Lucid Puppy 5.1- A Full-Featured Compact Distro

[Iguleder]

My brand new Eee 1001px, 508 works great, for the first time in my whole life I did what someone recommended, Xorg-High worked great. Snappy stuff.

There's only two annoying things:
- Quickpet doesn't fit in the 10' screen, the sda1 icon overlaps it.
- Pwireless 0.8.4 ... c'mon guys. You said it's supposed to be friendly. This old thing hardly connects to anything and it's not user friendly at all. And the connections it creates do not persist.

[edoc]

- Pwireless 0.8.4 ... c'mon guys. You said it's supposed to be friendly. This old thing hardly connects to anything and it's not user friendly at all. And the connections it creates do not persist.

I thought that pwireless development had been shelved, haven't seen it in a while.

What's wrong with Dougal's or Barry's wireless apps?

[pemasu]

Frugal install with usb stick. I had to download iso three times before MD5 sum was correct. Storm in Finland maybe affected.

I like the visual outcome. Icons are good looking. Wallpaper selection is fine, Icewm themes selection is best I have seen.

I used xorg.conf route to get my finnish keyboard work. After that some struggle with Flsynclient because it loses the changes I had made.

No problem with screen or intel graphics driver. Modeset worked as it should.

When the final is out, I could try to patch the kernel because acpi.ec does not support my hardware. I cant switch my ati driver off (causes over 10 W of unnecessary power consumption) and battery status and suspend does not work. Problem is that with KMS I have no idea of needed graphic options in menuconfig. My previous kernel compiling ended to black screen in X. Console state was ok.

It has been quite a struggle with X options. I like the possibility to use xorg.conf if automatic selection does not work and get finnish keyboard working.

The outcome of Lupu looks mature, good and really promising.

My thanks to developers and redundant input of X behaviour.

[WhoDo]

Using IceWM which is very smart...

Not sure if this is expected or unexpected behaviour but Geany when run gets displayed in both workspaces.......

Yep. Expected behaviour. In the file /usr/share/icewm/winoptions change the following line:

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geany.allWorkspaces: 1

to

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geany.allWorkspaces: 0

Hope that helps.

[tasmod]

Come on l0wt3ch change that avatar.

No subliminal messages, no vietnam horror images

[BarryK]

Barry your line numbers got transposed 1267 and 1276 (I'm not sure which one you mean). Here is a screenshot of the info after inserting the code after 1267 though. I am not sure where it is doing the install to but it completely uses all my storage area in my frugal install. I have to delete this save file and try again.

No, I didn't transpose 67 with 76, I meant those line numbers exactly as posted. I intended for you to insert those lines after line 1276, just after the 'mount' operation, so you could use rox-filer to check that it has actually worked.

But anyway, you are getting error messages from a mount operation prior to that.

Um, I am assuming that you have the same 'puppyinstaller' script as in my latest Woof. I thought that Luci was synced to the last Woof that I uploaded, but perhaps they are using a different script?

Here are my lines 1267 to 1276:

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   Xdialog --wmclass "gtkdialog2" --title "Puppy Universal Installer" --no-buttons --infobox "Please wait, copying Puppy files to $DESTPART..." 0 0 120000 &
   XPID=$!
   sleep 1
   #loop-device mount ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}-xxx.sfs in DESTPART, copy contents of ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}-xxx.sfs to DESTPART...
   SFSPATTERN="^${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}-${NEWVER}.*\\.sfs" #v3.01
   xSFSNAME="`ls -1 $SRCPATH/ | grep "$SFSPATTERN" | head -n 1`" #v3.01
   #losetup-FULL /dev/loop2 $SRCPATH/${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}-$NEWVER.sfs
   losetup-FULL /dev/loop2 $SRCPATH/$xSFSNAME #v3.01
   mkdir $DESTMNTPT/srcmntpt
   mount -r -t squashfs /dev/loop2 $DESTMNTPT/srcmntpt

Searching back from line 1267, there is a 'mount' operation at line 1056:

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   mount -t $DESTFS /dev/$DESTPART /mnt/$DESTPART

...well, try this in a terminal:

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# mount -t ext4 /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda3

[01micko]

Using IceWM which is very smart...

Not sure if this is expected or unexpected behaviour but Geany when run gets displayed in both workspaces.......

Yep. Expected behaviour. In the file /usr/share/icewm/winoptions change the following line:

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geany.allWorkspaces: 1

to

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geany.allWorkspaces: 0

Hope that helps.

Should we have that as default behaviour?

(and Rob I agree....
l0wt3ch
this is not a political or anything else forum .. if you feel the need to express this post in "off topic" area, thank you)

Cheers

[BarryK]

Barry your line numbers got transposed 1267 and 1276 (I'm not sure which one you mean). Here is a screenshot of the info after inserting the code after 1267 though. I am not sure where it is doing the install to but it completely uses all my storage area in my frugal install. I have to delete this save file and try again.

No, I didn't transpose 67 with 76, I meant those line numbers exactly as posted. I intended for you to insert those lines after line 1276, just after the 'mount' operation, so you could use rox-filer to check that it has actually worked.

But anyway, you are getting error messages from a mount operation prior to that.

Um, I am assuming that you have the same 'puppyinstaller' script as in my latest Woof. I thought that Luci was synced to the last Woof that I uploaded, but perhaps they are using a different script?

Here are my lines 1267 to 1276:

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   Xdialog --wmclass "gtkdialog2" --title "Puppy Universal Installer" --no-buttons --infobox "Please wait, copying Puppy files to $DESTPART..." 0 0 120000 &
   XPID=$!
   sleep 1
   #loop-device mount ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}-xxx.sfs in DESTPART, copy contents of ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}-xxx.sfs to DESTPART...
   SFSPATTERN="^${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}-${NEWVER}.*\\.sfs" #v3.01
   xSFSNAME="`ls -1 $SRCPATH/ | grep "$SFSPATTERN" | head -n 1`" #v3.01
   #losetup-FULL /dev/loop2 $SRCPATH/${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}-$NEWVER.sfs
   losetup-FULL /dev/loop2 $SRCPATH/$xSFSNAME #v3.01
   mkdir $DESTMNTPT/srcmntpt
   mount -r -t squashfs /dev/loop2 $DESTMNTPT/srcmntpt

Searching back from line 1267, there is a 'mount' operation at line 1056:

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   mount -t $DESTFS /dev/$DESTPART /mnt/$DESTPART

...well, try this in a terminal:

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# mount -t ext4 /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda3

[BarryK]

sinc,
Also note, the image that you posted advised to run 'dmesg' in a terminal to see if any extra error message got logged.

The problem seems to be that the ext4 partition is unable to mount for some reason.

[BarryK]

Barry your line numbers got transposed 1267 and 1276 (I'm not sure which one you mean). Here is a screenshot of the info after inserting the code after 1267 though. I am not sure where it is doing the install to but it completely uses all my storage area in my frugal install. I have to delete this save file and try again.

Ah yes, looking at your post again, that confirms it. The line in the script that is supposed to mount /dev/sda3 on /mnt/sda3 is failing, so the files are getting installed to /mnt/sda3 which is still in your save file, filling it up.

So, you need to track down why the ext4 partition can't be mounted. Start by executing the mount operation I already posted.

[WhoDo]

Using IceWM which is very smart...

Not sure if this is expected or unexpected behaviour but Geany when run gets displayed in both workspaces.......

Yep. Expected behaviour. In the file /usr/share/icewm/winoptions change the following line:

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geany.allWorkspaces: 1

to

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geany.allWorkspaces: 0

Hope that helps.

Should we have that as default behaviour?

Your call.

What it does is to ensure that if the user scrolls the mouse in the wrong place accidentally(or maybe deliberately for power users) they won't lose their Geany program window - remember scrolling also changes workspaces (and rolls up windows) depending on where the cursor is when the scroll action is initiated.

Maybe it would be a good thing to make sure they know they have switched workspaces; I don't know. Open for comments from users either way. Would new users even be using Geany? Probably not, but you never know.

There is also an argument that we should only have 1 workspace by default for Windows refugees, but I think that one holds much less water. Linux isn't Windows and refugees need to adapt to that, a little at a time of course.

HTH

[Stripe]

Hi all

No matter what I do (alsa sound wizard, alsa mixer) 508 still recognises my nvidia graphics card as the default sound card, changed it with the alsa sound wizard, it is ok for that session but reverts to the nvidia as default after reboot. have tried all available nvidia drivers that will work with my card but no difference,
Any help would be greatly welcome.

Cheers
Stripe

[BarryK]

puppyinstaller is not identifying my partition fs correctly.

i ran the installer again and got the same message as i posted above.

Hmmm, I wonder. There are various ways that the scripts in Puppy detect the filesystem of a partition. Try all of these in a terminal:

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# guess_fstype /dev/sda3
# probepart
# disktype /dev/sda3

Do any of those misreport the f.s.?

But, if the f.s. was misreported, then it would have shown up in one of the dialog boxes when you ran the Puppy Installer. Is that possible and you didn't notice it?

[scsijon]

report from me on 508
- Video problems are still the same as 507, with the exceptions of doing a ctrl-alt-backspace now brings me to a white screen, a C-A-Del does nothing from here where as in 507 it at least shutdown/rebooted

- quickpet still giving timeout via enet and satellite, ok via ppm though..

- noticed a screen width problem, that may be of interest. Easily visable on the bottom bar, with a crt monitor there is no background pixel to the right of the M of am/pm, I changed it over to a lcd screen from another box I was repairing and the pixels are there. It looks like something in 508 has reduced the column-pixelcount by one as it's ok with 506.

However i'm sticking with 506 for now, although I do like the new drive icons, now if they could just "glow" green when a drive is mounted and a red light flashes on them when data is transfering, they would be perfect.

regards
scsijon

[01micko]

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# guess_fstype /dev/sda3 
ext4
# probepart 
/dev/sda1|ext3|20482812
/dev/sda2|ext3|20482874
/dev/sda3|ext4|20482874
/dev/sda4|none|2
/dev/sda5|ext3|51199092
/dev/sda6|ext3|71681966
/dev/sda7|ext3|63488816
/dev/sda8|ext3|64757952
/dev/sdb|none|0
/dev/sdc|none|0
/dev/sr0|iso9660|265492
# disktype /dev/sda3

--- /dev/sda3
Block device, size 9.767 GiB (10487232000 bytes)
Ext3 file system
  UUID 37478B33-8CFB-4A80-86B7-BAABD9506362 (DCE, v4)
  Last mounted at "/mnt/sda3"
  Volume size 9.767 GiB (10487230464 bytes, 2560359 blocks of 4 KiB)

# 

looks like disktype is misreporting...

....and cfdisk

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 cfdisk (util-linux 2.13-pre7)

                              Disk Drive: /dev/sda
                       Size: 160041885696 bytes, 160.0 GB
             Heads: 255   Sectors per Track: 63   Cylinders: 19457

    Name        Flags      Part Type  FS Type          [Label]        Size (MB)
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    sda1                    Primary   Linux ext3       [OLPCRoot]      10487.24 
    sda2                    Primary   Linux ext3                       10487.24
    sda3                    Primary   Linux ext3                       10487.24
    sda5                    Logical   Linux ext3                       26213.97
    sda6                    Logical   Linux ext3                       36701.20
    sda7                    Logical   Linux ext3                       32506.31
    sda8                    Logical   Linux ext3                       33156.11





     [Bootable]  [ Delete ]  [  Help  ]  [Maximize]  [ Print  ]
     [  Quit  ]  [  Type  ]  [ Units  ]  [ Write  ]

                 Toggle bootable flag of the current partition

my sda3 is my Mandriva partition on this box.

HTH

Cheers

EDIT

I just dropped in the disktype exec from spup 040.. which incidentally was in /usr/sbin... in lupu it's in /usr/bin ( seems like an ubuntoo bug .. either that or legacy) and I got the correct report..

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# disktype /dev/sda3

--- /dev/sda3
Block device, size 9.767 GiB (10487232000 bytes)
Ext4 file system
  UUID 37478B33-8CFB-4A80-86B7-BAABD9506362 (DCE, v4)
  Last mounted at "/mnt/sda3"
  Volume size 9.767 GiB (10487230464 bytes, 2560359 blocks of 4 KiB)

If anyone wants to test I'll attach the executable.. untar it and plonk in /usr/bin

Cheers

EDIT 2

erm.. our disktype executable was from the stone age.. 2006 ... ah well ..that's why we have testing and can offer a good OS when we release! Thanks folks for the heads up, playdayz, myself and all the other contributors didn't catch everything.. and thanks BarryK for taking time out of your family time to give us a hand.

I just performed a full install to an ext4 partition, grub included and it went flawlessly with the executable attached.

Note: different machine used from original report

EDIT 3... weird .. if you see screeny disktype still repors ext3, but it's definitely ext4, made in gparted, only last weekend. Report was correct on my other machine, similar age machine.

[Stripe]

Hi all

update on sound
Now trying to install nvidia's own driver 256.44 but it cannot find the kernel source when trying to install. (devx.508.sfs is loaded at boot up)
After spending 4 days solid on trying to get the sound working consistantly I give up

Stripe

[wayne128]

i just tried out Lupu508beta and has two issues:

1. java plugins from the .pet, although installation is complete, but it does not appear in firefox's Addons and thus java does not run on websites that required it.
this was tested for two old laptops, both have same issue

2. on desktop with broadcom gigabit NIC, although the ethernet can pick up tg3 driver but it cannot load the driver. a few tries ended up the same problem, so on this desktop i could not get internet access.

hope someone can help point to me how to get java and tg3 driver issue resolved.

thanks a lot

[01micko]

Stripe

To install nVidia driver from nVidias site you need the kernel source sfs loaded. Let me know if this helps. (ignore the errors and keep going during the installer)

wayne128

try this jre pet. Be aware that this one uses over 100MB of your pupsave once installed.

As for broadcom.. they are very linux unfriendly, though the next kernel may well fix your issue. Sorry but that's the best I can come up with for now. Perhaps, if there is source for the module you need, a kernel module could be compiled and made available. I'll look into the issue, an ID number of your hardware can be obtained by running "lspci".

(usual usr.. password.. p*pp* --- l*n*x )

[peebee]

Yep. Expected behaviour.
Hope that helps.

Should we have that as default behaviour?

Your call.

What it does is to ensure that if the user scrolls the mouse in the wrong place accidentally(or maybe deliberately for power users) they won't lose their Geany program window - remember scrolling also changes workspaces (and rolls up windows) depending on where the cursor is when the scroll action is initiated.

Maybe it would be a good thing to make sure they know they have switched workspaces; I don't know. Open for comments from users either way. Would new users even be using Geany? Probably not, but you never know.

There is also an argument that we should only have 1 workspace by default for Windows refugees, but I think that one holds much less water. Linux isn't Windows and refugees need to adapt to that, a little at a time of course.

HTH

Geany is on the desktop and is the default editor for all .txt files so it gets used a lot I would suggest.

Don't know if I fit into the typical target audience for Puppy but default behaviour that is the same as all other programs gets my vote rather than different behaviour - I guess that why I posted the query....

Cheers
Peter

[edoc]

What it does is to ensure that if the user scrolls the mouse in the wrong place accidentally(or maybe deliberately for power users) they won't lose their Geany program window - remember scrolling also changes workspaces (and rolls up windows) depending on where the cursor is when the scroll action is initiated.

Maybe it would be a good thing to make sure they know they have switched workspaces; I don't know. Open for comments from users either way. Would new users even be using Geany? Probably not, but you never know.

There is also an argument that we should only have 1 workspace by default for Windows refugees, but I think that one holds much less water. Linux isn't Windows and refugees need to adapt to that, a little at a time of course.

HTH

Geany is on the desktop and is the default editor for all .txt files so it gets used a lot I would suggest.

Don't know if I fit into the typical target audience for Puppy but default behaviour that is the same as all other programs gets my vote rather than different behaviour - I guess that why I posted the query....

Cheers
Peter

I use Geany a lot for quick HTML edits and simple text files, e.g. a to-do list or some text cut out of another document that I want to save quickly.

It would be helpful to have a flag pop-up which signals a change of workspaces.

NicoEdit is real handy for stripping-out weird codes, esp. from Web sources; Geany often does not strip them - it needs a "Default Formatting" option like OpenOffice Writer.

IMHO, YMMV ...