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Wishing for a TRUE clean slate Puppy 5.1.?
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Dragynn

Joined: 02 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Sat 11 Sep 2010, 16:45    Post subject:  Wishing for a TRUE clean slate Puppy 5.1.?  

I guess i'll need to learn to build Puppies myself, what i'm really wishing for is a true simple clean slate, one similar to Turbodog Xtreme, fast and light with no fat in the way of services, but also free of pretty much ALL software packages.

Very few people I know use spreadsheets daily, I see zero reason to have a program for them installed by default. I don't need a stopwatch on my laptop, or an alarm clock. I don't use word processors, a simple notepad will do. I don't need a personal wiki. I don't need file sharing apps and I don't need a torrent ANYTHING (and certainly not multiples). I don't need 10 different media players, VLC will do for most everything. I don't need games loaded by default, if I want some, i'll get some I actually like, i'd rather other people not decide these things for me. I don't need any geek tools whatsoever on my ancient PIII laptop, I don't plan on writing any code or comparing files, if I want to write some code, i'll use notepad (leafpad or whatever, NOT Abiword).

Not complaining here, quite the contrary, Puppy is an amazing resource, and the people here and the forums are invaluable, just wishing for a very clean canvas, one I can add my own preferred apps to easily to make my own flavor of Pup...just the bread please, not everyone likes french toast, lol, and I think that this idea fits into the heart of Puppy as a concept, completely simple, compact, portable, and able to assume any role it's needed in with just a few additions and few menu choices to confuse the new folks.

Thanks and have a great day y'all!

*edit* edited title of thread since I think what i'm looking for is a sort of 5.1 basic, 5.1.1 works great and has a nice configurable GUI that is fast yet has enough comfort, just need to be completely rid of about 40 apps and all their traces and dependencies without breaking the install, my goal/dream is less than 200 mb total ram usage at startup idle.

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pemasu


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PostPosted: Sat 11 Sep 2010, 17:21    Post subject:  

Stripped down 4.3.1 to 60 MB jrb`s barebones.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=348088#348088
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Béèm


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PostPosted: Sat 11 Sep 2010, 18:38    Post subject:  

Or else you could do a remastering and remove all packages you don't want.

Indeed packages take HDD space (well in fact in the xxx.sfs file) but I am not convinced your system will have more performance with the packages removed.

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Dragynn

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Sep 2010, 13:26    Post subject:  

Béèm wrote:
Or else you could do a remastering and remove all packages you don't want.

Indeed packages take HDD space (well in fact in the xxx.sfs file) but I am not convinced your system will have more performance with the packages removed.


Well i'm trying, but so far no luck getting a re-master to actually work, or even a USB install of an un-modified Pup for that matter. Sitting in a sea of discs right now and trying to read through all the threads to find out where my mistake is. The Turbodog pup i'm working on actually has a couple of different utilities for re-mastering, neither of which has proved to be fruitful so far.

I believe it will be somewhat faster with less clutter, I know from many many re-wipes/loads of OS'es over the years that a fresh load runs fast, and starts to slow down the more programs you load and of course with everyday use, but that's a secondary issue, and again let me stress that this is just my own subjective preference, but to me, running around with an old slow laptop with a gazillion whizbang programs and utilities on it, is like loading both of my 5 foot tall toolboxes, my home stereo and CD collection, my computer, and my washing machine into my truck, just to drive to the store for a soda.

Still working on it....thanks for the reply!
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coopsurv

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 09:29    Post subject: simplified re-mastering  

try this... keepin' it simple.

first, sfs... aka pup_xxx.sfs are in short, compressed zip/tar... blah.

create dir in root partition with rox...

aka... /mnt/hd...

such as:

/mnt/hda2/sfs_build_cpup

drop a copy of your current:

pup_xxx.sfs into /mnt/hd.../lost+found and rename... so you can mount it, then:

simply copy all of it's contents to your created dir, edit... remove to suit.

DO NOT focus on a perfect Pup... not a OS built that doesn't have a bit of junk.

...simply focus on bulk such as:

gnumeric, abiword... blah.

most of bulk resides in:

/usr/...blah name and
/usr/local
/usr/share for some.

remove such from your working dir... as to the perfect build... if your not sure DO NOT remove it.

...when your done, simply use:

mksquashfs:

/mnt/hd.../sfs_b... /mnt/hd.../lost...

this simply compresses your edited dir... then

use:

isomaster to replace pup_xxx.sfs.

...of course back-up before overwrite and qemu works well here for testing verses rebooting a possible bad pup_xxx.sfs

this method allows you to tinker...aka learning curve, without harming your working system... especially if using qemu.

good luck.

as to your stuff not working... it's likely a grub thing.

GRUB is best bootloader around... but as any it's menu.lst has to be proper... no room for error.

if you want further blah... reply.

good luck.

-or...

try mine at:

puppy2.org/coopsurv

...it has little bloat and

works smoothly on:

p2-300mhz, 128mb

flies on:

p3-500, 256 and above.
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Flash
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 10:04    Post subject:  

Dragynn, have you considered Barry's latest? Wary is a minimal OS that you add programs to.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 10:29    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
Dragynn, have you considered Barry's latest? Wary is a minimal OS that you add programs to.

No it's not. It's a conventional 100+MB Puppy that lets you plug in an older kernel.
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stu90


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 10:54    Post subject:  

I used PANZERKOPF's version of Dougal's Pupremaster script for my last re master to ISO of Lucid Puppy 5.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=46739
Its a bit boring no audio but i recorded the full remaster process from start to finish here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5xXWtkvw50
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big_bass

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 12:24    Post subject:  

Quote:
what i'm really wishing for is a true simple clean slate



well no one else put a focus on that requirement
I did


I built TXZ_pup based on that thought Exclamation
everything can be removed pre installed programs down to the very last file and have a zero kb base Very Happy
using the package manager with A GUI




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Roger Hunter

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 16:39    Post subject:  

Why not go the GoboLinux way?

Each program resides in a separate directory with all the files it needs to run.

To avoid duplication there can be an alias file telling it where to find anything not in there with it.

Simplicity can be more valuable than saving space in an age of terabyte disks, seems to me.

Roger
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 01:17    Post subject:  

stu90 wrote:
I used PANZERKOPF's version of Dougal's Pupremaster script for my last re master to ISO of Lucid Puppy 5.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=46739
Its a bit boring no audio but i recorded the full remaster process from start to finish here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5xXWtkvw50


The script referred to here will make the remaster process a breeze. Give it a try.
TIP During the remaster process, the script creates a secondary /root/ directory in your /temp/ folder, and the option to edit this manually is presented during the process. THIS IS IMPORTANT: on some versions of Puppy, this remaster process borks the package manager. Avoid this as follows: before starting, move the directory /root/.packages/ out of /root/ to /mnt/home. When prompted to hand edit /temp/root/ during the remaster process, copy it back to /temp/root and all will be well. Dont forget to finally MOVE it back to your original Puppy after remastering Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 01:54    Post subject:  

Hello Dragynn,
Why don't you start up your favorite Puppy navigate to /usr/share/applications and delete ever application desktop file you don't like and refresh the menu. Now you only see the Applications you want, Remaster it and you done. Puppy isn't that big to start with.

Sorry but what you list as not needed doesn't leave you with much! at all.

It reminds me of a pupplet MU made that was only 10- 18mb's big if I remember?

Still not happy! Navigate to http://puppylinux.ca/puppyfiles/vintage/ and download something small here. Barebones may be.

User = puppy password = linux

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 02:00    Post subject:  

I used the "Woofy" remaster tool to remove loads of stuff very quickly from my ISO.

I simply opened pfilesearch (not pfind), clicked the "search current filesystem only" option and searched for stuff I wanted removed, like "abiword", "gnumeric", "xine", "gxine", etc...

Then I coped the results that were returned into one long text file, so I had a list of full paths for all the files I wanted to remove.

I even added and removed a few things from the list, to make it how I want it.

Then I ran Woofy, and gave it the iso to edit and the list of files to delete, and clicked go..
It made a small ISO, with all the files removed. Very Happy

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Dragynn

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Sep 2010, 21:31    Post subject:  

sc0ttman wrote:


I simply opened pfilesearch (not pfind), clicked the "search current filesystem only" option and searched for stuff I wanted removed, like "abiword", "gnumeric", "xine", "gxine", etc...


Lol, 600+ files later i'm wondering if the word "simple" means the same thing to you as it does to me? Laughing Laughing

So i'm guessing when you say edit ISO file, you don't mean an intact .iso, but rather the .sfs file within? Tried it on an iso, knew it was too quick to have worked, lol, made me a nice copy of 5.1.1 though Wink

Okay, maybe i'll get it right this go-around, thanks for all the hard work scottman!

*edit* hmmm, no, not sfs, shoot what am i doing wrong? I have woofy loaded, I have the .iso and the text list of file paths are in a working directory on my hard-drive in an ext3 partition mounted to a running Lupu 5.1.1. It seems pretty straightforward and it does create an iso with the name I specified, but it's a duplicate in every other way of 5.1.1 Lupu.
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Dragynn

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Sep 2010, 19:41    Post subject:  

So, since for some reason no re-mastering tool, and no Woof, and no Woofy seem to respond for me.... and since I have taken the time to build a removal list as detailed in the Woofy documentation, couldn't I just use Coopsurv's methodology and instead of going through the sfs again, use my list I compiled for Woofy of full paths to the items I want to delete, and do a batch-deletion of those files and then re-master? Is there a way to do batch deletions in Puppy? su rm and then the list of files/paths?
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