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#41 Post by playdayz »

Menubar = Personalize Settings
Hey shinobar. Let's let Lobster call this one. Personalize Settings is fine with me.

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Personalize Settings

#42 Post by shinobar »

Lobster wrote:Menubar = Personalize Settings
Thanks Lobstar and playdayz.

From the word, 'Personalize Settings', I feel something different.
I imagine the wallpaper, icon theme, etc., like 'Desktop Settings' category.

The function of the first-run dialog is Country settings plus Resolution changer.
It is local settings matching the hardware, rather than 'personal'.
But also i think the word 'Local Settings' is not easy to understand...

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Main menu

#43 Post by shinobar »

By the way, the main menu of luci-231/Lupu-5.1x seems strange comparing with Fatdog or classic puppies.
I see the Wizards and Installers are mixed up on Luci/Lupu.
I also remember Lobster said some menu item cannot be seen with small screen.

It depends on the version of libgnome-menu.
See: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 348#442348

Main menu of the Quirky-1.3:
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Re: The menu title

#44 Post by bigpup »

shinobar wrote:Having the menu entry of this first-run dialog may be preferable.
But what is the title of the menu?
I think 'Personalise Setting' is not well showing the function.
The 'First-run Setting' seems not so bad for me.
Does anyone give a good words for the menu title?
I say:
Personal Settings Wizard

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#45 Post by Lobster »

I alse remember Lobster said some menu item cannot be seen with small screen
A three tier menu can not be displayed to see on the Asus PC 701 (the original)

Look under document, document publishing / abiword
Replace 'document publishing' with abiword

If each Puppy has a different menu structure
- you are adding 'new' for the sake of it
and confusing users (or maybe just me) :?
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Settings Wizard

#46 Post by Tasgarth »

Shinobar wrote :
The function of the first-run dialog is Country settings plus Resolution changer.
It is local settings matching the hardware, rather than 'personal'.
But also i think the word 'Local Settings' is not easy to understand...
Perhaps :
PC Settings Wizard

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version 9d

#47 Post by shinobar »

Next version shall be like this:
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NOTE: the version name in the title bar is for debbuging.
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#48 Post by bigpup »

Add to info statement at top,
Make any required corrections and apply changes.

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#49 Post by playdayz »

Looking great shinobar. I agree with Bigpup about a bit more explanation at the top, but I can do that--I probably will tinker with it just to be obsessive ;-) so don't stress about it--I will do that!

The two buttons Apply and OK confuses me. I think Apply and Close would make more sense. And make them the same size. But one button Apply might be enough, because the current version posts a message "Nothing was Changed" if nothing was changed and th program ends.

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keyboard image

#50 Post by don570 »

Here's my attempt to show a keyboard with a first run app.
No disk space is wasted because it's text.

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Re: version 9d

#51 Post by Béèm »

shinobar wrote:Next version shall be like this:
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NOTE: the version name in the title bar is for debbuging.
Looks good, but can I repeat the suggestion done before to add a selection for the 12/24 hour clock.
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keyboard layout, clock

#52 Post by shinobar »

Thanks, don and Béèm.

As for the graphical keyboard layout, nice idea using text, but i am afraid i cannot gather all the 43 layouts the Puppy supports.
Or, do you know how to extract it from the X data base(/usr/share/X11/xkb) or from somewhere?

A selection for the 12/24 hour clock is atractive but i think it is the business of the window manager, i cannot manage.
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Sandbox

#53 Post by shinobar »

Now, we can avoid 'Apply' button.
For the keyboard setting i put a sandbox. If you click 'Cancel' here, the main dialog comes back with previous keyboard layout.
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Same as screen resolution. If you click 'OK' for every question, the main dialog disappears and never comes back unless you launch it from the menu.
Note the timezone and locale do not have cancel buttons.

As for the 'XorgWizard' button, after all other changes performed, you will be asked to go through the text mode. After the desktop comes back, the main dialog appears again.

Next version with 'XorgWizard' button and 'OK' button, without 'Apply' button, coming soon.
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#54 Post by technosaurus »

here is a function from my latest version of bashbox that may be of help during language testing:

as a function

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test_program_with_LANG() { #$1=LANG followed by command to test
REAL_LANG=$LANG
export LANG=$1
shift #removes $1 from $@
$@
export LANG=$REAL_LANG
}
or as a script

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#!/bin/sh
REAL_LANG=$LANG
export LANG=$1
shift #removes $1 from $@
$@
export LANG=$REAL_LANG
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firstrun-0.9d available

#55 Post by shinobar »

Now the new version firstrun-0.9d-lupu.pet is available at the top of this topic.
Also calling for translations.
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keyboard settings

#56 Post by don570 »

For the keyboard setting i put a sandbox.
I like this idea. Simple but effective.

This page describes finding the characters of a keyboard layout
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48898

UK keyboards have one extra key which complicates things.

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#57 Post by bigpup »

Where are the resolution settings, that you can select, coming from? I ask because, none of them seem to have common refresh rates.
Example;
My monitors best setting is 1280x1024 at 60HZ.
There is a 50HZ, and nothing else.
Next best, 1024X768 at 60HZ.
There is a 57HZ.
All the refresh rates seem to be not normal settings for any resolution.
Like 52, 61, 63, 66, 74, 82, 89, 93 etc......
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#58 Post by shinobar »

bigpup wrote:Where are the resolution settings, that you can select, coming from? I ask because, none of them seem to have common refresh rates.
Example;
My monitors best setting is 1280x1024 at 60HZ.
There is a 50HZ, and nothing else.
Next best, 1024X768 at 60HZ.
There is a 57HZ.
All the refresh rates seem to be not normal settings for any resolution.
Like 52, 61, 63, 66, 74, 82, 89, 93 etc......
It is the same as the Xorg Resolution Changer, found in the 'Xorg Video Wizard' on the main menu.
On the virtual terminal, type:

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xrandr
It shows available resolutions and vertical frequencies.
But the Xorg Resolution Changer shows the lowest frequency.
I am not sure the Xorg Resolution Changer specifies the frequency or not at running 'xrandr'.

Note that If you once set the resolution with this Personalize Settings, or the Xorg Resolution Changer, the setting of xorg.conf is ignored, even if you run the XorgWizard and select different resolution.
It can be a problem when we take the 'xrandr' for the resolution setting.
EDIT: There are no problem with the XorgWizard, but with the Nvidia X Setting Wizard.

Bigpup, How does the 1280x1024 at 50HZ actually see? Is the display a CRT?
If it is serious, I have to add new menu for frequency.
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#59 Post by bigpup »

Bigpup, How does the 1280x1024 at 50HZ actually see? Is the display a CRT?
If it is serious, I have to add new menu for frequency.
It is an LCD monitor so 50HZ is not a big issue, MAYBE? If it was a CRT it would be. The thing is, my monitor specs call for a refresh rate of 60HZ or 75HZ at 1280X1024 resolution.
I am using a Nvidia driver and the Nvidia X server setting program gives me the choice of 1280X1024 60HZ or 75HZ.
A troubleshooting question response from my monitors support;
If your LCD monitor is flickering, it probably means that the refresh rate is set too high. The optimal refresh rate for a Samsung LCD Monitor is 60 Hz regardless of the resolution you are running.
Before you say refresh does not matter on a LCD monitor read this.
http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_8.html

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#60 Post by bigpup »

Note that If you once set the resolution with this Personalize Settings, or the Xorg Resolution Changer, the setting of xorg.conf is ignored, even if you run the XorgWizard and select different resolution.
It can be a problem when we take the 'xrandr' for the resolution setting.
If I understand this, if you make resolution changes with "First Run Dialog screen" then using Xorgwizard will not make changes?

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