Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[shinobar]

Playdayz, and to all,

We are delighted when you bring up the direct desktop on Lupu.
So delighted... because the console dialog at the initial boot up of puppy was a big problem for a long time, especially for Japanese users.
Imagine if your PC speeks unfamiliar language. It must be hard, but you can manage it with the help of icons if it goes directly to the desktop.

The 'Complete Configuration Experience' is the way of classic puppy. I dare call it a 'dawn' after i saw the next generation puppy.
With the direct desktop of lupu-506, a half of users must be happy. But another half must get back to the dawn.

More light please!

[ICPUG]

Thank you shinobar for your insight.

While supporting the effort to getting it working, I have never seen the need for direct booting to desktop - as I believed the first thing most people will do is change the defaults of keyboard and time zone and possibly screen resolution.

Of course, I am English so I could read the screen options during boot up of classic Puppy.

With your comment, I now see the need. Thank you for the lesson.

[tasmod]

After 505 proving a disaster on my laptop with Radeon video, 506 triumphed and installed and ran flawlessly.

[shinobar]

Thanks ICPUG for understanding. Now i can imagine a bit how do native English speakers think.

Iguleder pointed out that /usr/share/locale occupies 12 MB.
Yes, some translations can be remved and go to additional packages.
As for Japanese translation for example, i think it is better to go to an additional package because the Lupu CD has not Japanese font.
What happens you can easily see if you change the locale to ja_JP and launch gnumeric.

The attached file shows what language the native Lupu can display or not.
You can easily see that the langages numbered 0-2 can be displayed on LUPU and not for 3-.
One exeption is Vietnamese which is numbered 3 but can be seen.
I am not sure Arabic and Hebrew can be seen or not on native Lupu.

[Lobster]

506 loaded straight to desktop on my asus eeepc
the icons were cramped.
This can be changed by going into 'file' (Rox)
and right clicking
and then options and display
Not sure which config file to change?
Losing some pixels on the lines between icons should solve things
or moving quickpet to the same line as connect
(though you might not want to)

The connection wizard for wifi on the Dell
was easy - now to try the eeepc . . .
and an older test pc

[playdayz]

This is an announcement I guess.

It seems like Lupu-506 has very many good things going for it. It is definitely the foundation of Lupu-5.10.

However the grub config problem has led 01micko to find problems with the installer, serious problems. 01micko believes those problems arose in the Woof update of July 20. I have written Barry about this but he has other responsibilities at the moment. I would rather that Barry had a chance to fix any problems rather than roll back tot he Woof of July 10--though if you remember 5.0 I froze everything several weeks before release and did not update to the later Woofs.

I am a bit down myself today and I do not like to make big decisions when I am sick so we are in a holding pattern. Please continue to use Lupu-506 and look for any evidence concerning the installer plus any other anomalies. Thanks.

[Stripe]

Hi Playdayz

I think you are right and a hold seems like the sensible thing to do, We all send our thoughts and best wishes to Barry and understand that he has more important things to deal with.

I am using 506 as my main system and it will give me more of an oppertunity to try everything and make sure it is sound

Regards
Stripe

[Jim1911]

Hi playdayz,

Sorry that you are a bit down today, hope you feel better soon.

Lupu-506 autoconfigured flawlessly and works great on my main system. The problem with xorgwizard being displayed properly at a prompt has been corrected.

I also tried it for the first time on an old Sony laptop, it autobooted fine but had the wrong video driver so desktop froze and it would not allow me to get to a prompt (even with Ctrl/Alt/Backspace) so I could not run xorgconfig and gave up on it. Consider, on initial bootup an option to autoboot or to run xorgwizard. The autoconfig is great for those whose hardware supports it, but a downer if it doesn't.

Only problem noted so far is that hplip-3.9.12-scan fails to download using ppm, I had the same problem with 504 & 505. It's needed for HP scanners and the copy I already have works great on 506.

Consider updating for Lucid, tazoc's update to Bibletime-2.7.2a.sfs which runs great, including menus, on 506. See attached desktop. All that's needed to make it work are the attached libs.

Lupu-5.10 with it's autoconfiguration, the large selection of software and other goodies in ppm and quickpet, is going to be the best ever woof built update to puppy. Kudos to the team.

Jim

[JonT]

First, thanks to BarryK, developers, testers and posters past and present. I would have been lost(er) without forums.Sorry this post is long.

FWIW: some Luci/Lupu video experiences. Installs are "cheat" frugals. Computer: Dell Inspiron 1100, 2 GHz Celeron, 640MB added RAM, and Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset. I am aware of the Intel graphics frustrations from posts here and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes.

I have not noticed mention of the inconsistent boot behavior that I have experienced with the newfangled kernels and xorgs, just that booting works or doesn't.

Lupu/Luci (504 my latest) boots and works fine on my "cold" computer, though prone to black screens, sometimes fatal, when fiddling with video.

When "hot", rebooting Lupu (no save file) often ends in a black screen. Another odd behavior: sometimes two or three "xwin"'s will get X going, after running xorgwizard only once.

Running xorgwizard, selecting "intel" driver (i810 won't work), and setting resolution to 1024x768x24 manually gets flsynclient working (I haven't mastered udev stuff yet). Xorg-High works well; glxgears gives me about 1150 frames/5 sec.

The good news: Rebooting seems reliable after the "intel" driver is selected and a save file is made.

In case you suspect that my computer (or me) has a loose wire or flaky RAM, Puppy 214XRC5, recently downloaded (Thanks ttuuxxx), boots *every* time.

Such working/not working is hard to sort out. I'm not asking anyone (except kernel and xorg folks) to fix it, just hoping to minimize someone's frustration getting a good install. I am impressed with the efforts this team is making to provide a "works out of the box" system.

[tronkel]

Just been trying out 506 Beta. Great job.

This must really have been hard going for Playdayz recently. Maybe time for a break now, since it's very nearly there. Good idea to recharge the batteries for the final home run. Don't want to get burn-out symptoms.

It must be very nearly there now. It boots straight through to the desktop. After installing the XORG-High driver for the ATI Radeon 3450 video card via Quickpet it then displayed the best graphics yet of any Puppy to date on my hardware - excellent.

I also installed WhoDo's add-ons along with Icewm. Minor teething troubles here. Taskbar will not auto-hide. Is there any way to get the taskbar to appear on the left-hand side of the screen as is possible with XFCE in QuirkyNOP?

I once built a configuration utility for Icewm ages ago called "Icewinconfig". That was back in the days of 2-series Puppy. It should still work in this version though. If you want it, I'll see if I can dig it out. It was programmed in FLTK and the executable is quite small.

Or might an XFCE desktop add-on be an idea for Lupu as well?

In the interests of trimming the ISO size, how about getting rid of both Abiword and Gnumeric? I've just tried Jemimah's Openoffice sfs which also works great in Lupu 506.

[zigbert]

Pprocess in lupu506 is outdated. The latest is found via my signature.


Sigmund

[bit]

Sorry for bad English.
information in the /root/.packages/builtin_files not correct
For example: in file /root/.packages/builtin_files/psip not specified files:
/usr/local/psip/pjsua.cfg.default
/usr/local/psip/pjsua_custom_03-0.9.0
/usr/local/psip/pjsua-output-reader
/usr/local/psip/psip
/usr/local/psip/psip2
/usr/local/psip/psip-gui
in the file /root/.packages/builtin_files/pfind not specified files:
/usr/local/pfind/pfind
/usr/local/pfind/pfindhlp
/usr/local/pfind/pfindMIMErc
/usr/local/pfind/pfindrc
All the above mentioned files are in lupu 506.

[shinobar]

[James C]

While we're on a short break, I've been experimenting............

[scsijon]

-still no access to 1024x786 @85hz via the resolution changer, just a dead screen now, monitor now says "no video input" even though 1280x1024 works ok.

-xorgwizard now needs a little bit of fooling around to do things
ie one time through the cycle to change the frequency, then another to change the resolution, if you do it the other way around it 'forgets' the resolution you have picked and puts you back at the maximum for your video card. And using the 'pick' method is giving problems with the intel driver even when it's still picked when using 'probe'.

- am noticing I have had to rerun through xorgwizard if closing and "rebooting", but not if I "shutdown" power off and start again.

-glxgears reports "Xlib: extension GLX missing on display ":0:0"
could not get an RGB Double buffered visual.
Do we have a lib missing here?

- still no working quickpets, but an extra error showing at the start, "error: can't download, please connect to the internet". then the usual two screens ending with "Timeout, please try again later"
BUT, I was connected at the time as I had already downloaded via ppm.

-ppm, "more info" now tries to take you to wikipedia, which fails as the pages arn't there, plus the ability to save the package rather than just install, which was available at this stage has gone/lost. NOT people with limited bandwidth friendly.

more later

sorry, an improvement over pre505 versions but still a long way to go....

scsijon