Wary 0.7 mix-n-match feedback

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rcrsn51 · #41 Post by **rcrsn51** » Mon 06 Sep 2010, 16:45

tronkel wrote:Come to think of it, it would be handy for newbies to have access to a nice little script with a GUI front-end that would automatically download the necessary files for a particular Wary and its kernel, build and then burn the ISO to CD. Call it Select-a-Pup?

Which creates an interesting chicken-versus-egg situation. I'm a newbie that needs a Puppy with support for my dialup modem. I am expected to download the ISO for a different Puppy, burn it, launch it and run a tool that builds the Puppy I need. But how do I get online to download it without the dialup support that I'm looking for in the first place?

Or do you see this as a Windows installer?

tronkel · #42 Post by **tronkel** » Mon 06 Sep 2010, 18:13

rcrsn51 wrote:

Which creates an interesting chicken-versus-egg situation

That is a point perhaps. A newbie will very often be a Windows refugee or a refugee from some other Linux. If this is the case, but assuming he has dial-up access from Windows, he can then access any Puppy he likes including say a Puppy standard ISO to act as a launchpad into Linux. If there is no dial-up access from either Windows or another Linux, then he would in any case have to obtain his Puppy ISO via another route, e.g. from someone who does have an internet connection. This must be a common scenario.

I visualised this more as a general Linux script that would run in say Puppy itself and would allow even a newbie who already has a working Puppy (or some other Linux setup) to have easy access to other kernel builds in order to try to improve hardware recognition for internet connections as well as other issues such as e.g. video hardware.

Stripe · #43 Post by **Stripe** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 08:38

Hi all

Just downloaded and created 2 iso,s 2.6.7.47 & 2.6.33 to test on my 800mhz box and see if it made a difference (no problem downloading the files and making the iso's) , tried them both out as clean frugal installs on my main machine (2x core AMD) and pmusic would only work properly on the 2.6.7.47 version. I have been testing lupid with 01micko, Playdayz and the team, and I had similar problems with some of the multimedia programs. I am only a Newbie but could the kernel version used to compile a program and make the pet affect the way it works with other kernel versions?

Edited to say
Still on the AMD X2 machine
Clean frugal install on 2.6.30.5- updated & 2.6.34.1 and audio problems with the installed software on both (the same as 511 and a woof built lucid (with Larry)) only installed audio software that works is on 2.6.7.47 as well as fluppy004 and puppy 4.31. (yet with 511 any audio software added as a pet works fine, have not tested this with wary yet)

Edited to update
Audio Software added as pets after frugal install works with wary, Installed software will work as a live CD or after a reboot on a frugal install as long as there is not a save file present. as soon as a save file is created the problems begin. (delete the save file and the audio is back to normal.)

Cheers
Stripe

Lobster · #44 Post by **Lobster** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 09:17

I can foresee that future mainstream Puppy versions will all have the ability to offer the user various kernel choices as routine, so a script such has this might be a long-term investment.

As usual kernel choosing is a new game and a good one.
I have to use ready made ISO as I do not have the patience to download and glue my ISO together. So I used Shinobars effort (which he has also modified) - ah well . . . very pleased to be using Wary.

So are some of you ISO creators gonna provide the ready made ISO?

Hope so.

Wary is working for me.
Things I miss from Lucid however . . . programs, ATI drivers all those quickpet goodies . . .
.
Barry is compiling some programs in between painting, I hope we get Openshot - wait a minute there is an SFS of that - maybe that will work . . .

Anyone written a pwget front-end GUI that downloads chosen kernel
+ files and calls up burniso2cd?

Tronkel could do it in Vala during his coffee break

rcrsn51 · #45 Post by **rcrsn51** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 15:09

I went back through some threads dealing with problematic old hardware and it seems like the best solutions were retro kernels such as 2.6.21.7 and 2.6.25.16.

Maybe those would be more appropriate choices for testing.

Billtoo · #46 Post by **Billtoo** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 17:37

I made an iso with the 2.6.34.1 kernel and burned it to a dvd and
tried it out on 3 computers.
On my core 2 quad it seemed to work okay, it was connected to the
internet on eth0 on first boot but as soon as I created a save file
and installed the devx file the internet was no longer
connected.Running the setup wizard didn't help, it couldn't find etho
and I plugged in a linksys usb wireless adaptor and it couldn't see
that either.No modules would load, eth0 or wireless. (gave up)

On my hp core 2 duo the network worked fine, that computer uses a
linksys usb adaptor.The keyboard didn't work properly, the arrows keys
wouldn't work although the arrow keys on the numeric keypad side did
work. (gave up)

On my Eeepc 701 which has an external 19' lcd and a fullsized usb
keyboard attached, xorg wouldn't work.Vesa worked but the resolution
wouldn't go higher than the maximum for the builtin screen which isn't
so good on the external 19" lcd.Problem with keyboard arrow keys on
this on too.

I tried adding the kernel source sfs file (which I tracked down on
your blog) and installing that and then downloading the proprietory
(sp?) drivers and exiting to the prompt (ati x1600 on the hp and
nvidia 8600 gt on the core 2 quad) and running the file but it got
errors in both cases and it's beyond me how to correct that.

After several hours of trying this kernel and failing in one way or
another,I think 2.6.30.5 is the one for me

tronkel · #47 Post by **tronkel** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 18:44

Just been playing with Vala/Glade in Wary 5 with the 2.6.30 kernel.

Seems to be working well as far as I can tell from a test build.

Since Vala compiling as well as the Valaide IDE seem to be broken in Lucid 5.1.1 at the moment, a temporary work-around is to use Wary 5 to do the compiling for 5.1.1. The Vala executables work OK in 5.1.1.

James C · #48 Post by **James C** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 20:54

Manual frugal install of Wary 070 (2.6.34.1) on my main Linux box.Display and internet working on initial boot.....had Alsa wizard to get sound working. settings have been retained through several reboots.
Working fine.

VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 070

Chip description:
oem: S3 Graphics ProSavage DDR Family BIOS
product: VBE 3.0 Rev 0.0

Driver used by Xorg:
savage

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

-Computer
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1002MB (134MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.07
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Tue 07 Sep 2010 03:53:46 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation

Billtoo · #49 Post by **Billtoo** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 23:23

After seeing the message of James C. I had another go with my 2.6.34.1
live dvd on my acer desktop.
The first attached jpeg shows just after booting with pfix=ram and
having gone through xorg etc.
The second attached jpeg shows after rebooting and creating a save
file, nothing else, didn't load any sfs files etc.
Note the lower right hand corner in both pictures for network status
and the time of day.
Attempting to load network modules after the second boot didn't work,
it didn't see eth0 and no module that I tried would load.

piratesmack · #50 Post by **piratesmack** » Wed 08 Sep 2010, 03:31

Just noticed this on the Gparted site:

WARNING: GParted 0.6.0 contains two serious bugs when copying or moving partitions. For more details see: Bug #623630, and Bug #623697.

Can you upgrade Gparted in the next release?

chrismt · #51 Post by **chrismt** » Wed 08 Sep 2010, 08:49

Too bad I cannot use Firefox in Wary

I installed the Firefox 3.6.4 beta from the Quirky Repo because I couldn't find another

After install, it gave me a list of depend.

File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/plugin-container has these missing library files:
libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/plugins/libnullplugin.so has these missing library files:
libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/libxul.so has these missing library files:
libdbus-glib-1.so.2 libdbus-1.so.3
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/libxpcom.so has these missing library files:
libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/firefox-bin has these missing library files:
libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/components/libimgicon.so has these missing library files:
libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/components/libdbusservice.so has these missing library files:
libdbus-glib-1.so.2 libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/components/libnkgnomevfs.so has these missing library files:
libgnomevfs-2.so.0 libgconf-2.so.4 libORBit-2.so.0 libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/components/libbrowserdirprovider.so has these missing library files:
libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/components/libmozgnome.so has these missing library files:
libgconf-2.so.4 libORBit-2.so.0 libgnomevfs-2.so.0 libnotify.so.1 libdbus-glib-1.so.2 libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2
File /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.4beta/components/libbrowsercomps.so has these missing library files:
libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-glib-1.so.2

Can someone help me with this?

chrismt · #52 Post by **chrismt** » Wed 08 Sep 2010, 08:55

I found the rest libs

I need help with these

libgnomevfs-2.so.0

libgconf-2.so.4

libORBit-2.so.0

libnotify.so.1

chrismt · #53 Post by **chrismt** » Wed 08 Sep 2010, 09:58

I fixed the problem

I installed Firefox 3.6.3 Pet from the Puppy 5.1 directory and it is now working

But I have some graphics problem

http://www.tribalwars.net is not displayed properly

Regards

gjuhasz · #54 Post by **gjuhasz** » Wed 08 Sep 2010, 12:30

Barry,

1. I have non-US keyboard that cannot be well configured in Wary-70. Keymap is bad, cursor moving keys do not work. It's the same as in Wary-60 (both with Xvesa in VirtualBox). Using -kb option (see http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01764) does not help too much.
Note that I can use Slackpup with vesa driver and all 4.x puppies with vmware driver in VirtualBox.

2. In general, Wary-70 is the fastest Puppy I ever tested on my PII 400 Mhz, 256 MB machine, Neomagic chipset, frugal install. I don't see performance differences if I install Wary with different Linux versions. Excellent! Thanks again.

3. Beyond the above, there are a few mentionable video problems I see (only in case of Wary)

a) Mesa gives high boost (try glxdemo) but it does not add glx to vesa driver. In contrast, vesa works with Xorg_High in Lupu. It is interesting that glxgears (mesa) does not rotate the gears at the default size of the window. If resized, the smaller is the glxgears window, the quicker is the rotation. In LKupu, in contrast, Xorg_High rotates them with constant rpm regardless of the window size. Framerate is three times higher at mesa - run glxdemo to show the significant difference.

b) Some software do not like each other (only in Wary). Pwidgets blocks Skype and geany, for example.

c) Mplayer video settings cannot be saved thru the UI to show some TV streams, such as NBC in Wary-070. No such problem in Slackpup or in Wary-060. Mplayer-post-1.0rc3-svn-31792-i486.pet is very nice, fast and is well configurable also in Wary-070, however.

So, I would appreciate if the next Wary could come out with fixed Xvesa; fixed Abiword; the latest Mplayer included in the sfs; vmware driver added and vesa driver fixed to support virtualization. Maybe Wary Puppy could also be dare enough

to bite the latest nightly build of Seamonkey...

chrismt wrote:I fixed the problem

I installed Firefox 3.6.3 Pet from the Puppy 5.1 directory and it is now working

But I have some graphics problem

http://www.tribalwars.net is not displayed properly

Regards

chrismt,

I assume you use Xvesa. I see the FF rendering problem in Wary-070 but FF rendering is OK in Wary-060 (both with Xvesa). However, Seamonkey 2.0.6 renders well in Wary-070.

I checked with the last nightly build of Firefox. It renders poorly, too.
(I added the attached libs to /usr/lib then created the symlinks there as shown in the picture)
Anyway, why to try a beta while there is an alpha available?

Download Seamonkey 2.1a3 and masquerade it (edit line 66 of prefs.js) to identify itself as Firefox...

Edit, Sep 08: Mozilla made a static Seamonkey 2.1b1pre available today. I edit this post from this beta installed in Wary-070.
It is masqueraded to Firefox by default

James C · #55 Post by **James C** » Wed 08 Sep 2010, 19:30

Wary 070 (2.6.27.47) live, working but a bit slow.

VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 070

Chip description:
Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 530/620 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter

Driver used by Xorg:
sis

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 16 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

-Computer-
Processor : M II 2.5x Core/Bus Clock
Memory : 121MB (64MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.07
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed 08 Sep 2010 02:27:29 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation

-Processor-
Name : M II 2.5x Core/Bus Clock
Family, model, stepping : 6, 2, 4 (VIA Cyrix III (M2 core))
Vendor : CyrixInstead
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 0kb
Frequency : 250.07MHz
BogoMIPS : 500.13
Byte Order : Little Endian
-Features-
FDIV Bug : no
HLT Bug : no
F00F Bug : no
Coma Bug : no
Has FPU : yes
-Cache-
Cache information not available
-Capabilities-
fpu : Floating Point Unit
de : Debug Extensions - I/O breakpoints
tsc : Time Stamp Counter and RDTSC instruction
msr : Model Specific Registers
cx8 : CMPXCHG8 instruction
pge : Page Global Enable
cmov : Conditional Move instruction
mmx : MMX technology
cyrix_arr : Cyrix ARRs (= MTRRs)

Name : M II 2.5x Core/Bus Clock
Family, model, stepping : 6, 2, 4 (VIA Cyrix III (M2 core))
Vendor : CyrixInstead
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 0kb
Frequency : 250.07MHz
BogoMIPS : 500.13
Byte Order : Little Endian
-Features-
FDIV Bug : no
HLT Bug : no
F00F Bug : no
Coma Bug : no
Has FPU : yes
-Cache-
Cache information not available
-Capabilities-
fpu : Floating Point Unit
de : Debug Extensions - I/O breakpoints
tsc : Time Stamp Counter and RDTSC instruction
msr : Model Specific Registers
cx8 : CMPXCHG8 instruction
pge : Page Global Enable
cmov : Conditional Move instruction
mmx : MMX technology
cyrix_arr : Cyrix ARRs (= MTRRs)

gjuhasz · #56 Post by **gjuhasz** » Thu 09 Sep 2010, 09:26

James C wrote:Wary 070 (2.6.27.47) live, working but a bit slow.

James C,

If you run a live CD in such a low-resource environment, it will be very slow because the sfs file is loaded in the RAM.

To see the real power of Wary at your machine, do a frugal install. Then reboot again to fine tune the filesystem. After that, it will run much faster.

BarryK · #57 Post by **BarryK** » Thu 09 Sep 2010, 12:15

peebee reported that an Agere HDA analog modem worked in Wary 0.6 but not in 0.7. I posted a PET to try and fix it, but that did not do it. See previous page in this thread.

You still need that PET, but rerwin has been communicating with peebee and has figured out what is wrong. Thanks for getting that sorted out rerwin!

In addition to the PET I posted, you will need this extra PET that rerwin has provided:

JonT · #58 Post by **JonT** » Thu 09 Sep 2010, 13:43

BarryK asked for feedback on video quality and I wanted to contribute. I also wanted to learn about a problem I mentioned previously on this thread; the "intel" driver often gives a black screen upon starting or restarting X on my Dell Inspiron 1100/Intel 845GL graphics chipset. The visible screen can often be recovered by multiple applications of ctrl-alt-backspace + "xwin" + wait a few seconds, until letters appear on-screen.

I compared all the current wary 0.7's, except the 26.6.30.5UPDATED one, and Puppy 4.3.1, at 1024x768x24 using frugal installs by copying the files to folders. No save files were used. As washed-out colors had been mentioned in http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=00888, I viewed scenes from a DVD. I also downloaded http://digitaldog.net/files/Printer_Test_file.jpg.zip (appropriate web site, I thought) and viewed the jpeg. I did multiple X restarts each wary/driver combo for problem testing.

The "intel" and "i810" drivers are the choices for my chipset. For Puppy 4.3.1, i810OLD_drv.so was renamed i180_drv.so in /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers. 4.3.1 would not work with the intel driver at all.

Realizing that others may be more discerning, I saw no difference among all version using "i810" on DVD playback. Neither hue nor saturation is adjustable.

I saw no differences among the Wary's on DVD playback using "intel". Hue was not adjustable but saturation was, making "intel" the preferred driver for this application.

I saw no differences on viewing the jpeg under any combination of OS and driver.

All behaved the same with regard to the X restart problem. The i810 driver always worked. The intel driver (Wary's only) often, not always, caused black screens on (re)starting X. Xvesa worked well; vesa never worked.

I was glad to see that I could customize the touchpad parameters with synclient or flsynclient in the Wary's or in xorg.conf in Puppy 4.3.1.

Apparently, few have the Intel 845 chipset and my results likely are not relevant to other Intel chipsets. I'm thinking it is easier to wait for this computer to wear out than understand the reasons for the X problems.

BarryK · #59 Post by **BarryK** » Thu 09 Sep 2010, 22:55

tronkel wrote:Just been playing with Vala/Glade in Wary 5 with the 2.6.30 kernel.

Seems to be working well as far as I can tell from a test build.

Since Vala compiling as well as the Valaide IDE seem to be broken in Lucid 5.1.1 at the moment, a temporary work-around is to use Wary 5 to do the compiling for 5.1.1. The Vala executables work OK in 5.1.1.

Note that the next Wary (080) will have upgraded Vala, version 0.9.8, as well as libgee 0.5.2. Hopefully your apps will still compile!

Billtoo · #60 Post by **Billtoo** » Fri 10 Sep 2010, 00:40

I did a frugal install of wary 070 with the 2.6.34.1 kernel on my
emachines d620 laptop.
Computer
Processor AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 2650e
Memory 1813MB (90MB used)
Operating System Puppy Linux 0.07
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Thu 09 Sep 2010 08:03:39 PM EDT
Display
Resolution 1280x800 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Unknown
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
Input Devices
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
Logitech USB Optical Mouse
Power Button
Lid Switch
Sleep Button
Power Button
Video Bus
PC Speaker
Crystal Eye webcam
Printers (CUPS)
CUPS-PDF Default
SCSI Disks
ATA ST9160310AS
Optiarc DVD RW AD-7590S
SONY DVD RW DRU-820A
Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 2.6.34.1 (i686)
Compiled #1 SMP Fri Jul 16 19:16:08 GMT-8 2010
C Library GNU C Library version 2.10.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler Unknown
Distribution Puppy Linux 0.07
Current Session
Computer Name puppypc
User Name root (root)
Home Directory /root
Desktop Environment Unknown (Window Manager: JWM)
VGA compatible controller ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
Ethernet controller Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller
Network controller Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g

I've been testing it for a short time but my d620 seems to like this
kernel.

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