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Iguleder


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jul 2010, 05:25    Post_subject:  

Dang!

I guess we'll need ttuuxxx's modified CUPS wizard.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jul 2010, 05:37    Post_subject:  

I will try to figure out how it is done in Quirky and Luci. they dont seem to need to compose the drivers.
Everything else is working great. The touchpad configure program (flsynclient) is fine and gives sensible defaults, no sign of the dreaded 'clickfinger' parameter found in Quirky and Luci Smile
Maybe we should experiment with updating CUPS..........

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jul 2010, 06:17    Post_subject:  

I made some experimental replacement for cups_shell. Try this and tell me what you think. If it doesn't work I'll try to upgrade CUPS.

It doesn't delete the drivers no matter what: you must click the deletion button for that.

The wizard is a modified version of ttuxxx's 2.14x CUPS wizard. Just extract this to /.

EDIT: a new one, much better.

EDIT 2: OMG, I just found out that my Opera launcher was not included in 005. That's weird.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jul 2010, 07:58    Post_subject:  

Iguleder wrote:
I made some experimental replacement for cups_shell. Try this and tell me what you think.


Perfect Smile Simplifies the process so much.............

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jul 2010, 09:55    Post_subject:  

I guess it won't work but here's a 16x16 of the puppylogo from barry's website.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy//viewtopic.php?t=28916&sid=d209864bcf3fb63e4662032385494842

well heres a thread about changing the clock format in puppy 4 but for some reason I can't seem to make it work. maybe someone else can see whats necessary to make these scripts work.

Thank you for addressing the items I bought up, they really seem silly, they are such small things. Two other things if I may, a small default powerpoint reader would be great. many emails come in ppt format and I can't open them without open office. I don't feel editing is important, for that I could just use open office and be happy but just the default ability to read a ppt file would be nice. And secondly (this is probably not the thread for this b/c its the case in all the new puppies but) the master volume control does not control the volume if a headset is plugged in. I use my stereo through my computer and being able to change the volume is really a pain since I have to go into the menu and open zmixer to adjust the volume.
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jul 2010, 15:05    Post_subject:  

Good news, I'm working on some experimental Ubuntu-built KLP. Identical to KLP in everything except:
- Everything is newer
- Ayttm replaces Pidgin
- The menus are split like Lupu's.

It is built from Woof (and not from Moo and Lupu), so I have total control, I know what goes in and what stays out.

Other goodies:
- The printer manager
- The Pmusic tray icon I wrote
- Moo
- Netsurf as a CUPS/help page viewer and Opera plus my opera launcher and fixes
- LXRandR
- No annoying (and useless) first-boot wizard
- A font appearance wizard I wrote for font antialiasing
- Some Lupu stuff replace the KLP stuff ... like GNOME-Mplayer instead of gxine/xine-lib ... but the multimedia support is the same.
- Many Lupu bugs fixed
- KLP's tray icons and atwork
- Snappy!

The name is "Murky Puppy" ... mabye KLP can be a retro branch of Murky Smile

Currently, there are some severe bugs:
- No MIME-type handling, clicking on some files won't run the appropriate application
- Some Lupu/Woof quirks

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jul 2010, 15:51    Post_subject: Iguleder This sounds great!  

I'll be the first to test it...
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jul 2010, 16:24    Post_subject: cool  

Looking foward to it!

The font appearance wizard is a great idea too. I've been playing around with it today on spup40. I only have an old 14" crt though at the moment. I think on crt, antialias should always be selected, If everything is unselected, the fonts then look decayed. Apparently the fontconfig default is somehow different than:

Code:
<match target="font"><edit name="antialias" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
   <edit name="hinting" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
   <edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
   <edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"><const>hintnone</const></edit>
 </match>

but I'm not absolutely sure, only that changeing antialias back to true results in normal good appearance on crt.

EDIT: with all 4 options enabled, on crt the fonts look splendid - for crt's, the ones to avoid are the 10-sub-pixel*.conf.

I also commented out the removal and symlink of /etc/fonts/local.conf and pasted in at top of .fonts.conf:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd">
<!-- ~/.fonts.conf file to configure system fonts locally -->
<fontconfig>

with </fontconfig> at bottom.

That way it's more accommodating to manually adding other config snippets.

I inserted the code from 70-no-bitmaps.conf to test. Then ran fc-cache -f with no errors.

Thanks again for your work!

PS: Pretty sure ~/.fonts.conf will take precedence over /etc/fonts/local.conf anyway.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jul 2010, 17:01    Post_subject: Kinda Lucid Puppy 005
Sub_title: streaming TV media player
 

Hi Iguleder,
- Liked the writeup on KLP005 as media player, for I'm looking at streaming TV as only purpose PC. - Couldn't find the KLP005 iso and read the forum pages.
- Are you dropping 431 based KLP005 and moving to a later kernel and package with 006?

- I would still like to try a debugged 431 base if it is available, I hope haven't overlooked link - Duh on my part

- Othewise will wait for the 006 murky ..... [quote] some experimental Ubuntu-built KLP. Identical to KLP -- Woof (and not from Moo and Lupu) name is "Murky Puppy" ... mabye KLP can be a retro branch of Murky
[/quote]

- If you might, please post a kernel # when you make the Murky announcement.

Thanks,
Jay
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--EDIT -- Got them!! - editing with TV scan converter / klp005 on Dell GS4D10B Optiplex GX110 --- 640x480 to NTSC

Again Thanks

Puppy People are so far ahead of any other distros There really is NO comparison.

jay

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Jul 2010, 04:41    Post_subject:  

I think I'll just make two of them ... sounds fun Smile

I mean, I won't make them identical, but all the stuff that are not version-specific will be in both, like the font appearance thing. I'll keep all the goodies I put in KLP, the multimedia experience should be identical in both.

btw, 005 is here.

The Murky Puppy thing uses the latest Lupu kernel to keep it compatible with all 3rd-party drivers people compile, but it comes without certain things, such as Quickpet ... just because I like the 4.x spirit, as you guys know.

I think this is the way to go ... one big guy for more modern PCs and another one for those who like something more retro - same userland, same functionality, just some different under the hood.

EDIT: maybe I'll upload some development build of Murky Puppy today. It looks good already ... just need to polish some rough edges.

EDIT 2: uploading 001 ... I think it's 25% beta quality ... but who cares, we're adventurous, aren't we? Wink

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Jul 2010, 09:22    Post_subject: Cups wizard  

Tried the new cups wizard....click on add printer....nothing happens. Click on manage printers and add a printer....while I can select my LaserJet 1012 on USB 1 .... I get an internal server error.

Hope there is a fix

I am running on bootable USB

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Jul 2010, 21:47    Post_subject: Re: Cups wizard  

tlchost wrote:

Hope there is a fix


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Jul 2010, 10:13    Post_subject:  

I've just tried KLP005 and it looks good. One question: why are Opera program files in /root/.local ? What is the upgrade method for Opera? I have been removing the old Opera version using PPM and then using the Opera deb file to install the newer version.
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Jul 2010, 10:19    Post_subject:  

Just delete that directory, then download the latest Opera from the official site and run the installer, choose to install locally (to /root/.local). I made my Opera from such installation to make upgrades easier.

I could make a pet that goes to /usr, but in order to upgrade, you'd have to hunt down all Opera's files one by one.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Jul 2010, 10:43    Post_subject:  

Thanks, Iguleder. That is simple enough. Smile
Now off to try Murky. You are doing some great work!
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