you packaged the ubuntu one and well it didn't work right, but I'm please to announce your fix indeed work, Now that's a job well done, I went as far as compiling make, automake,libtool, m4 etc. Oh well at least one of us squashed that bug :)
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#1444 Post by shinobar »

gabe wrote:A hint: at bootup, it looks for luci_238.sfs (note the underscore)
Ah, yes i realized. I am on Puppy(LupQ-511) and seeing .iso files.
luci-236-SCSI.iso and later uses underscore, rerating the '-SCSI' add to the .iso file name?.
Although i had no problem with boot up the frugal installation both luci-231 to 235 with 'luci-xxx.sfs' and luci-236-SCSI to 238 with 'luci_xxx.sfs'.

As for the Windows file name problem, the file name 'pup-431.sfs' was seen as 'PUP_431.SFS' from Windows.
Recent woof has no problem i guess, but i am not sure.
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#1445 Post by James C »

For what its worth,my Luci-238 iso has the underscore and boots fine from the cd and manual frugal installs.Downloaded and burned in Windows 7. :lol:
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Re: Won't boot from USB??!?!!!

#1446 Post by shinobar »

gabe wrote:I used the latest UNetBootin to place the Luci-238 ISO on my sd card.
UNetbootin extracts the ISO file, right?
There is a chance to corrupt files at extracting.
As mick says we can check the file size of each.
If you can run another Puppy(i guess you have 5.1.1), mount the Luci-238 ISO by one-click and extract the contents.
Assuming you have checked the md5sum of the ISO file. You can check it from the Puppy using gtkhash.
Cf. file sizes:
3,161,663 initrd.gz
137,617,424 luci_238.sfs
2,228,816 vmlinuz
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Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20

#1447 Post by Billtoo »

This is small IRC chat client program that runs from a terminal
emulator such as mrxvt.
It doesn't have a menu entry but to start it just start mrxvt and
enter the commands:

irssi
/connect irc.freenode.net
/nick "whatever you want for a nickname"
/join #puppylinux

to get help enter alt-left arrow until you get to the start, then /help

Anyway I thought this might be a useful program for some people if you
want to give it a try, or wait a while and ttuuxxx will likely upload
a smaller version :)

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#1448 Post by 01micko »

working good Billtoo... on IRC #puppylinux right now (using rxvt :wink: )

Cheers :)
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Re: Won't boot from USB??!?!!!

#1449 Post by shinobar »

gabe wrote:I used the latest UNetBootin to place the Luci-238 ISO on my sd card. I went to my computer, stuck it in, and the Puppy image came up, it said "loading drivers to access disk drives" and all... then it searched folders for puppy files. Then subfolders. Then sub-subfolders. Then failed.
OK, i have confirmed. :wink:
Unetbootin copies the 'isolinux.cfg' to 'syslinux.cfg'. There is the lines:
label puppy
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=cd
This entry fails to boot. I replaced 'cd' to 'usbflash'.
label puppy
kernel vmlinuz
append initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=usbflash
Then it successfully boots up.

Possiblly something changed in woof. The 'pmedia=cd' option searched all the media including usb devices in the PC i remember.
Will test with Wary.
EDIT: Tested Wary 098 and confirmed the same issue.
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#1450 Post by Iguleder »

Hey 01micko, look what I found: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/choosewm

We could make a PET and make it the default window manager :wink:
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#1451 Post by 01micko »

Iguleder wrote:Hey 01micko, look what I found: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/choosewm

We could make a PET and make it the default window manager :wink:
where's the source? (on IRC now :wink: )

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#1452 Post by ttuuxxx »

two common errors I get when compiling on luci are
undefined reference to `GTK_WIDGET_REALIZED'
and
undefined reference to `GTK_WIDGET_TOPLEVEL'
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Re: underscore

#1453 Post by gabe »

shinobar wrote:
gabe wrote:A hint: at bootup, it looks for luci_238.sfs (note the underscore)
Ah, yes i realized. I am on Puppy(LupQ-511) and seeing .iso files.
luci-236-SCSI.iso and later uses underscore, rerating the '-SCSI' add to the .iso file name?.
Although i had no problem with boot up the frugal installation both luci-231 to 235 with 'luci-xxx.sfs' and luci-236-SCSI to 238 with 'luci_xxx.sfs'.

As for the Windows file name problem, the file name 'pup-431.sfs' was seen as 'PUP_431.SFS' from Windows.
Recent woof has no problem i guess, but i am not sure.
That's correct. I booted 235 no problem -- it had the hyphen. I renamed the 238 sfs to 235 with hyphen and replaced it. This rename "trick" (naming _238 to -235 and replacing a stock 235 installation) allowed me to boot into 238. I'm posting from it now.

It is 236 (labeled SCSI) and up that are completely broken. Also, I'm 110% sure it's not corrupt. (Just to be sure, yes, the size of my ISO and sfs matches perfectly, and not just UNetBootin has the issue).

Like I said, I'm posting from a 238 liveUSB right now (even though the sfs now says -235 because of my trick!).
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#1454 Post by zigbert »

playdayz wrote:I show libid3.so in /usr/lib. Is there a different one?
Some tools are missing. I grabbed them from wary and it works just fine. :)
- id3convert and id3cp (not in use by Pmusic)
- id3info and id3tag (in use)

Glad to hear that the new Pprocess has reached Puppy.


Thank you
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#1455 Post by Iguleder »

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#1456 Post by gabe »

BUGS
- JWM theme bug still exists. To reproduce: Boot live media. Menu -> Desktop -> Desktop Settings -> cfthemes GTK Theme Chooser. Choose Polished-blue. Press OK. Menu -> Desktop -> Desktop Settings -> JWM Configuration. Click "Or, apply current GTK theme to JWM." Now either "Restart JWM now" or just click "Choose a JWM theme." None will work, and the bottom bar MAY permanently disappear. Restarting JWM or Xorg does not fix the issue. VERY bad.

- Gnome Mplayer is very broken. It is incredibly slow and there is a tearing glitch where all motion results in jaggies (videos look like they are interlaced). This is the Intel GMA950 (945 mobile chipset), the most common linux laptop/netbook configuration in the world. (No, really!) VLC is fine. VLC also plays DVDs perfectly with embedded menus.

- Browser should NOT load for first-time users! Midori comes up with full URL and Google search bar at the top, but does NOT function properly (limited functionality). Gmail doesn't work, scrollbars disappear, etc. There is NO WARNING that the browser is crippled. The "warning" is only given AFTER this start-up intro (with "woof woof" sound effect) is presented (i.e. the user has to manually choose it from the menu in order for this warning to appear).

- Thunar file manager (in "official" xfce .pet in post #1) does not launch under JWM (it's in the menu!), instead throwing a "Could not open %F" error and closing.

IMPRESSIONS
- Boot is fast (after I finally got it working with a hack), default theme appears old-fashioned but usable, default "deformed cursor" when choosing from X menus is VERY ugly. The wonderful Aqua theme (with the pretty blue-coiled scroll bars etc) from 4.x is gone! Wireless was fairly easy to set up, and guided me through the process. There is no option to disable "touch to click" in the trackpad without disabling scrolling too (or I couldn't find it).

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#1457 Post by Jades »

noryb009 wrote:Jades: Can you please click console on your desktop, and type each of the following lines, and see what each one says/does:

Code: Select all

Abiword 
Geany 
GNUmeric
All three generate a message saying "Illegal instruction" on the next line and don't do anything further.

HTH.
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#1458 Post by Jades »

playdayz wrote:
Zhaan (K6 2 500) and while I haven't noticed any problems on the former machine, I can't say the same of the latter.
How much ram in the K6?
512MB. HardInfo report for the machine while running Luci 238 is at http://www.jades.org/comps/hir_zhn_luci238.html if you'd like more specifications.
playdayz wrote:We discovered a problem with Luci-238 loading on machines with 256MB ram or less. It doesn't load correctly and one indication is that there is no background or icons on the screen. I have one myself.
I haven't seen that particular problem. The only issue I've noticed so far on the K6 has been that the three apps I mentioned earlier won't load.
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#1459 Post by ICPUG »

Re hyphen or underscore

It was Barry who moved from underscore to hyphen sometime around 4.3.1 (? maybe before that). This caused a bit of a problem with any iso busting tools that did not take account of the CD format being used. A simple file rename would solve it.

I cannot remember when but Barry moved back to underscore again recently because of the problems. Presumably this is why underscore now appears with luci_238.

Barry has been doing a lot of things to woof recently and reversing some things he did previously.

The one I particularly like - he has stopped copying the sfs to the hard drive - whether you ask for it or not. I hope 5.2 when it gets released will have picked this latest change up from woof.

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#1460 Post by nooby »

ICPUG wrote:...

Barry has been doing a lot of things to woof recently and reversing some things he did previously.

The one I particularly like - he has stopped copying the sfs to the hard drive - whether you ask for it or not. I hope 5.2 when it gets released will have picked this latest change up from woof.
Can you comment more on that one I made bold.

what are the pro et cons for that particular one. When does this happen?
And why does it help that he changed the behavior of that script now?

Choice is always good but what bad did it do?
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