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PostPosted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 04:44    Post subject:  

Do not use develop versions of Puppy.

Ooops, I am that naive, I never even thought about it.

Which version of Luci do you see as a proven version then.

No the recoveery was a one time test to see if it could really rescue.

I always use exclusively puppy, quirky on Acer since luci fail to boot so many times.

Quirky boots 9 out of ten boots.
Lucy boots 2 times then fail 5 times then boot 1 time then fails 3 times then ...

Not reliable booting habit.

so which Luci is seen as stable for rescue?

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 06:03    Post subject: Stable Puppy  

nooby wrote:
Quirky boots 9 out of ten boots.
Lucy boots 2 times then fail 5 times then boot 1 time then fails 3 times

I do not call it stable if 1 out of ten fails.
How about Puppy 4.x series?
You can install the grub4dos-0.4.4.v1.6.0.pet on any Puppy 4.x/5.x.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 06:24    Post subject:  

Now that makes me even more confused. Sure Barry use the word Quirky to remind us that he test quirky ideas and that it is a test version for his recent ideas on how to make a puppy.

But Quirky did things me could not do in 4.3.1 so I preferred to use Quirky.

Then maybe me should use Puppeee on the Acer and puppy 431 on a general version of rescue?

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 07:22    Post subject: Quirky or Puppeee  

nooby wrote:
Quirky did things me could not do in 4.3.1 so I preferred to use Quirky.
Then maybe me should use Puppeee on the Acer and puppy 431 on a general version of rescue?

If Quirky makes you content, use Quirky.
I do not use any of the ones if it fails to boot 1 out of ten.
The Puppeee is atractive for net books.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 07:43    Post subject:  

I have three 1GB mem sticks so I decide to make


1. Fluppy 007 as a way to boot Acer D250 if the HDD fails in the future
I only need to change the boot code for it, So I will ask how to do this.

2.. Luci/Lupu 1GB or a 4GB memstick. to start modern computers
For to help neighbor if something happen to his computer.

3. Multiboot several frugal installs of Puppy different version on a 4GB
Good to have as a reserve.
4. Puppy 431to start old computers.

That way I feel more secure to always be able to boot.
Or else they just lay there to no usage. What a waist.

Thanks for your patience.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 05:48    Post subject:  

Shinobar,
Thanks for your patience.

I have to ask further on the boot up of Netbooks like my Acer D250.

I fail to boot it using Grub4DosConfig

It booted the recover partition instead of the real Win7Starter partition.

Now it looks like this on the usb.

Quote:
# Windows

title Windows Vista/2008/7\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr


but that load the recovery instead of the real win OS.


But on the older grup on hdd which do load the real Win 7.

Quote:
title Windows Vista (loader)
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
#savedefault
chainloader +1


# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda2
title Windows Vista (loader)
rootnoverify (hd0,1)

chainloader +1


So how does one change your menu entry so it comply with this.

There are three partitions on the win 7 hdd.

I go change the usb again now and try to start all over to see what it do this time.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 07:53    Post subject: Dual Windows  

menu.lst:
Quote:
# Windows

title Windows Vista/2008/7\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr

Add new entry:
Quote:
title Windows 7 on /dev/sda2\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader /bootmgr


EDIT:
For Windows NT/2000/2003/Xp, 'ntldr' insyead of 'bootmgr':
Quote:
title Windows NT/2000/2003/Xp on /dev/sda2
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader /ntldr

Or, simply:
Quote:
title Windows on /dev/sda2
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1

The 'map' lines are for USB devices. As for the internal HDD, simply:
Quote:
title Windows on /dev/sda2
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
Note (hd0,1) can be other numbers.
Using grub4dosconfig v1.6.1 and later automatically makes these multiple Windows entries.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 08:21    Post subject:  

Shinobar, you made my day. That worked flawlessly. I booted using the usb mem stick and walked all the way down to boot windows and it booted the usual screen me always get and I booted fluppy 007 from that one.

The boot being on that usb does that mean taht even if I ahve booted on the HDD it still need the usb to shut down? Or can one do as with a CD/DVD that one take out teh usb after boot?

So now knowing me can boot the using the usb if something happen to the HDD then I can
try your grub4dosconfig to change my hdd then.


Now it has the menu.lst deep down in jolicloud subdir on Home.

Where will your new menu.lst end up? on home under root? or in some subdir named grub4dosconfig?

And if it fails how do I restore so it boot as it do now from Hdd?

Which of the 4 choices should I tick. None?


Thanks indeed for all help with this.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 08:51    Post subject: CONGRAT agin  

nooby wrote:
The boot being on that usb does that mean that even if I have booted on the HDD it still need the usb to shut down? .

If you boot up the OS inside the USB, you cannot remove it before shutdown.
If you boot up any OS on HDD, you can remove the USB after boot.
nooby wrote:
Where will your new menu.lst end up? on home under root? or in some subdir named grub4dosconfig?

The grub4dosconfige saves 2 files at the top layer of sda1, /mnt/sda1/grldr and /mnt/sda1/menu.lst.
Remind you need to edit /mnt/sda1/menu.lst manually, add entry:
Code:
title Windows 7 on /dev/sda2\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader /bootmgr

The 'map' lines are needed only for USB. You need not 'map' lines as for the HDD(sda).

nooby wrote:
if it fails how do I restore so it boot as it do now from Hdd?

You are better to keep the backup of the current menu.lst, maybe at /mnt/<somepartion>/boot/grub/menu.lst.
If you copy it to /mnt/sda1/menu.lst, you can see old boot menu.
nooby wrote:
Which of the 4 choices should I tick..

On the first dialog of the grub4dosconfig?
Usually all OFF for MBR.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 08:58    Post subject:  

Thanks again,
we wrote at same time so I skipped the edit and ask here.

I want to take away the Jolicloud that created the dualboot.

Now that I ahve a booting usb stick I can use that one as you describe and it will be dual boot instead of tripple boot.

Seems fool proof as I get it. I just wonder how one tell jolicloud to remove itself safely. hmm

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 08:59    Post subject: jolicloud  

nooby wrote:
That worked flawlessly. I booted using the usb mem stick and walked all the way down to boot windows and it booted the usual screen me always get and I booted fluppy 007 from that one.

nooby, i'd like to ask you on the jolicloud before you taking it away Smile .
Did the grub4dosconfig detect the jolicloud automatically?
Have you succeed to boot up the jolicloud directly from the boot menu?
Or from Windows to Jolicloud?

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 09:08    Post subject:  

good that you ask before I do anything drastic.

I go and test now I get back within 15 minutes at most but try to be quicker than that.

I am back online having booted jolicloud from hdd the usual grub legacy made by wubi I guess

but it failed to boot jolicloud on the mem stick it was not even listed there.

It seems that grub4dosconfig did not find my SuperOS frugal install and did not find Jolicloud at all.

So what does that tells you?

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 09:34    Post subject: SuperOS, Jolicloud  

nooby wrote:
It seems that grub4dosconfig did not find my SuperOS frugal install and did not find Jolicloud at all.

Your report will brush up future grub4dosconfig.
Thanks so much for the information. Exclamation

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 09:38    Post subject:  

oops

that is good but should I just go ahead and install grub4dosconfig then and remove jolicould manually maybe to be the safest way?

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Nov 2010, 09:48    Post subject: SuperOS and Joicloud  

nooby wrote:
should I just go ahead

Please go ahead so far you don't care SuperOS and Joicloud.

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