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the result of xrandr

#101 Post by shinobar »

shinobar wrote:What happens with 1024X768 57HZ in your case?
Black screen? Or another problem?
bigpup wrote:That one will give me a desktop screen, but it is still not good for my monitor.
The fonts do not look clear, does not look good.
1280X1024 60HZ is the native resolution.
I see.
bigpup wrote:1280x1024 50 HZ setting will work and give me an OK desktop, but again not the best refresh rate. Needs to be 60HZ.
What is the problem with 1280x1024 50 HZ then?

And please let me know the result of the xrandr of your case.
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#102 Post by bigpup »

What is the problem with 1280x1024 50 HZ then?
Not the native refresh rate. See my post above.

From monitors owners manual:
Native resolution for best setting 1280X1024 @ 60HZ
Settings available:
720X400 @70HZ
640X480@ 60HZ or 72HZ or 75HZ
800x600 @ 60HZ or 72HZ or 75HZ
1024X768 @ 60HZ or 70HZ or75HZ
1280X1024 @ 60HZ or 75HZ
And please let me know the result of the xrandr of your case.
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xrandr
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refresh rate

#103 Post by shinobar »

Thanks, bigpup.
bigpup wrote:1280X1024 @ 56HZ or 57HZ
My monitor would spit parts on that setting!
I overlooked.
Is the problem is still with 1280X1024 @ 56HZ or 57HZ? or with 50Hz?

The Mobeus case and bigpup case is different.
The Mobeus case, the issue is the XorgWizad/Resolution Chager takes the highest rate instead of the lowest.

Your(bigpup case) xrandr says 50 or 51Hz is the only available rate for 1280X1024.
Is the xranr wrong?
Does the driver can do the frequencies other than 50/51, say 56/57/60 etc., for 1280X1024?
How can you manage? For example, editing the xorg.conf by hand?
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information and settings needed at the first boot-up

#104 Post by shinobar »

playdayz wrote:Would you be able to start SNS when firstrun ends?
We may be better to open new topic on the information and settings needed at the first boot-up.
The theme is: what are needed, in what order, and who control them.

The current luci-232 offers the personalize settings and the welcome1stboot information same time.
Classic puppies, or the Wary-092, offers the console dialog for keyboard setting first, then locale, time, graphic.
Next, start-ups the graphical desktop, offer the welcome1stboot information and upgrade X driver.
It is reasonable sequence.

Thinking our luci/lupu, i think it better: after the graphical desktop, the personalize settings first, welcome1stboot information next, and the last rest of them.

Now on the luci-232, the sequence is controled by the delayedrun, which looses the flexibility.
In another word, the delayedrun branches the first-run.sh and itself provides the welcom1stboot by itself, It make the complexity.
More simple and flex way is the delaydrun only do launching the Startup scripts, or only launching the first-run.sh first and next startup scripts.
I mean the welcome1stboot should be controlled by the first-run.sh. (LupQ does so.)

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#105 Post by bigpup »

Your(bigpup case) xrandr says 50 or 51Hz is the only available rate for 1280X1024.
Is the xranr wrong?
Yes!!
Does the driver can do the frequencies other than 50/51, say 56/57/60 etc., for 1280X1024?
How can you manage? For example, editing the xorg.conf by hand?
I am Using 60HZ now.
Yes I can edit xorg.conf and make it 60HZ refresh rate at 1280X1024.
I can change it to 60HZ in xorgwizard.
I can change it to 60HZ by using the Nvidia X server settings program.
The point is the resolution options in the First Run Dialog do not give me the 60HZ setting. It offers a setting that just works, but is still wrong for my monitor.
What good is it if I still have to go someplace else to get the settings I need?
I know they are wrong. Would a newbie know that? Would he know that some of the choices will give him the Black Screen of Death? A fuzzy screen because the refresh rate is wrong?

If it had a choice for resolution setting and a choice for refresh rate it would be perfect.

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xranr

#106 Post by shinobar »

bigpup wrote:Your(bigpup case) xrandr says 50 or 51Hz is the only available rate for 1280X1024.
Is the xranr wrong?
bigpup wrote:Yes!!
Thanks, bigpup.
Then our story becomes quite different.
Using the xrandr to change the resolution can be our mistake.

I have not truly been unaware with the xrandr limitation.
It strongly depends on the driver.

... The dialog of the Personalize Setting says:
If your desired resolution is not shown on the list, you have a chance with running the XorgWizard, and may need to choose the video driver.
That is all i can do at this point of time...
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change the resolution

#107 Post by shinobar »

bigpup,
Your suggestion is welcome.
My thought is it can be another project and may take a long term.

I like to confirm, bigpup.
In your case, xorgwizard has no problem, and the problem is of the Video Resolution Changer(xrandrshell)/the Personalize Stting?

You can see my trial to change the resolution by GUI in Puppy-431JPqs3, a half year ago released. Same can be seen in the Browserlinux i remember.
At that time, i didn't use the xrandr.

Image

In the LupQ i aborted it because touching the xorgwizard is hard.
But i like to try again in near future.

As for the Mobeus case, it is different.
i will upload the improved version in a couple of days.

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#108 Post by bigpup »

shinobar wrote:I like to confirm, bigpup.
In your case, xorgwizard has no problem, and the problem is of the Video Resolution Changer(xrandrshell)/the Personalize Stting?
Yes Xorgwizard works fine. However, to get a choice of refresh rate, you have to run Test after selecting a resolution.
Resolution Changer and Personalize Setting. No good, because of no adjustment for refresh rate.
This really got me in trouble in my early days of using Puppy Linux. Like I really know what I am doing now!
Thanks for putting up with my rant!

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#109 Post by bigpup »

shinobar,
About the resolution and refresh rate issue.
Using the First Run Dialog on different video hardware and with different video drivers made a big difference.
Example;
Nvidia NV 37GL Quadro pci-e in a dell.
ATI Radeon 2600 Pro in a home built.

Vesa driver
Nvidia Quadro -no settings looked good.
Ati Radeon -got settings I could use.

Video driver specific to video card
Nvidia Quadro -settings better but still not good.
Ati Radeon -got settings I could use.

Thanks for this, good feature on initial startup.

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the resolution and refresh rate issue

#110 Post by shinobar »

bigpup wrote:shinobar,
About the resolution and refresh rate issue.
Using the First Run Dialog on different video hardware and with different video drivers made a big difference.
Thanks bigpup for the report.
Yes i know that is the limitation of xrandr.
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firstrun-1.0

#111 Post by shinobar »

Hope to be this is the final for the stage 1.
See the top of this topic.

Ensure taking the lowest frequency for the refresh rate of the screen
to avoid the Mobeus case.
Support Xvesa and may run on any Puppy-4.x/5.x.

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#112 Post by Mobeus »

Shinobar,

Good news: The firstrun dialog did offer and set a usable 1024x768 / 60 screen setting in Luci-233.

Bad news: Upon reboot the screen was black.

I am attaching the xorg.conf files and the xrandrindex file in case that will help.

This may not be relevant but, could the problem be in ~/.xinitrc?
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Hostname

#113 Post by gcmartin »

Hmmm. Shinobar can either a display of the Hostname OR a hostname selection be added to your First Run Dialog before 5.2 goes "live". I think you see the advantage to this.

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#114 Post by shinobar »

Mobeus wrote:Bad news: Upon reboot the screen was black.
I see. We need to rewrite /usr/sbin/xranrshel, and xorgwizard hopefully.
Thanks, Mobeus for this important report.
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#115 Post by bigpup »

Luci-233
First Run Dialog V1.0
Resolution issues still. Just letting you know that naming it Version 1.0 did not work. Good try! :lol: :cry: :wink:

X Server buttons.
Are they info of what you are using or selections to make?
Here is what I get;
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#116 Post by bigpup »

shinobar,
Resolution issue.
Could all the resolutions that come up on the list be set to have a refresh rate of 60HZ, Like locked setting? I think any monitor could handle that refresh rate, with no problems, for any resolution setting.
Just an idea for you to think about.

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fix the refresh rate to 60Hz

#117 Post by shinobar »

bigpup wrote:Could all the resolutions that come up on the list be set to have a refresh rate of 60HZ, Like locked setting?
We know the xrandr reports wrog in many case.
So, the bigpup's proposal is very attractive.
I am not sure all or most of the hardwares can manage it.

The problem is how to organize the testers.
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Re: fix the refresh rate to 60Hz

#118 Post by bigpup »

shinobar wrote:
bigpup wrote:Could all the resolutions that come up on the list be set to have a refresh rate of 60HZ, Like locked setting?
We know the xrandr reports wrog in many case.
So, the bigpup's proposal is very attractive.
I am not sure all or most of the hardwares can manage it.

The problem is how to organize the testers.
I have never seen specs, on a monitor, that did not list 60HZ as a refresh rate for any resolution. I think it is a standard supported by all.
From Wikipedia;
From Wikipedia wrote:Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7, set the default refresh rate to a "conservative" rate, usually 60 Hz.
(Why did my screen go black when I wrote that quote)?
My LCD monitor support suggests I use 60HZ refresh rate all resolutions.
All the resolution settings listed in my monitor manual have 60HZ as a setting.
From HP Support wrote:The most common refresh rate for LCD monitors is 60 Hz. This normally cannot be changed for flat panel displays using Plug and Play settings.
Suggested refresh rate for CRT monitor at HP support how to in that other operating system.
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Update v1.1

#119 Post by shinobar »

Mobeus wrote:Bad news: Upon reboot the screen was black.
Fixed.
But note that the xranrshell nor xorgwizard are not yet fixed.
They still have a problem with selectiong the refresh rate with some hardware as Mobeus reported.

The proposal from bigpup (not rely xrandr refresh rate) is pending for this update, v1.1.
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#120 Post by Mobeus »

Success! No problems here with v1.1in Luci-234. Set to 1024x768/60, and retained it after reboot. Installed Xorg-High and still had the desired settings after rebooting.

FYI the v1.0 built in to Luci-234 gave a black screen after rebooting.

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