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ezeze5000


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PostPosted: Sat 08 Apr 2006, 08:10    Post subject:  

You might try downloading puppy using Bittorrent.

You can get it from here:
http://www.bittorrent.com/

You can download puppy from here using bittorrent.
http://linuxtracker.org/

I have had real good luck downloading puppy this way.

I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr 2006, 19:50    Post subject:  

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even though it is a lot of work would it work if I placed puppy on the HD and got rid of the crappy win95?


pelokwin, you could probably have both Windows 95 and Puppy Linux 1.0.8r1 on your hard drive without even partioning. I have mine set up that way with a crude dual-boot system. If you give me a couple of days, I can type up where to put certain files off the Puppy iso on your hard drive and how to set it up for a barebones dual-boot to either Windows or Puppy. It works fine on my Thinkpad 310ED with Windows 98 SE and Puppy 1.0.8r1. Puppy only takes up about 200MB on my hard drive, which includes a 128MB "pup001" file.
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Apr 2006, 23:43    Post subject:  

Toddyjoe,
I have all the time in the world. I would love to try it and see if I can make it work. It seems everything I try with the live cd way of puppy (and feather) hits a wall. As far as this old T.P. goes heck I cant even use the windows 95 it is just too out of date, and that is mostly word prossesing.
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Apr 2006, 11:14    Post subject:  

pelokwin, here is my promised explanation/tutorial. My Thinkpad 310ED had Windows 95 up until about three months ago so this explanation is geared toward someone like you with the same experience.

*****

HOW TO INSTALL PUPPY LINUX ON WINDOWS HARD-DRIVE AND DUAL BOOT WITH WINDOWS 95/98/98SE (WITHOUT HAVING TO PARTITION YOUR HARD DRIVE):

By: Todd J. Koback -- April 2006
_________________________________________________________________

NOTE: You need at least 137MB of free hard drive space for these files.
_________________________________________________________________

(1) Download a Puppy Linux ISO file and use it to burn a bootable Live CD.

(2) Create a new directory on your "C:" hard drive named "PUPPY". This should be located in the root directory on the hard drive so that the path is "C:\PUPPY".

(3) Download the "PupWin98.zip" file.

[AUTHOR'S NOTE: "PupWin98.zip" is a large file -- just as big as the Puppy ISO file above. For this installation, you only need the "grub.exe" and "menu.lst" files which are zipped inside "PupWin98.zip" and are about 103KB and 173 bytes in size, respectively. If you can find "grub.exe" and "menu.lst" elsewhere on the Internet, feel free to skip downloading "PupWin98.zip" and download the small "grub.exe" and "menu.lst" files directly. If you private message me with your e-mail address, I will forward both files to you directly. A quick Internet search shows "grub.exe" is available for download here: http://www.freeveda.org/linux/puppy/GRUB.EXE ]

(4) Extract and save "grub.exe" and "menu.lst" within the new "C:\PUPPY" directory.

(5) Copy and save the "image.gz" and "vmlinuz" files from the bootable Live CD you created to the new "C:\PUPPY" directory.

(6) Right click on the "menu.lst" file and select "Open with..." and then select NOTEPAD from the list. Edit the contents to read as follows:

timeout 0
title Puppy Linux
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 acpi=off
PFILE=pup001-none-131072 PHOME=hda1
initrd (hd0,0)/puppy/image.gz

Save the "menu.lst" file after this edit and close NOTEPAD.

(7) Click on the START menu in Windows and select "Run" from the menu. Type "sysedit" at the prompt and then click "OK". This will run the System Configuration Editor.

(8) In the System Configuration Editor, select the "C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT" file window. At the very top of the file contents above the existing text, insert and add the following new text:

REM [Start additions for Linux]
GOTO %CONFIG%

:LINUX
ECHO Welcome to Puppy Linux!
PAUSE
C:\PUPPY\GRUB.EXE --config-file=(hd0,0)/puppy/menu.lst

:WIN
REM [End additions for Linux]

Do not change or delete the remaining contents of the "AUTOEXEC.BAT" file. Click on the "File" menu in the System Configuration Editor window and then select "Save".

(9) While still in the System Configuration Editor, select the "C:\CONFIG.SYS" file window. At the very top of the file contents above the existing text, insert and add the following new text:

REM [Start of additions for Linux]
[menu]
menuitem=win, Windows
menuitem=linux, Puppy Linux ver. 1.0.8r1
menudefault=win, 15

[linux]

[win]
REM [End of additions for Linux]

Do not change or delete the remaining contents of the "CONFIG.SYS" file. Click on the "File" menu in the System Configuration Editor window and then select "Save". Then, click on the "File" menu in the System Configuration Editor window and then select "Exit".

(10) Restart or reboot the computer.
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TO DUAL-BOOT WINDOWS AND LINUX:
After restarting or rebooting, the initial computer boot screen and the initial Windows logo start screen will load as before. However, after those two screens, you will be prompted to choose either "Windows" or "Puppy Linux ver. 1.0.8r1". If you choose Windows, your computer will continue to boot Windows as before.

If you choose Puppy Linux, you will get a message "Welcome to Puppy Linux!" and will be asked to press any key to continue. Press any key and the Puppy boot will start up just as if you were using a bootable Live CD. The first time you boot this way, you will need to select your keyboard, mouse and video/screen type just like with the boot CD. However, you will not need to select these options in the future as they will be saved in a file called "pup001" created by Puppy in the "C:" drive's root directory. The size of "pup001" is 128KB rather than 256KB as with the bootable Live CD. The total size of all of the new Puppy Linux files is a bit less than 137MB.

[AUTHOR'S NOTE: When booting Linux, the "Welcome to Puppy Linux!" and requirement to press any key to continue is an excessive step I wanted to eliminate. Indeed, if those steps are taken out of the "AUTOEXEC.BAT" file, Linux still boots. However, rather than listing all the steps and commands in plain text as Linux boots, the Windows logo start screen will reappear, pause and then distort and cause strange images, colors and lines/bars to appear on the screen. It gives an appearance like the computer is crashing or going haywire. It is not, but the appearance is enough to cause panic the first time you experience it, especially for a newbie. Unfortunately, I could fine no other easy way to prevent the Windows logo screen from reappearing and then going beserk except to add the additional "Welcome" message and "Press any key to continue..." prompt. Sorry!]

TO DELETE PUPPY:
If you decide to erase Puppy and return to single-booting Windows, use the System Configuration Editor as you did above to edit "C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT" and "c:\CONFIG.SYS". Erase the text you added in both files, save each file in the System Configuration Editor and then exit the System Configuration Editor. Thereafter, erase the "PUPPY" directory on the "C:" hard drive and all of its contents. Last, erase the "pup001" file on the "C:" drive and you are back to your original Windows-only system.
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Apr 2006, 12:35    Post subject:  

http://dotpups.de/puppy-releases/1.0.7/puppy-for-Win98/puppywin98-without-puppyfiles.zip (only 62 kb)

from here: http://dotpups.de/puppy-releases/1.0.7/puppy-for-Win98/
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toddyjoe

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Apr 2006, 13:04    Post subject:  

Thanks to MU for the link to those files!

Just an update or amendment to my previous post: If you wish to eliminate the "Welcome to Puppy Linux!" message and the prompt to "Press any key to continue..." and have an uninterrupted Linux boot after selecting Puppy, revise step 8 above as follows:
_____________________________________________________________

(8) In the System Configuration Editor, select the "C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT" file window. At the very top of the file contents above the existing text, insert and add the following new text:

REM [Start additions for Linux]
GOTO %CONFIG%

:LINUX
BREAK=ON
C:\PUPPY\GRUB.EXE --config-file=(hd0,0)/puppy/menu.lst

:WIN
REM [End additions for Linux]

Do not change or delete the remaining contents of the "AUTOEXEC.BAT" file. Click on the "File" menu in the System Configuration Editor window and then select "Save".
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Apr 2006, 08:53    Post subject:  

Toddyjoe,
Thanks for the info I am hoping to start to put puppy on the TP some time this week. wish me luck. MU thanks for the links
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2006, 02:57    Post subject:  

OK,
after a long night of setbacks I got to the reboot stage:
At the start up menu I get 3 choices windows,puppy, and 15???? I take puppy and it says
Usage:
GRUB--config-file=FILE
the options are case sensative you must use lowercase letters. Example: GRUB --config-file=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.1st

so ......any ideas?

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2006, 05:40    Post subject:  

(EDITED)

I just now got it working on my own Thinkpad. I'm booting Puppy as a menu option from config.sys in Windows 98SE, using grub, with the added wrinkle that I have Puppy loaded not on the hard drive but rather on a USB flash drive (so, where your menu.lst says hda1, mine says sda1).

Open a DOS window and at the prompt issue these commands (or, run them as a batch file). Be careful to use a double right arrow on each line after the first:

C:>type c:\config.sys>c:\diagnose.txt
C:>type c:\autoexec.bat>>c:\diagnose.txt
C:>type c:\boot\menu.lst>>c:\diagnose.txt
C:>type c:\boot\grub\menu.lst>>c:\diagnose.txt
C:>dir c:\boot >>c:\diagnose.txt
C:>dir c:\boot\grub>>c:\diagnose.txt

If you have grub in a directory called C:\Puppy then substitute Puppy for boot in the above. Now either copy and paste c:\diagnose.txt here, or else attach it in a message. I will see if I can spot what you are doing wrong.

Sit

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2006, 23:51    Post subject:  

To Sit Heel Speak,
At the start of this topic I wrote that I was a computer dummie. So with that being said I did what you said but nothing happaned???
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2006, 00:56    Post subject:  

In Windows, use the mouse to click:

Start / Programs / MS-DOS Prompt

When the DOS window starts, a C:> prompt will appear.

Type the commands in, as above (don't type the "C:>" part). Make sure that every line after the first has ">>" not ">".

This will create file "diagnose.txt" in the root directory of your C: drive.

Type

C:>dir c:\ /od

(don't type the "C:>" part, that's the prompt)

and hit enter and you should see the file diagnose.txt at the bottom of the directory listing.

Open c:\diagnose.txt in Notepad.

Use Shift-downarrow to highlight all the text.

Hit Ctrl-C to put the text into the clipboard.

Reply to this message. In the reply box, hit Ctrl-V to paste the text from diagnose.txt in.

This will put your config.sys, autoexec.bat, and menu.lst plus the requested directory listings into the reply box.

Hit "Submit" and let's take a look.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2006, 01:45    Post subject:  

ok I am starting but the computer I am online is not the one I am puting puppy on. the laptop is a thinkpad 380ED w/ win95
wish me luck!!

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2006, 01:49    Post subject:  

I did not get far..."file not found autoexect.bat Question.....never mind
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2006, 01:55    Post subject:  

Here is my own config.sys, autoexec.bat, and C:\boot\grub\menu.lst. If you are not sure how to modify yours to work like mine, then hire a guru to do all this.

Download the WakeUSB floppy image at

http://www.murga.org/~puppy/download.php?id=1277

and unzip it and use rawrite.exe to expand the .img file to a floppy. Make sure first that the floppy is freshly formatted and has no bad sectors.

Then, if the subdirectory c:\boot does not exist, create it:

(note: these instructions are only for Win 9x or 98SE users. These instructions are not applicable to NT, 2000, or XP. If you have these, don't try this.)


Start a DOS window, change to the directory C:\, do

md c:\boot

...now, copy the files A:\DRIVER\ASPIDISK.SYS and A:\DRIVER\USB\USBASPI.SYS from the WakeUSB floppy to your subdirectory C:\boot:

and then go to

http://grub4dos.freespaces.com/

and download

grub_for_dos-0.4.2pre4.zip

and unzip it to

c:\boot

...grub.exe should now be in c:\boot.

...there is a copy of menu.lst in c:\boot but this is not the one I use, instead I use one I created in c:\boot\grub.

Here is my c:\boot\grub\menu.lst:

timeout 0
title Puppy USB
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PSLEEP=25 PFILE=pup100-none-262144 PHOME=sda1
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/image.gz
boot

(note: the Forum makes lines wrap. There are only six lines:

timeout
title Puppy USB
rootnoverify...
kernel...
initrd...
boot

)

(and second note: strangely, the above menu.lst works for booting from flash drive even though vmlinuz and image.gz are on the flash drive, not on hd0 the hard disk)

However, I have doubled the size of my pup100 file from its default value. For initial use with a fresh install of Puppy 1.0.8, change the "kernel" line to

kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PSLEEP=25 PFILE=pup100-none-131072 PHOME=sda1

so your c:\boot\grub\menu.lst reads:

timeout 0
title Puppy USB
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PSLEEP=25 PFILE=pup100-none-131072 PHOME=sda1
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/image.gz
boot

Then, modify your config.sys and autoexec.bat to use grub.exe. Again, if you don't know what you're doing, hire a guru to help.


***
rem Sit Heel Speak's config.sys in Windows 98SE.
rem This gives the option to boot Puppy from USB flash disk.
rem Note: this still doesn't work for booting Puppy 1.0.8
rem through a USB 2.0 PC Card adapter, but does work when the
rem USB flash drive is in the Thinkpad's rear USB 1.1 port.

[menu]
menuitem=PUPPY, From USB drive.
menuitem=CD, Start computer with CD-ROM support.
menuitem=NOCD, Start computer without CD-ROM support.
menuitem=HELP, View the Help file.
menudefault=CD,3
menucolor=7,0

[PUPPY]
device=C:\WINDOWS\himem.sys /testmem:off /v
rem Load Panasonic v2.20 ASPI manager for USB mass storage.
rem This is copied from the WakeUSB floppy disk.
device=c:\boot\USBASPI.SYS /e /o /u /v /w /slow
rem Load Adaptec v4.01b ASPI disk driver.
rem It maps ASPI mass storage devices to DOS drive letters.
rem This too is copied from the WakeUSB floppy disk.
device=c:\boot\ASPIDISK.SYS

[CD]
device=C:\WINDOWS\himem.sys /testmem:off /v
rem the below drivers are not necessary on my Thinkpad.
rem device=c:\dos\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
rem device=c:\dos\btdosm.sys
rem device=c:\dos\flashpt.sys
rem device=c:\dos\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
rem device=c:\dos\aspi2dos.sys
rem device=c:\dos\aspi8dos.sys
rem device=c:\dos\aspi8u2.sys
rem device=c:\dos\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001
switches= /F /E
dos=high,umb,noauto
device=c:\windows\emm386.exe noems 128 d=64 l=1024 x=a000-cfff i=d000-dfff Win=e000-efff /y=c:\emm386.exe /v
device=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys
device=c:\windows\dblbuff.sys
device=c:\windows\command\ansi.sys
break=off
buffershigh=4,2
fileshigh=68
stackshigh=16,512
lastdrivehigh=n
fcbshigh=5,0
set tmp=c:\
set temp=c:\
shell=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /p /e:512

[NOCD]
device=C:\WINDOWS\himem.sys /testmem:off /v
switches= /F /E
dos=high,umb,noauto
device=c:\windows\emm386.exe noems 128 d=64 l=1024 x=a000-cfff i=d000-dfff Win=e000-efff /y=c:\emm386.exe /v
device=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys
device=c:\windows\dblbuff.sys
device=c:\windows\command\ansi.sys
break=off
buffershigh=4,2
fileshigh=68
stackshigh=16,512
lastdrivehigh=n
fcbshigh=5,0
set tmp=c:\
set temp=c:\
shell=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /p /e:512

[HELP]
device=C:\WINDOWS\himem.sys /testmem:off

[COMMON]
rem End of Sit Heel Speak's config.sys


***********************************************************
rem Sit Heel Speak's autoexec.bat for booting Puppy from disk
rem where the Puppy files are on his USB flash drive.

REM [Start additions for Linux]
IF NOT %CONFIG%==PUPPY goto win98

:PUPPY
break on
c:\boot\grub.exe --config-file=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst
goto theend

:WIN98
REM [End additions for Linux]

(...the rest of my autoexec.bat goes here)

:theend

rem End of Sit Heel Speak's autoexec.bat

*******************************************************

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2006, 02:30    Post subject:  

It occurs to me that I should also post my msdos.sys. The main thing is the BootGUI=0 line; I do not let Windows automatically boot the GUI, rather I start it from within autoexec.bat with a

win

line near the bottom. This way, Windows won't try to boot itself after you exit Puppy.


msdos.sys follows.
********************************
;SYS
[Paths]
WinDir=C:\WINDOWS
WinBootDir=C:\WINDOWS
HostWinBootDrv=C
UninstallDir=C:\

[Options]
BootMulti=1
BootGUI=0
DoubleBuffer=1
AutoScan=1
WinVer=4.10.2222
;
;The following lines are required for compatibility with other programs.
;Do not remove them (MSDOS.SYS needs to be >1024 bytes).
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BootMenuDelay=2
BootMenu=1
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