Wary Puppy 0.9.4 (094) feedback

[Sit Heel Speak]

...I've been having a go with compiling the latest Firefox for Wary. Seems much more difficult than compiling Seamonkey. Big problems with compile-time dependencies...

The compile of Firefox is step number approximately-110 in the 2-hundred-and-thirty-something-step procedure of building the full Gnome desktop, when building Gnome using gnome.org's purpose-built build-tool, which is called jhbuild.

So, I suspect that the developers of Firefox maintain its makefile under the expectation and assumption that a substantial fraction of the full Gnome desktop (all harmonized to the identical kernel and glibc) will be already present, on the machine on which Firefox is compiled.

So, building Firefox with high confidence that you nailed all the dependencies does not seem practical to me, except unless you build Firefox by running jhbuild as if you intend to build Gnome, but then just stop after Firefox (which is in two parts: 'xulrunner', then 'mozilla', in the jhbuild descriptors) is compiled. And then you would have to extract Firefox and its dependencies from the partial Gnome desktop you have just built.

It would not surprise me if Seamonkey, to truly get it 100% right, is similarly demanding.

[tronkel]

@gJuhasz

This idea of compiling a Seamonkey 2.1 Alpha version would simply be for experimental/fun reasons. Really just a review of what's coming in the future. These packages would always remain as optional pets for the more adventurous class of user. This has always been the case.

The Toshiba Tecra range of laptops goes back a long way. I once had a new one. It had only 16MB of RAM and a 133Mhz processor way back then. Everyone thought I was some sort of plutocrat at that time, being able to own a state-of-the-art laptop. LOL.

[tronkel]

Sit Heel Speak wrote:

It would not surprise me if Seamonkey, to truly get it 100% right, is similarly demanding.

It must be that the Seamonkey developers are not making the same assumptions about Gnome as do the Firefox developers.

Once the standard 4 dbus packages (available via the Wary package repo) were installed, it was an almost trivial matter to build from the stable source (59MB) downloaded form the Mozilla website.

I wonder if Thunderbird is as difficult to compile for Wary as Firefox is. I'm very tempted to have a go with that.

[Sage]

...were:
libxul.so
and
alsa-lib

Same result on FULL install from a different mirror. But everything still works.

Claws is now an independent fork from Sylpheed-Claws, so, please, could kind coder compile Claws? Would recommend it replace Sylpheed in the .pet list, although EudoraOSE 1.0 would be even better.

[jackbetz]

Please try editing the syslinux.cfg and/or isolinux.cfg on the usb media to read pmedia=usb rather than pmedia=cd. Works for me when using unetbootin to create usb sticks.

[Karl Godt]

Such never happened before :

There had been always complains about initrd.gz

and now its my turn !

the initrd wrote some dirs and driver files to /lib/modules/2.6.31.14

booting wary-094 frugal installed to /wary-094 folder on top level of MacPup on ext2 fs.

[Billtoo]

Claws is now an independent fork from Sylpheed-Claws, so, please, could kind coder compile Claws? Would recommend it replace Sylpheed in the .pet list, although EudoraOSE 1.0 would be even better.

I'm no coder but I did compile claws mail and it seems to work but I don't know for sure, anyhow the attached file shows what I did and maybe tronkel would make the two pets necessary since he has a site to post them on,yikes, I shouldn't volunteer other people to help.
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[tronkel]

@sage

Just been checking out the possibility of compiling Thunderbird. A cinch in Ubuntu, but very problematic for Wary by the looks of it. EudoraOSE sounds like a good idea, but is likely to be as problematical in Wary as Thunderbird is.

Claws-Mail may be a better idea for Wary. It's a nice program too. If my memory seves me correctly, I once had a go with compiling Claws-Mail. The main program was fine, but the plugins were a problem to compile - can't remember why.

However things may have improved by this time as regards the compiling possibilites here. How vital are the plugins for you?

I'll look into this anyway and get back if I have any joy.

[Sage]

There's another recent thread which discusses Eudora. Someone did do a compile but not for this Wary. As I remember, there was a size issue, but perhaps not too serious? Curious to know whether the Mozilla Foundation completely destroyed Eudora or improved it. I detest Thunderbird with it's obvious bloat, lack of intuitive nature, clumsiness and unacceptable missing functionality. It is said that Thunderbird now incorporates Eudora code; let's hope that the reverse is not true!
As for Claws plug-ins, not my bag, although I'd like a read-ahead function for collecting email addresses from the addressbook and a better header display like blah-blah from Eudora. Claws doesn't seem to have alternative date format displays, either? More transatlantic myopia?!

[tronkel]

Na, no-go with claws-mail so far

Configures and builds fine, but no SSL available (therefore no IMAP) even with gnutils and openssl installed and configured.

Crashes as well. Bummer.

[Billtoo]

There's another recent thread which discusses Eudora. Someone did do a compile but not for this Wary. As I remember, there was a size issue, but perhaps not too serious? Curious to know whether the Mozilla Foundation completely destroyed Eudora or improved it. I detest Thunderbird with it's obvious bloat, lack of intuitive nature, clumsiness and unacceptable missing functionality. It is said that Thunderbird now incorporates Eudora code; let's hope that the reverse is not true!

I downloaded the EudoraOSE tar file from https://wiki.mozilla.org/Eudora_OSE and unpacked it, then went into the Eudora directory that it created and just clicked on the Eudora file and away it went.I dragged that file to the desktop and just clicking on it starts Eudora.I found the proper icon in the chrome subdirectory of the Eudora directory and after right clicking on the desktop icon and moving up one item to "file Eudora" you can use the proper icon.
I hope this helps.

The only mail reader that I use is Pidgin for my hotmail account so I know nothing about claws or Eudora.

edit: Sage: Eudora works on my hotmail account.

[DaveS]

Tronkel... using your SM2.0.10. Very solid. think I might extract dbus and make an sfs of seamonkey. I already have an sfs of dbus that works nicely. That way I can make it simply available to all puppies on my drive.

[tronkel]

DaveS wrote:

Tronkel... using your SM2.0.10. Very solid. think I might extract dbus and make an sfs of seamonkey

Or do you need a pet with Seamonkey 2.0.10 but without the dbus stuff included? If so I'll build it.

[DaveS]

DaveS wrote:

Tronkel... using your SM2.0.10. Very solid. think I might extract dbus and make an sfs of seamonkey

Or do you need a pet with Seamonkey 2.0.10 but without the dbus stuff included? If so I'll build it.

No, an sfs works better as it can be shared. Thanks though....

[Sage]

Billtoo: Genius strikes when you least expect it! Thanks a bunch. [Hotmail is M$ isn't it? Don't trust that organisation!]. *

For reasons I forget (but there were some) I typed <poweroff> in a console. Locked solid. Did strange things when I did a hard reset (FULL), too, but eventually recovered everything. Probably I shouldn't have done it, but then...

*Update: did all that. Clicked both eudora & eudora-bin - zilch. Tried moving to /opt from /root. Nothing! Tried a load of stuff like trying to run from the command line - no joy. Remember I don't do SW - so if there's some little thing extra that an experienced SW chappie does, I would need to be told!

[Billtoo]

Billtoo: Genius strikes when you least expect it! Thanks a bunch. [Hotmail is M$ isn't it? Don't trust that organisation!].

You are welcome, yes it is M$, I've had that account for years and no problems yet,I don't use it much except for a linux magazine that comes every month and I also get spam from companies whose products I've purchased, HP,Sony,etc.When you register a purchase they like to keep in touch.

[Sage]

Edit supra.

[Billtoo]

*Update: did all that. Clicked both eudora & eudora-bin - zilch. Tried moving to /opt from /root. Nothing! Tried a load of stuff like trying to run from the command line - no joy. Remember I don't do SW - so if there's some little thing extra that an experienced SW chappie does, I would need to be told!

The file that works for me is eudora, see it on the desktop under the connect icon.

The two screenshots show changing to the proper icon by dragging and dropping after right clicking on the one under the connect icon.

edit: I have the wary_devx_094.sfs installed, do you? It's available in the same place that you got the wary 094 iso if you don't. To install the devx to a full install I always use SFS_Installer-1.0-430.pet which is available on the forum (extra software thread) although I haven't tried it yet in wary 094 because I'm running off a flash drive with a save file.

[tronkel]

@sage

If Eudora basically runs in Wary, but you can't get it to start, then it's probably some minor thing with the set up.

If my eyesight is up to it later, I'll download a working Eudora tarball and set up a pet package that runs on my hardware. If it then refuses to run on yours, the reason will probably be some missing library or package on your system.

[Sage]

Gee, t'anks guys. No, I don't have the devx, nor the SFS installer - but now I know how & why. Work in progress...

Later: did an exact search for <SFS_Installer-1.0-430.pet > on both the Forum and BK's blog - nil results in both cases. Found a 'Linker' but not an 'Installer'. Any chance of a clue, please?!

More: the devx file seems to self load to an .sfs which can be toggled by a right click. However, Eudora still doesn't come up.