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tronkel


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 04:46    Post subject:  

Good results so far with this Wary 0.9. It all basically works on this hardware.

Cannot get full-screen video using PupTelly, but this has been a problem on this harware with most recent Puppies other than Puppy 5. WLAN needs several attempts to connect. This is also nothing new and could be related to a dodgy USB connection on the WLAN dongle itself.

To complement this fine new Puppy version, how about a slimmed-down version of the newly announced LibreOffice?

This is being managed by:www.documentfoundation.org as an initiative to free the community version from the shackles of Oracle. It's main philosophy is that no non-free extensions will be allowed and that pace of development will be accelerated unhampered by Oracle's priorities. Damn good thing IMHO. Watch this space.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 04:57    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Any plans to include a 'generic' quickpet in Wary - Mick01 is working on this
Is easy package installation bling?


Yeah, a quickpet helper thingy would be most useful to enable people to quickly install the best video driver for their hardware.

01micko's new Nvidia PET for Wary is a good example of that.

We can also have ATI PETs.

I'm going to have a go at creating some special Intel Xorg PETs for more recent video hardware.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 05:26    Post subject:  

No problems with video, old or new kit, but cannot get sound working in 2.6.35.7 nor 2.6.30 (ALC658). [This version of HardInfo is cr*p - it cannot tell me my sound chip designation]. Where is the simple mixer? All the other distros have one, it can't be very big and makes checking problem sound issues so much easier.
35.7 also has SM set to offline as default, 30.? is OK.

Otherwise quite speedy. Can't wait for the smart guys to offer .pets for decent browsers!

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 05:33    Post subject:  

NOTE: After creating a savefile SNS worked flawlessly, see post below
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ugh!

SNS and Dougal's network wizard both failed me on my old P3 with Acx card. This time ndiswrapper loaded just fine, but it is raining here, all the doors are shut on the house (I'm in the shed) and consequently I am getting a weaker than usual signal, BUT, with tempestuous' simple command line instructions, which I learnt awhile ago didn't fail me, so there is a bug, and it occurs on the second loop when we are testing for an 'open' key.. (which is what my wep is).. it seems from the log that the essid is forgotten because it says "essid off/any"
Code:
Information about this interface:
 Interface: wlan0  Driver: ndiswrapper  Bus: pci  MacAddress: 00:09:5B:BA:43:F8
 Description: MS Windows driver 'wg311v2'
 
STEP1a: ifconfig wlan0 up
STEP1b: iwlist wlan0 scan
          Cell 01 - Address: 00:15:6D:54:4E:80
                    ESSID:"MyPort Hotspot Southport"
                    Protocol:IEEE 802.11b
                    Mode:Managed
                    Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1)
                    Quality:35/100  Signal level:-73 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
                    Encryption key:off
                    Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s
                    Extra:bcn_int=100
                    Extra:atim=0
          Cell 02 - Address: 00:1D:0F:F8:38:26
                    ESSID:"TP-LINK"
                    Protocol:IEEE 802.11b
                    Mode:Managed
                    Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
                    Quality:23/100  Signal level:-81 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
                    Encryption key:on
                    Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
                              9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s
                              48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                    Extra:bcn_int=100
                    Extra:atim=0
          Cell 03 - Address: C0:3F:0E:65:24:A0
                    ESSID:"OPTUSA65249E"
                    Protocol:IEEE 802.11b
                    Mode:Managed
                    Frequency:2.442 GHz (Channel 7)
                    Quality:31/100  Signal level:-76 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
                    Encryption key:on
                    Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
                              9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s
                              48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                    Extra:bcn_int=100
                    Extra:atim=0
                    IE: WPA Version 1
                        Group Cipher : TKIP
                        Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
                        Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
          Cell 04 - Address: 00:1F:33:88:95:94
                    ESSID:"OPTUSA889594"
                    Protocol:IEEE 802.11b
                    Mode:Managed
                    Frequency:2.442 GHz (Channel 7)
                    Quality:23/100  Signal level:-81 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
                    Encryption key:on
                    Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 22 Mb/s
                              6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s
                              36 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                    Extra:bcn_int=100
                    Extra:atim=0
                    IE: WPA Version 1
                        Group Cipher : TKIP
                        Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
                        Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
          Cell 05 - Address: 00:24:B2:7B:70:CE
                    ESSID:"Blaste"
                    Protocol:IEEE 802.11b
                    Mode:Managed
                    Frequency:2.452 GHz (Channel 9)
                    Quality:37/100  Signal level:-72 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
                    Encryption key:on
                    Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
                              9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s
                              48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                    Extra:bcn_int=100
                    Extra:atim=0
                    IE: WPA Version 1
                        Group Cipher : TKIP
                        Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
                        Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
          Cell 06 - Address: 00:22:B0:F3:3B:06
                    ESSID:"DLINK"
                    Protocol:IEEE 802.11b
                    Mode:Managed
                    Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
                    Quality:20/100  Signal level:-83 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
                    Encryption key:on
                    Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 22 Mb/s
                              6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s
                              36 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                    Extra:bcn_int=200
                    Extra:atim=0
                    IE: WPA Version 1
                        Group Cipher : TKIP
                        Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
                        Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
          Cell 07 - Address: 00:24:D2:72:7D:32
                    ESSID:"RTA1046VW"
                    Protocol:IEEE 802.11b
                    Mode:Managed
                    Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11)
                    Quality:18/100  Signal level:-84 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
                    Encryption key:on
                    Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
                              9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s
                              48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                    Extra:bcn_int=100
                    Extra:atim=0
                    IE: WPA Version 1
                        Group Cipher : TKIP
                        Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
                        Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
STEP1c: ifconfig wlan0 down
STEP2: iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
STEP3: iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
STEP4: iwconfig wlan0 essid "TP-LINK"
STEP5: iwconfig wlan0 key restricted XXXXXXXXXX
STEP5a: ifconfig wlan0 up

ERROR, TIMEOUT. Have not got an Access Point.
Result of 'iwconfig wlan0':
wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any 
          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated   
          Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:10 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3 
          RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
          Encryption key:XXXX-XXXX-XX   Security mode:restricted
          Power Management:off
          Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0


STEP5: iwconfig wlan0 key open XXXXXXXXXX
STEP5a: ifconfig wlan0 up

ERROR, TIMEOUT. Have not got an Access Point.
Result of 'iwconfig wlan0':
wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any 
          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated   
          Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:10 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3 
          RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
          Encryption key:XXXX-XXXX-XX   Security mode:open
          Power Management:off
          Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0


 
*********************************************************
LAST 10 LINES of /var/log/messages:
Oct  9 19:07:29 puppypc local0.err dhcpcd[2340]: wlan0: timed out
Oct  9 19:07:29 puppypc local0.info dhcpcd[2340]: wlan0: trying to use old lease in `/var/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-wlan0.info'
Oct  9 19:07:29 puppypc local0.err dhcpcd[2340]: wlan0: lease information file `/var/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-wlan0.info' does not exist
Oct  9 19:07:29 puppypc local0.info dhcpcd[2340]: wlan0: probing for an IPV4LL address
Oct  9 19:07:30 puppypc local0.warn dhcpcd[2340]: wlan0: using IPV4LL address 169.254.218.209
Oct  9 19:07:30 puppypc local0.info dhcpcd[2340]: wlan0: adding IP address 169.254.218.209/16
Oct  9 19:07:30 puppypc local0.info dhcpcd[2340]: wlan0: exiting
Oct  9 19:07:50 puppypc local0.info dhcpcd[2689]: wlan0: received SIGTERM, stopping
Oct  9 19:07:50 puppypc local0.info dhcpcd[2689]: wlan0: removing IP address 169.254.218.209/16
Oct  9 19:07:50 puppypc local0.info dhcpcd[2689]: wlan0: exiting


Just a thought.. would it pay to echo the essid to a tmp file and then retrieve it on each loop? May slow things by a fraction but should be more reliable. Then of course delete the tmp file once we're connected.

Also, can't get sound on my sblive vibralux.. but I haven't tried too hard yet.. the mixer shows muted even when I adjust it, alsa mixer appears ok. I might install retrovol to see if that works (may have to compile).

Now to compile the OLD nvidia Wink (BTW, still with k2.6.35.7)

Cheers

EDIT.. woops, missed some XX's

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 05:35    Post subject:  

I'm also having sound problems with the later kernel.

While attempting to configure sound using the alsa wizard, a warning message on a yellow background appears (too fast to read fully) saying something about depmod-full.

There is also a warning about sound in the initial boot console text output.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 05:44    Post subject:  

tronkel wrote:
I'm also having sound problems with the later kernel.

While attempting to configure sound using the alsa wizard, a warning message on a yellow background appears (too fast to read fully) saying something about depmod-full.

There is also a warning about sound in the initial boot console text output.

tronkel, the warning message on the yellow background is normal, and the boot message is a harmless (seemingly) bug about modprobe.conf being deprecated, it occurs for some modems too, if they are detected.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 06:04    Post subject:  

Did 2 things with the sound problem.
Renamed the depmod symlink in /sbin to xdepmod. (i.e. disable it). then renamed depmod-FULL to depmod.

Then installed retrovol from the PPM. Started retrovol and noticed one of the capture channels was unchecked.

Microphone now works.

Alsamixer seems to be buggy therefore?

edit: renamed depmod back to depmod-FULL and restored the symlink to depmod as was the default. Sound is still OK, so the problem is somewhere in alsamixer.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 06:22    Post subject: Wary90 on XO-1
Subject description: save first session problem
 

I have wary90 running on the OLPC XO-1 and almost everything looks OK including sound!
All I had to do is provide a proper (OLPC-based) kernel and modify a bit xorgwizard to include the XO-1's resolution (1200x900)

However,
original wary failed to find the puppy files because could not determine the boot device (an etx3 formatted USB stick).
Defining "PDEV1=sda1" at boot solved this issue and booted fine but on exit failed to save the session. eg offer the option to save the session!
Further defining consecutively DEV1FS, PMEDIA and PSAVEMARK still failed to offer the save session option at shudown.
The Pupstate at the end looked like this
Code:
PUPMODE=5
PDEV1='sda1'
DEV1FS='ext3'
PUPSFS='sda1,ext2,/wary_090.sfs'
PUPSAVE=''
PMEDIA='usbhd' #or usbflash
#kernel with libata pata has both sata and pata drives in ATADRIVES...
ATADRIVES=''
#these directories are unionfs/aufs layers in /initrd...
SAVE_LAYER=''
PUP_LAYER='/pup_ro2'
#The partition that has the warysave file is mounted here...
PUP_HOME=''
#(in /initrd) ...note, /mnt/home is a link to it.
#this file has extra kernel drivers and firmware...
ZDRV=''
#complete set of modules in the initrd (moved to main f.s.)...
ZDRVINIT='yes'
#Partition no. override on boot drive to which session is (or will be) saved...
PSAVEMARK='sda1'  # '1' fixes it see edit

but no cigar.

I'm assuming this is due to the changes in initrd/init and rc.shutdown that are now more flexible in puppyfile location but I can't see how Confused

I understand that this is not really wary90, but I would appreciate any suggestions

EDIT: boot argument "PSAVEMARK=1" worked Very Happy
But should be some way to automate this....

EDIT2: In the working setting it still takes a good 2 minutes (!) to search for the files at boot in a 2GB stick (one etx3 and one vfat formatted) and then gives the option to load nothing (0) warysave.2fs (1) and warysave.2fs (2) thought there is only one warysave.2fs!!!

Dit anybody else tried to boot wary090 from a USB stick? Is this the expected behavior?

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 06:24    Post subject:  

Seamonkey version 2.07 as supplied with Wary 0.9 had a problem with crashing. This is showing up in Wary 0.9.

This problem was solved by Mozilla in the subsequent 2.08 bug-fixed version.

So this current Seamonkey needs updating to the 2.08 version.

If you try to search for the update using the Help-> check for updates menu item, the dialog just keeps reporting that it is searching, but never finds the update. Can this be fixed for Puppy using an "update-enable" ./configure option when compiling from source?

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 07:22    Post subject: Re: Wary Puppy 0.9 (090) feedback
Subject description: nvidia
 

BarryK wrote:
Billtoo wrote:
I did a full install of 090 kernel 2.6.35.7 on another partition.
I installed the devx and the kernal_src-2.6.35.7-patched.sfs and I
downloaded the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-256.53.run driver from the nvidia
site.I then exited to the prompt and did "sh NVIDIA-Linux-256.53.run",
it returned an error at one point "/sbin/depmod -aq invalid option"
but it gave me the option to continue which I did.
Unfortunately the driver didn't install so no accelerated graphics.


All Woof-built puppies use Busybox depmod, which has been a contentious decision.

However, the full depmod is still there, renamed to 'depmod-FULL'.

So, just rename /sbin/depmod to something else, and rename /sbin/depmod-FULL to /sbin/depmod, and the Nvidia installer will be happy.


# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 090

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: G84 Board - p402h00 Chip Rev

Driver used by Xorg:
#card0driver

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#
That fixed it, the Nvidia installer worked this time and I have accelerated graphics.Nexuiz runs at 1440x900 with effects set to ultra!
Thank-you.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 08:03    Post subject:  

Download, burn, reboot. Back on line. No problems, sound and network setup without questions. Video setup straight forward.

Mainboard: ASUS P4S533 with P4 2800 Ghz 512 Mb - 32 Mb (shared video) Found my HP scanner however missed the Dynalink RTA100+ router.

Now to do a frugal on my Acer 270 Smile

Well done Barry and the team.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 08:48    Post subject:  

I have successfuly compiled the nvidia-71.86.14 driver for the real old nvidia cards, such as Vantas and TNTs. I have never seen mine with such a good frame rate.(Look for a DOTpet soon)
Code:
# glxgears
997 frames in 5.0 seconds = 199.400 FPS
1057 frames in 5.0 seconds = 211.400 FPS
1084 frames in 5.0 seconds = 216.800 FPS
1063 frames in 5.0 seconds = 212.600 FPS
1069 frames in 5.0 seconds = 213.800 FPS
1036 frames in 5.0 seconds = 207.200 FPS

video report
Code:
# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 090

Chip description:
oem: NVidia
product: Riva TNT Chip Rev B1

Driver used by Xorg:
nvidia

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution:  Depth 24  Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video


Funny thing, after I made a savefile networking was a cinch, I have 256MB RAM and a 400MB swap, so that seems weird, now on to sound.

Later on sound... obmixer will not uncheck the mute checkbox on this hardware (old sblive vibralux), so I installed retrovol from quirky in PPM and deleted obmixer_tray from ~/Startup and all is well.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 09:20    Post subject:  

Booted fine from CD on my:
Code:
HP Compaq dc5100 SFF
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
MemTotal:        3107212 k


Xorgwizard probe goes to:
Code:
VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 090

Chip description:
 Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution:  Depth 24  Depth: "Display"

Which defaults to 1680x1050 no matter what resolution I choose. This is the same as the Puppy4 series. (used to use xrandr to get my resolution)

Placing the i810 driver back in /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ and choosing it gives me the resolution I want 1280x1024.

So far so good. Very Happy

I begin trying my favourite programs. Everything seems to work until I get to gnumeric. Crying or Very sad

The format-cells crash is back.
Code:
# gnumeric
Segmentation fault
Not something I use a lot, but when I need it, I need it.

Also had trouble with Googleearth crashing X, both 4.3 which worked in Puppy4 and 5.1 which works in Quirky, both in SFS form.

installed mesa-6.5.2-w5.pet and 4.3 still crashed X but 5.1 froze the computer requiring manual reboot.

01micko wrote:
There seems to be a bug with pfix=ram.

the blue led was on on sda5, so the live cd detected that the sfs was on the drive and loaded that. Ok, not a big pain for me.. perhaps it's a new feature?

The pupmode is definitely 5, so that suggests I'm running live. See screeny.

Cheers


Ditto, tried the pfix=ram,copy. Didn't make any difference.

Not a bad package but I must say that Quirky 120-130 work better on this machine.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 09:27    Post subject:  

Can confirm the Gnumeric crash when formatting cells.

A Lite version of OpenOffice or even better, the new LibreOffice would be a better idea IMHO. This would mean that Gnumeric could be dropped and thereby space could be saved. Same for Abiword.

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Terryphi


Joined: 02 Jul 2008
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Location: West Wales, Britain.

PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 09:59    Post subject:  

jrb wrote:

Not a bad package but I must say that Quirky 120-130 work better on this machine.


Same here.
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