Lighthouse Pup 5.00 G 185M

[8-bit]

I made a 512 meg personal spupsave file by using the prompts on my first install.
I added a few apps and 4 SFS files using Puppy Boot Manager.
Then Seamonkey updated to 2.06
The Personal Storage space tray applet showed 503 megs with 175 megs free.
So I used the option from the menu to increase personal storage space (spupsave).
I selected 512 megs as an increase and rebooted to LHP.
The tray applet still showed 503megs with 175 free.
I then did another size increase of 1024 megs and rebooted to LHP.
The Personal storage size and free space still did not change from the initial 503 megs with 175 megs free.
So is this a definite bug with the tray applet.
Edit:
Also, when I right click on the spupsave.2fs file, the size is shown as 2048 mbytes. Also, Pwidgets also shows it as a 504meg pupsave.

Also, running a filesystem check the unmounted pupsave from another version of Puppy showed block errors and other errors.
So isn't the Personal Storage space tray applet supposed to pick up the new pupsave size and display it properly?

[tazoc]

...So I used the option from the menu to increase personal storage space (spupsave).
I selected 512 megs as an increase and rebooted to LHP.
The tray applet still showed 503megs with 175 free.
I then did another size increase of 1024 megs and rebooted to LHP.
The Personal storage size and free space still did not change from the initial 503 megs with 175 megs free.
So is this a definite bug with the tray applet.

Also, running a filesystem check the unmounted pupsave from another version of Puppy showed block errors and other errors.
So isn't the Personal Storage space tray applet supposed to pick up the new pupsave size and display it properly?

The large discrepancy between the freespace indicator and the actual size of the pupsave can occur when the pupsave has file system errors. You were on the right track with the file system check from another Puppy.

Let's assume your pupsave is named spupsave.3fs and is located on /dev/sda2 at /mnt/home/lhp/spupsave.3fs. Repeat the pupsave repair with the pupsave and its host partition, both unmounted, by booting from the Lighthouse 5 LiveCD with puppy pfix=ram,fsck at the boot menu. unmount the host partition sda2 with Pmount and check its file system in a terminal: e2fsck -vy /dev/sda2 Repeat until it runs clean. (If the pupsave is on a FAT or NTFS part, run chkdisk and defrag in Windows and reboot LHP with pfix=ram)

Next mount the host part and cd /mnt/sda2/lhp to change to the directory of your pupsave, type e2fsck -vy spupsave.3fs and repeat until the check runs clean. Then type resize2fs -pf spupsave.3fs (I learned that trick by studying the commands issued by GParted when it executes a Repair on a Linux ext3 partition.) Finally click on the pupsave to mount in ROX, navigate up to the icon in /mnt of the mounted pupsave and right-click | properties to verify the size and freespace. Unmount the pupsave by clicking again on spupsave.3fs and reboot.

My current setup includes pfix=fsck on the kernel line in GRUB, which in Lighthouse should run a file system check and resize2fs -pf on both the host part and the pupsave prior to mounting each. My pupsave is spupsave.3fs, in ROX size is 384M, freespace indicator is total 372M, free 169M. The minor discrepancy is due to the overhead and journal of the ext3 file system.
-TazOC

[8-bit]

I have a 40 gig partition on sdb3 formatted to an ext2 file system.
All other versions of Puppy, frugal installs in subdirectories, work fine and report the correct pupsave file size as well as free space on them.
But even after booting from a live CD of Puppy 431 scsi and doing
e2fsck -vy /dev/sdb3 and also then mounting sdb3, navigating to the light house pup directory and doing e2fsck -vy spupsave-500.2fs, I still got the Puppy Personal space tray applet showing 504 megs with 175 megs free.
I uninstalled the googleearth pet as a test and the free space increased.
But I am still at a loss as to the discrepency.
If I select properties of my spupsave-500.2fs file, the file size is shown as 2048 megs.
Also, if I boot back and forth between Puppy versions to check the spupsave-500.2fs file with e2fsck, I get block error reports, and a bunch of other errors that it corrects.
I run e2fsck twice each time and the second time, it comes up clean.
At this point, I am ready to just ditch the pupsave file and start over fresh with a BIG pupsave file.
BTW, Light House Pup with the Mariner SFS loaded is the only Puppy on sdb3 that has given me this problem.
Puppy 500 always has the pupsave file check out clean when checked with another version of Puppy running.

[tazoc]

Sorry about the difficulties. Please carefully follow all of the steps in my last post, especially booting from the Lighthouse 5 LiveCD with puppy pfix=ram,fsck at the boot menu, e2fsck -vfy spupsave-500.2fs (try -vfy this time) then resize2fs -pf spupsave-500.2fs

I just resized my 384M spupsave.3fs up 128M with Resize Personal Storage file, rebooted and now freespace indicates 496M total, Freespace 298M. In ROX the pupsave is now 512M. I have 21 SFS files enabled in BootManager, including the Mariner SFS.
-TazOC

[8-bit]

I tried your suggestions as to recovering from the Personal Storage space tray applet displaying correctly and nothing changed until I did a resize from command line on my unmounted pupsave file.
I gave it a command to resize to the same size my pupsave file already was.
After that, and a reboot, the correct size was shown.
Thank you for the heads up though.

[efiguy]

Hi Tazoc,
- Have a mostly operating (cd boot+sda1) LHP-500c+Mariner. With so much "stuff" in Pprocess, how did you get it SO FAST!!!! -It is "Right There" at the end of a click!!!

-Plus really like the multiple Shell switching, but don't know enough yet to understand which might be better for building a TV viewing system - based on a 640x480 PC-video to NTSC Scan Converter. -Any Suggestions?

- About 9 or so months ago was experimenting with a Puppy (maybe LH-D) that would resize on the fly, which worked OK - except menus became so large at 640x480 that the position of a needed menu selection couldn't be reached as it was off screen. -I notice you have a neat global font size selection, is there any easy way of doing the format resize? It would be OK to stay in 640x480 mode if other programs and menus resized. With the current auto-start features - have not explored changing current screen size of 1024x768, more concerned now with TV streaming.

-By the way, how does one find addresses for the TV stream tuner?
-How can Gxine use the new encryption format that networks are moving towards?? (RTMP)

-Also, the future use would use a dedicated TV streaming machine (Dell Optiplex) with some limitations on clock and ram, is there a chance for paring packages to a minimum for lower ram quantity. Is that something like uninstalling menu items? -Can a newbie who does little inside Puppy accomplish that task?? -What kind of soft/hardware resources are required to remove packages?

-Appreciate your attention to detail, Website- [url]http://www.lhpup.org/download500.htm#SFS[/url] - do hope there might be some screen solutions, Appoligize for all the Questions,

Jay

Experimental PC
Have a frugal install of 490sfs (had to use the Mariner update to get a Gxine library to start the engine)
Gateway W340UA - with LHP 5.00c (co-existing with XP)
Nvidia GE Force 6100 Vesa Force Could use a driver- have 195, 173, and 96 on HD
WIFI RTL 8185 Driver (WIN) 5.1114.917.2009 not working, Not critical
ethernet Nvidia (WIN) 1.00.04.05027 Operating swell
Added Firefox -3.5.6.tar pet DEC 01-17-2009
(Did an about:config and toggled the 2 css "leaks" entrys to false - what were they thinking!?)

[tazoc]

Hi Tazoc,
- Have a mostly operating (cd boot+sda1) LHP-500c+Mariner. With so much "stuff" in Pprocess, how did you get it SO FAST!!!! -It is "Right There" at the end of a click!!!

Because it's based on Puppy/Quirky/Slackpup/Woof.

-Plus really like the multiple Shell switching, but don't know enough yet to understand which might be better for building a TV viewing system - based on a 640x480 PC-video to NTSC Scan Converter. -Any Suggestions?

That depends on your preference--try them and go with what works best for you.

I notice you have a neat global font size selection, is there any easy way of doing the format resize? It would be OK to stay in 640x480 mode if other programs and menus resized. With the current auto-start features - have not explored changing current screen size of 1024x768, more concerned now with TV streaming.

If you are asking for a resolution changer, see Menu | Settings | Wizards | Xorg Wizard | Resolution Changer, or just type xrandrshell in a terminal. Results may vary, and you may prefer to directly edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to specify a particular resolution. Unfortunately some apps are difficult to fit in 640x480, though 800x600 usually works. If an app's window is cut off, hold down the Alt key and drag the window as required. If the menus are cut off I would try JWM or another WM. KDE4's Alternative Plasma Netbook interface might work well on small resolutions, but still needs recent hardware.

-By the way, how does one find addresses for the TV stream tuner?

I'm not familiar with a TV stream tuner, can you be more specific?

-How can Gxine use the new encryption format that networks are moving towards?? (RTMP)

I have no idea about Gxine. I understand VLC has quite a few codecs and formats supported.

-Also, the future use would use a dedicated TV streaming machine (Dell Optiplex) with some limitations on clock and ram, is there a chance for paring packages to a minimum for lower ram quantity. Is that something like uninstalling menu items? -Can a newbie who does little inside Puppy accomplish that task?? -What kind of soft/hardware resources are required to remove packages?

I use Edit-SFS in the Utility menu to manually add/remove files from the main file. You might consider starting with the latest Slackpup as it is easier to build up a puplet than to slim-down an existing one.

Nvidia GE Force 6100 Vesa Force Could use a driver- have 195, 173, and 96 on HD

I would try the NVIDIA 195. If it doesn't work please type report-video at the command line before switching back to vesa or nv and attach /tmp/root/report-video-full.gz
Thanks,
TazOC

[efiguy]

Thank you Tazoc,

The resolution changer operated Perfectly, I'm sure that by using global font size that a menu compromise will be found, but thanks for the Tip for using the ALT key.
Also Thanks for the links and advice. - Probably use LH as is, works so well. -But someday need to learn how to do some of the "behind the scenes" work just to appreciate and understand Puppy construction even more.

Again thank You, a swell product
Jay

[8-bit]

I tried out the rc.shutdown replacement script you sent me.
Glory be. It works fine with my spupsave.2fs reporting clean when doing an e2fsck.

The file gets placed in /etc/rc.d directory and replaces the original one.
I am attaching it for others that may want to try it.

[tazoc]

@All,
I've built an SFS of OOOP - OxygenOffice Professional 3.2.1. It is very large at 425M and JRE (Java Runtime Environment) is not included. (I anticipate more frequent updates to JRE and JRE is already included in Mariner.) I haven't used the standard OpenOffice 3.2 enough to decide whether OxygenOfficePro is much better or just much bigger...

I'm disappointed that the online update feature responds with "Checking for an update failed" and the OOoWikipedia macro is broken (it was written for OOo 2.) I think the best part about OxygenOffice is the extra fonts, templates--and the LanguageTool extension I pre-installed so that you don't have to manually download and add with the extension manager. But I could probably do the same for LT with the standard OpenOffice SFS.

The OOOP site is http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop and a rather outdated home at http://www.oxygenofficepro.com

If there is any interest in OOOP I will upload this so you can try it. If not I will try adding LanguageTool and a few Lighthouse tweaks to a future OpenOffice release.
-TazOC

[Jim1911]

If there is any interest in OOOP I will upload this so you can try it. If not I will try adding LanguageTool and a few Lighthouse tweaks to a future OpenOffice release.
-TazOC

Definitely interested, but I don't know about it's advantages over OOO.

Thanks,
Jim

[Barburo]

Hi TazOC,
I just frugally installed Lucid Puppy 5.03 and I see a webcam app is included called LUVCview by Michel Xhaard. It's basic but it works for my set up.
Any chance you could take a look and see if it is compatible with LHP? So far I have not been able to make my webcam work in LHP with Mplayer, VLC or any of the other media programs.

I still have a weird problem with getting connected the way I like to connect to wifi. I have a connect script that, when run from a terminal, always connects me. However, when I add the same script to the end of /etc/rc.d/rc.local I find that it runs correctly maybe one in ten times (i.e. the sidebar shows me connected to wlan0 after the screen comes up after booting). If I look in /var/log/messages I see that the connection is established OK but it subsequently reports an error that "DHCP is already running" when it tries for a lease and then it disconnects. When it does work there's no such message.

You advised me earlier in this thread to add a line to my connect script that stops any dhcp process (which I did) but I have found that it doesn't solve my problem.

My reason for using a script is that I could not get the session to perpetuate using the wizard. I had to run the wizard each time I logged on so I set up the script. Running it after booting up is not difficult as the command is stored and an up arrow and enter runs the script each time but it's frustrating not being able to work out why it fails from rc.local.

I've tried tracing through where the init process could possibly be getting information about dhcp, I've followed rc.network (as far as I can make sense of it) but I cannot discover any process that does this. Could it be a timing issue? As I mentioned occasionally there will be no problem but I cannot see any difference when it does execute correctly.

The only other thing I can think of is that when I set up this version of LHP first, I used the network wizard that asks you if you want to keep these settings for the next logon. I had clicked "Yes" before and I assume that stores information somewhere (anyone know exactly what it does?) so that Puppy can attempt to wi-fi connect you next boot. Plus I've searched the forum and there's some references to folders and files (previous versions of puppy) that I don't see. Those that I have been able to find (in var/lib and etc) I have deleted but problem doesn't go away.

B.

[CLAM01]

Hi TazOC,
I'll try out OOOP if you provide an sfs. I do quite a bit of office application, using in a task instead of development environment.
I suspect that Oxy-Office is mostly a bulked up Open Office, with templates and clipart and such included, probably most grabbed from the ooo repositories .
The heart of all of what is now all OO (Open Office, Oracle Office, Oxygen Office) is Open Office. Oracle Office, the newest, is the new name for Sun's proprietary version that was Star Office. Releasing Star Office to open source was a smart move by Sun. The open source Open Office carries development ahead of Sun, for which the proprietary version that's part of Sun's applications suite, and that people pay for, is always behind the free ooo version, which it from time to time catches up with by incorporating the free developments.
My guess is that Oxygen is, and will be, doing the same thing, depending on the Open Office open development community for development and incorporating the developments.

[tazoc]

Hi TazOC,
I just frugally installed Lucid Puppy 5.03 and I see a webcam app is included called LUVCview by Michel Xhaard. It's basic but it works for my set up.
Any chance you could take a look and see if it is compatible with LHP? So far I have not been able to make my webcam work in LHP with Mplayer, VLC or any of the other media programs.

Hi Barburo,
I will have a look at LUVCview. I haven't been able to get my webcam to work in LHP.

I still have a weird problem with getting connected the way I like to connect to wifi. I have a connect script that, when run from a terminal, always connects me. However, when I add the same script to the end of /etc/rc.d/rc.local I find that it runs correctly maybe one in ten times (i.e. the sidebar shows me connected to wlan0 after the screen comes up after booting). If I look in /var/log/messages I see that the connection is established OK but it subsequently reports an error that "DHCP is already running" when it tries for a lease and then it disconnects. When it does work there's no such message.

I studied the network connection scripts and couldn't find the reason why the wireless WEP settings seem to be forgotten on reboot. So the best workaround I have is to adapt your script to autorun at login (PET attached) and retry interactively if the first attempt fails. The script can be adjusted for startup delay and retry delay as desired. So far it works for me on the first try after rebooting ~60% of the time and the retry ~40%. If you're not in range of your access point, move the mouse pointer over the 'retry in 20 sec' splash to cancel the connection.
Hope it helps,
TazOC

[Barburo]

Thanks Taz,
It worked for me! I never thought to try symlinking to startup.
Nice implementation with the "Connecting to Wireless" and "Wireless Connected" messages. I can't tell whether it needed to do any retries but I'll keep it in there and report anything I find. Thanks again for your reponse on this.
B.

[tazoc]

CLAM01,
Thanks for the information about Oxygen Office. Here is the SFS:
OxygenOfficePro-3.2.1.sfs 425M md5.txt

It has an optional Quickstarter trayicon. To enable, move OpenOfficeTray from /Startup/DisabledItems into /Startup.

Barburo,
I'm glad that ConnectWireless is connecting! I will include the script and symlinks in DisabledItems for the next release.
-TazOC

[Q5sys]

Ive had no luck with TrueCrypt 7 as of yet... running into a few problems that im trying to work around... i'll eventually figure it out.

[tazoc]

Hi Q5sys,
Don't sweat it, I just found a Slackware package of TC7 that works fine and plan to include it in the next Mariner. Just needed fuse-2.8.1-i486-1. It doesn't need the mount-FULL-puppy and wrapper script, it just works fine with the default mount-FULL. The compile, or slackbuild as they call it has a patch or two and some tricks I don't quite understand at http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slac ... /truecrypt truecrypt.SlackBuild in the build directory. The binary is in the /pkg/13.1 directory.
Thanks for your time and effort,
TazOC

[Jim1911]

Hi TazOC,

Thanks for the OxygenOffice sfs, works fine, although I haven't used it enough to discern differences between it and OpenOffice. I'm still amazed at how fast and stable the new KDE4.4 is even with all the special effects. Now I hardly ever boot into Kubuntu since your implementation is better and faster.

Incidently there is a minor update to Bibletime.

Cheers,
Jim

[Barburo]

WirelessConnect Script:

It works. I've seen the re-try message a couple of times.
The placement of the sky-blue messages (Connecting and Connected) at the bottom interferes a bit with wbar on my screen. (I need to right mouse click to get wbar to reset). As the script is symlinked to startup it runs every time you reload X or change window managers, but I have not seen any failures when it runs like this, and it only takes a a second or two.

I decided to do a test with a new save file and discovered I can get wifi connected consistently through a script in rc.local if I do not run the connection wizard and answer "yes" to "Save for next boot?"

I thought that there may be something "left over" from the wizard that causes this. I booted 5c using pfix=ram and made a new save file called test. I did not run the wizard to connect to wifi, only my original script, which connected OK. I added the script to to rc.local, and rebooted several times - no problem getting wi-fi connected. I switched window managers and still no problems on boot. I decided to use your pet on my test save file, so I ran the wizard to get the parameters (I really didn't need to do this but I was following the instructions). I removed my original script and added ConnectWireless to startup, and found that sometimes it works first try and sometimes it doesn't, hence my conclusion.

So there are a couple of options but I guess the important thing is don't run the wizard if you intend using a connection script.

B.