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#401 Post by 01micko »

So we now have Xfce as the top candidate for compiz.
Yeah works well with it and only weighs in at 5MB.. so all up, to have a wobbly desktop it costs about 20M compressed,, not bad.

I guess the whole lot could be packaged with a special xinitrc that doesn't overwrite the current one... build it into wm switcher and it should be simple to switch between compiz and the other wms (switching the xinitrc in the process). I did note that X just refuses to start with the others.

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#402 Post by ttuuxxx »

01micko wrote:
So we now have Xfce as the top candidate for compiz.
Yeah works well with it and only weighs in at 5MB.. so all up, to have a wobbly desktop it costs about 20M compressed,, not bad.

I guess the whole lot could be packaged with a special xinitrc that doesn't overwrite the current one... build it into wm switcher and it should be simple to switch between compiz and the other wms (switching the xinitrc in the process). I did note that X just refuses to start with the others.

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Switching xinitrc is the best way to do it, That's the way I did it in 432 and 2.14X.
in 2.14X the script is as follows

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#!/bin/sh
cp -f /usr/local/wmsitcher/metacity/windowmanager /etc/windowmanager
cp -f /usr/local/wmsitcher/metacity/.xinitrc /root/.xinitrc
sleep 3 &&
exec restartwm
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#403 Post by playdayz »

Just noticed that the default cache setting in Firefox 4 b6 is 250 mb ........isn't that a bit higher than the usual Firefox pet?
Yeah, mine too. I cannot remember ever setting that, but 20 seems more reasonable to me, so I think I will set it.

<add: I changed the cache to 20MB and started the pet going through the ibiblio mirrors..
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#404 Post by smil99 »

@01micko
I did note that X just refuses to start with the others.
Unfortunately yes. :cry: I forgot to mention that.
@ttuuxxx's
Switching xinitrc is the best way to do it, That's the way I did it in 432 and 2.14X.
Let's give that a try with ttuuxxx's help.
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would be nice if one day if all the puppy Linux developers got together and built a release
Very happy to hear you here. That is what I call the puppy spirit, so infectious and yet very accommodating allowing for crossbreeding. :D

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Switching xinitrc

#405 Post by shinobar »

ttuuxxx wrote:Switching xinitrc is the best way to do it,
It is the easiest way but not the best.

My IME(Input Method Engine) PET rewrites the .xinitrc by the postinstall.sh.
Other PET can do, there may be a chance users edit .xinitrc manually and not want to reverted it.

I do not have any good idea, but some 'if' branch in the .xinitrc can be one of the method.
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[ -x somescipt ] && somescript
in .xinitrc.
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#406 Post by sinc »

One small note since micko asked for anything trivial. On luci 234 after installing IceWM from the PPM the description in the menu of the WMSwitcher reverted back saying switch between JWM and IceWM.
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#407 Post by 01micko »

Hi smil99 and those concerned :wink:

I think it is best to start cairo-dock in /root/Startup.. I use an nvidia and it needs 'cairo-dock -c' not -o option, else I don't get transparency. I guess if we do a test for xorg_high being installed (maybe grep it from /root/.packages/user-installed-packages) then we can set the option to -o if that condidtion is true or -c for nvidias (and hopefully one day radeons :wink: ). This will facilitate cairo-dock being an optional extra :wink: . (man my machine is beginning to look like a mac... but with so much more control!)

I think Shino you are correct, I think we can test enough conditions to switch wms without 2 xintrc files, it is faster and should work ok... as long as we know what wm we are running then we can choose to load or not load compiz accordingly. IMO it is always simpler to have the one file, too much shifting of files can lead to breakdowns, especially on slower machines.

I think I'll make one big package.. it will have xfce, compiz, python etc.... cairo-dock can be extra with the startup file. Of course I'll make an adjusted standalone package of xfce. I need to adjust wm-switcher too. I will make a separate xinitrc once I figure it all out. This should be able to handle anything, including those who don't want compiz, lets face it, compiz is only eye candy and should not be forced on anyone.. though it is fun!

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ah thanks for that sinc, that was one i did need to know :wink:
On luci 234 after installing IceWM from the PPM the description in the menu of the WMSwitcher reverted back saying switch between JWM and IceWM.
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Later...

I have knocked together a /root/.xinitrc file that seems to do the job and do it well, the only fault is that in xfce there is an error message that the rox pinboard didn't load, a minor annoyance for now since xfce4 doesn't use the rox pinboard.. so the behaviour is desired but the message is not! I have tested going from jwm to openbox/fbpanel to xfce and there is code in place to take care of icewm and fluxbox.. we are dumping lxde. (from official support anyways :wink: )

I'll attach as a tarball, those interested just backup your old /root/.xinitrc and replace with this one.. I want to hear from folks that haven't even got xfce installed but may have icewm or fluxbox. Try it too if you installed smil99's compiz (be careful to follow his instructions and be aware that cairo-dock is optional.. ahem you won't need to edit the xinitrc if you use this one)
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#408 Post by Lobster »

In luci-234
wiki updated http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy52

Not sure what the background experiments being done are?
I changed to JWM which is faster
and kept finding my background wallpaper
choice was changing to the previous selection.
Hopefully this will settle down :?

Firewall icon in traybar. Nice. Obvious. Works. :)
Initial setup wizard from Shinobar. Works, obvious Job very well done. :)

Chat to pidgin not quite there. I click on pidgin and it asks me to
select from a list of servers. I am meant to select Freenode
and go to #puppylinux.
Before I just clicked on chat . . .
OK downloaded Xchat with Quickpet - same problem, it wants to
know settings most new Puppys will not know . . .

SFS seemed to instal K-Office - oh yeah baby

Regarding Compiz: I know it is eye candy. I know it
serves no purpose but
I WANT CANDY. I need Compiz. Gimmee the candy . . . :oops:
[restraints are now in place]

I downloaded Seamonkey twice
The first time it did not take (OK I may have had two petgets open and downloading an SFS simultaneously but even so . . .]

xorgdriver check done
google map done
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xaraLX (from ppm) done

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#409 Post by 01micko »

Icewm

Nothing added, just tidied up thanks to sinc

http://www.smokey01.com/01micko/lupu520 ... -lucid.pet 955K

xfce4

Same, just tidied up a little

http://www.smokey01.com/01micko/lupu520 ... -Lucid.pet 5M

[usual usr/pswd apply :wink: ]

wmswitcher-0.8 is attached, lxde support is gone, supports Icewm, Jwm, Openbox/fbpanel, fluxbox and xfce4

Smooth transitions depend on the adjustments I made to /root/.xinitrc (above Lobby's post :P )

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EDIT: pet had a bug, see newer post
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#410 Post by pemasu »

I have the same problem as lobster. With default wm the wallpaper reverts back to the original or previous not sure which.

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#411 Post by James C »

I've changed wm's probably 10 or more times tonight and the different wallpapers are persistent. If I switch from JWM to Fluxbox the JWM wallpaper appears for about 2 or 3 seconds and then changes to the correct one, but it is keeping three different wallpaper for 3 wms.

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#412 Post by 01micko »

Guys! Do you like the new feature?

You can disable it in wmswitcher you know :roll: :lol:
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#413 Post by pemasu »

I like it, now when I noticed it :) Just to inform it in the thread, when eyes and very small brains dont notice it.

I can report that now my wallpapers are persistent, and between wm switches and reboots.
This version looks really good.

I am not very demanding for wm features but persistence is needed and that is founded.
For my experience simple wm and working pwidgets is all I need. For me no need for xfce or metacity or KDE or....

But to offer them for those who like them, thats what a mature distro should do.
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#414 Post by pemasu »

if all the puppy Linux developers got together and built a release. If we took the amount of effort that we put into our personal projects and funneled into a main release it would be tops.
Saluki, the combined effort: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59496

You can check the whole thread how it is going.

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#415 Post by 01micko »

I can report that now my wallpapers are persistent, and between wm switches and reboots.
This version looks really good.
That's good :)

There is a bug with icewm... are you aware that you can switch the wall to whatever you want for the four windowmanagers (apart from xfce)? It was meant as a nice surprise but I guess to some it could be a nasty surprise!

I'm uploading a new version and also a new version of browser-default.. er.. now the advert blocker does not try to become the default browser! Thanks Lobster.

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#416 Post by Lobster »

Guys! Do you like the new feature?
Did not understand what it meant. Does it mean one wallpaper is persistent
or a different wallpaper for each window manager is persistent?
Should have reported the ambiguity when I saw it in Beta - sorry.
If I change a wallpaper in a window manager I expect it to be permanent by default. It makes perfect sense if I go back to another window manager that it uses whatever background it was set with.

So basically I am confused by the feature
(it does not take much to confuse me,
recently I have been outwitted by a mouse)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 318#451318

The xfce seems to be working fine 8)
Compiz must be near . . . :roll:
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FlSynclient problems

#417 Post by peebee »

Afraid I still have touchpad problems on my HP550 laptop......

I now get a warning that an xserver restart is needed (but no restart is done until done manually) but after the restart FlSynchclient crashes with the attached error message.

This is worse than before as now FlSynchclient can never be run.....

Sorry to bring bad news....

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#418 Post by dejan555 »

Hey guys I'm glad Mick added options for different wallpapers in wmswitcher.
I was experimenting with fluxbox package and also made some kind of theme switcher which runs on fluxbox start only first time when fluxbox is started. So I'll leave this pet here just for fun and sharing ideas - please tell me what do you think.

This pet contains wallpaper, iconset and gtk theme and it asks you if you want to change theme or keep existing setup:

fluxbox_THEMEPACK-1.1.1-i486-lupu.pet
puppy.b0x.me stuff mirrored [url=https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_Mb589v0iCXNnhSZWRwd3R2UWs]HERE[/url] or [url=http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_puppy.b0x.me_mirror]HERE[/url]

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Re: FlSynclient problems

#419 Post by shinobar »

peebee wrote:I now get a warning that an xserver restart is needed (but no restart is done until done manually) but after the restart FlSynchclient crashes with the attached error message.
Bad news is good news for the developers.
Who brings bad new is a good tester!

Sorry, haven't downloaded the luci-234 :wink:
Maybe it dropped out when remastering...?

EDIT: There is with a wrong name.
Rename the file '/usr/bin/synclient-bin' as ''/usr/bin/synclient.bin'.
Thanks, pemasu.

Check also your touchpad works even after xorgwizard performed.
My test was OK :D
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#420 Post by Jasper »

Hi,

Image

I get this background as my first impression of 2.3.4.and I assume it is the same for everyone?

My regards

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