Kinda Lucid Puppy 006 (August 1st)

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#41 Post by musher0 »

Hello, Iguleder

I just discovered your derivative. Congratulations ! :D KLP is very pleasant to work with. Many thanks for providing a ready-made access to upgraded programs, especially including the new Opera, with the time-tested Puppy 4.31 structure.

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#42 Post by sinc »

I feel like i'm cheating on ttuuxxx but i really like klp so far. i've used it for a couple of days and am very pleased. i'm just gonna start with one idea, i know its been implemented before but a gui to change the clock from 24 hr to 12 hr would be recommended. i know how to do it manually but for those that don't that would be nice.

alright, alright... 2 other minor things that don't really matter at all (i told you I am very pleased with your product). your aesthetics are very nice in general maybe change the puppy picture on the Menu button. And, I've never understood this, shouldn't "calc" on the desktop be called "spreadsheet".

I know I'm being picky about things I can change myself, just ideas, thats all. Thanks again I am very satisfied with the way KLP works

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#43 Post by Iguleder »

musher0 wrote:KLP is very pleasant to work with.
Great honor to receive that reply from you, musher. Thank you!
sinc wrote:a gui to change the clock from 24 hr to 12 hr would be recommended.
Gimme a PET (or a bunch of files), I'll add it. I like that idea :)
sinc wrote:the puppy picture on the Menu button.
In fact, I changed it once, but the problem is that other stuff need that icon and it makes no sense to put something else there. I mean, the "wizard wizard" uses it too ... so it's kinda weird. I think I'll try to edit the base jwmrc and change it to some other image (menubutton.xpm or something). I can also write some gtkdialog GUI to change it, maybe I can even add it to the jwm configuration thingy :)
sinc wrote: And, I've never understood this, shouldn't "calc" on the desktop be called "spreadsheet".
Hehe, you're right, I think so too. I've noticed many icon themes use a calculator icon for gnumeric, maybe the name "calc" is too confusing, even for developers :P

I'll try to change it to "spreadsheet", sometimes justice and common sense beat the Puppy tradition :wink:
sinc wrote:just ideas, thats all.
Ideas, imho, are one of the things that push Puppy forward. Thanks for sharing yours.

EDIT: two problems:
1) Need a good menu button. Hard to find 16x16 graphics these days ... can anyone upload menu buttons from 2.14x, dpup ... ? Let's steal one.
2) Not enough space for the long "spreadsheet". Need some other word or a way to make the icons more spacy. Also, I think I could move the icon, but that would be confusing for pretty much anyone used to Puppy.
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#44 Post by DaveS »

For the menu button icon, I always change /root/.jwmrc-tray/ menu button line to read:

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<TrayButton label="Menu" icon="shutdown24.png">root:3</TrayButton>
I think it looks much better this way, maybe more 'mature', and does not break anything.
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#45 Post by DaveS »

Errrr......... cant add printer. Same problem, drivers composed, then deleted before I can select them. Frugal install, 'save' file.
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#46 Post by Iguleder »

Dang!

I guess we'll need ttuuxxx's modified CUPS wizard.
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#47 Post by DaveS »

I will try to figure out how it is done in Quirky and Luci. they dont seem to need to compose the drivers.
Everything else is working great. The touchpad configure program (flsynclient) is fine and gives sensible defaults, no sign of the dreaded 'clickfinger' parameter found in Quirky and Luci :)
Maybe we should experiment with updating CUPS..........
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#48 Post by Iguleder »

I made some experimental replacement for cups_shell. Try this and tell me what you think. If it doesn't work I'll try to upgrade CUPS.

It doesn't delete the drivers no matter what: you must click the deletion button for that.

The wizard is a modified version of ttuxxx's 2.14x CUPS wizard. Just extract this to /.

EDIT: a new one, much better.

EDIT 2: OMG, I just found out that my Opera launcher was not included in 005. That's weird.
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#49 Post by DaveS »

Iguleder wrote:I made some experimental replacement for cups_shell. Try this and tell me what you think.
Perfect :) Simplifies the process so much.............
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#50 Post by sinc »

I guess it won't work but here's a 16x16 of the puppylogo from barry's website.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy//viewt ... 2385494842

well heres a thread about changing the clock format in puppy 4 but for some reason I can't seem to make it work. maybe someone else can see whats necessary to make these scripts work.

Thank you for addressing the items I bought up, they really seem silly, they are such small things. Two other things if I may, a small default powerpoint reader would be great. many emails come in ppt format and I can't open them without open office. I don't feel editing is important, for that I could just use open office and be happy but just the default ability to read a ppt file would be nice. And secondly (this is probably not the thread for this b/c its the case in all the new puppies but) the master volume control does not control the volume if a headset is plugged in. I use my stereo through my computer and being able to change the volume is really a pain since I have to go into the menu and open zmixer to adjust the volume.
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#51 Post by Iguleder »

Good news, I'm working on some experimental Ubuntu-built KLP. Identical to KLP in everything except:
- Everything is newer
- Ayttm replaces Pidgin
- The menus are split like Lupu's.

It is built from Woof (and not from Moo and Lupu), so I have total control, I know what goes in and what stays out.

Other goodies:
- The printer manager
- The Pmusic tray icon I wrote
- Moo
- Netsurf as a CUPS/help page viewer and Opera plus my opera launcher and fixes
- LXRandR
- No annoying (and useless) first-boot wizard
- A font appearance wizard I wrote for font antialiasing
- Some Lupu stuff replace the KLP stuff ... like GNOME-Mplayer instead of gxine/xine-lib ... but the multimedia support is the same.
- Many Lupu bugs fixed
- KLP's tray icons and atwork
- Snappy!

The name is "Murky Puppy" ... mabye KLP can be a retro branch of Murky :)

Currently, there are some severe bugs:
- No MIME-type handling, clicking on some files won't run the appropriate application
- Some Lupu/Woof quirks
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Iguleder This sounds great!

#52 Post by paulhomebus »

I'll be the first to test it...

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cool

#53 Post by upnorth »

Looking foward to it!

The font appearance wizard is a great idea too. I've been playing around with it today on spup40. I only have an old 14" crt though at the moment. I think on crt, antialias should always be selected, If everything is unselected, the fonts then look decayed. Apparently the fontconfig default is somehow different than:

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<match target="font"><edit name="antialias" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
	<edit name="hinting" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
	<edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
	<edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"><const>hintnone</const></edit>
 </match>
but I'm not absolutely sure, only that changeing antialias back to true results in normal good appearance on crt.

EDIT: with all 4 options enabled, on crt the fonts look splendid - for crt's, the ones to avoid are the 10-sub-pixel*.conf.

I also commented out the removal and symlink of /etc/fonts/local.conf and pasted in at top of .fonts.conf:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd">
<!-- ~/.fonts.conf file to configure system fonts locally -->
<fontconfig>

with </fontconfig> at bottom.

That way it's more accommodating to manually adding other config snippets.

I inserted the code from 70-no-bitmaps.conf to test. Then ran fc-cache -f with no errors.

Thanks again for your work!

PS: Pretty sure ~/.fonts.conf will take precedence over /etc/fonts/local.conf anyway.
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#54 Post by efiguy »

Hi Iguleder,
- Liked the writeup on KLP005 as media player, for I'm looking at streaming TV as only purpose PC. - Couldn't find the KLP005 iso and read the forum pages.
- Are you dropping 431 based KLP005 and moving to a later kernel and package with 006?

- I would still like to try a debugged 431 base if it is available, I hope haven't overlooked link - Duh on my part

- Othewise will wait for the 006 murky ..... [quote] some experimental Ubuntu-built KLP. Identical to KLP -- Woof (and not from Moo and Lupu) name is "Murky Puppy" ... mabye KLP can be a retro branch of Murky
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- If you might, please post a kernel # when you make the Murky announcement.

Thanks,
Jay
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--EDIT -- Got them!! - editing with TV scan converter / klp005 on Dell GS4D10B Optiplex GX110 --- 640x480 to NTSC

Again Thanks

Puppy People are so far ahead of any other distros There really is NO comparison.

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#55 Post by Iguleder »

I think I'll just make two of them ... sounds fun :)

I mean, I won't make them identical, but all the stuff that are not version-specific will be in both, like the font appearance thing. I'll keep all the goodies I put in KLP, the multimedia experience should be identical in both.

btw, 005 is here.

The Murky Puppy thing uses the latest Lupu kernel to keep it compatible with all 3rd-party drivers people compile, but it comes without certain things, such as Quickpet ... just because I like the 4.x spirit, as you guys know.

I think this is the way to go ... one big guy for more modern PCs and another one for those who like something more retro - same userland, same functionality, just some different under the hood.

EDIT: maybe I'll upload some development build of Murky Puppy today. It looks good already ... just need to polish some rough edges.

EDIT 2: uploading 001 ... I think it's 25% beta quality ... but who cares, we're adventurous, aren't we? :wink:
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#56 Post by tlchost »

Tried the new cups wizard....click on add printer....nothing happens. Click on manage printers and add a printer....while I can select my LaserJet 1012 on USB 1 .... I get an internal server error.

Hope there is a fix

I am running on bootable USB

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Re: Cups wizard

#57 Post by tlchost »

tlchost wrote: Hope there is a fix
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#58 Post by Terryphi »

I've just tried KLP005 and it looks good. One question: why are Opera program files in /root/.local ? What is the upgrade method for Opera? I have been removing the old Opera version using PPM and then using the Opera deb file to install the newer version.

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#59 Post by Iguleder »

Just delete that directory, then download the latest Opera from the official site and run the installer, choose to install locally (to /root/.local). I made my Opera from such installation to make upgrades easier.

I could make a pet that goes to /usr, but in order to upgrade, you'd have to hunt down all Opera's files one by one.
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#60 Post by Terryphi »

Thanks, Iguleder. That is simple enough. :)
Now off to try Murky. You are doing some great work!

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