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PostPosted: Fri 09 Jul 2010, 08:18    Post_subject: Laptop running hot.  

Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Jul 2010, 08:44    Post_subject: LH memory hungry?  

Fortunately I have 1GB of RAM and the LH sfs is loaded in it.
But still if I see free, it seems to me I have little memory free while running only SeaMonkey.bash-4.1
Code:
# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      1034312       856568       177744            0       126012
 Swap:       391160            0       391160
Total:      1425472       856568       568904
<root> ~
bash-4.1#

Also I don't experience LH as snappy as I expected.
f.e. I started Sakura and it did take several seconds before I got the window.
(CPU freq is 1.400 GHz, but often running at 0,600GHzwith CPU freq scaling active)

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Jul 2010, 14:17    Post_subject: Re: National Language Keyboard (Belgim) support in wine not ok  

Béèm wrote:
But in wine, I have no accented characters and ê displays as ^e and ô as ^o.

In lucid I have no problems in wine, so I have the impression that LightHouse is to be incriminated.

Any idea if a correction is possible?
Incriminated uh ohh Exclamation Maybe you can help me with this. You might try booting with pfix=ram, rename /root/.wine and install a Wine pet. I will try the same when I have a chance. If you try one and it doesn't help, let me know so I can try a different one. There are many more available on the forum--not sure which is best. The last time I updated Wine it was from a Debian package as that was the latest. A Wine 1.2 Final release is coming soon, so if we can find a pet that works maybe there will be a similar pet of 1.2 shortly thereafter.
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Jul 2010, 14:55    Post_subject: Re: Laptop running hot.  

Béèm wrote:
Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.
Hi Béèm,
I don't know. What is your CPU usage typically? Which WM? My dual-core system is running KDE 4 with 14 SFS files layered. My CPU usage is 15-20% with the interactive globe wallpaper and 8-10% with static image wallpaper. My temps are 44C core and 41C case. Sakura opens instantly. Now that it's summer the ambient temp can raise your core temp.

You might look at qps or htop and sort by CPU%, then MEM% to see if there is anything unusual. In KDE 4 disable desktop effects. Logging out and restarting X once in a while is a good idea.
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Jul 2010, 16:08    Post_subject: Re: Laptop running hot.  

tazoc wrote:
Béèm wrote:
Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.
Hi Béèm,
I don't know. What is your CPU usage typically? Which WM? My dual-core system is running KDE 4 with 14 SFS files layered. My CPU usage is 15-20% with the interactive globe wallpaper and 8-10% with static image wallpaper. My temps are 44C core and 41C case. Sakura opens instantly. Now that it's summer the ambient temp can raise your core temp.

You might look at qps or htop and sort by CPU%, then MEM% to see if there is anything unusual. In KDE 4 disable desktop effects. Logging out and restarting X once in a while is a good idea.
-TazOC
I run the base LH 500C with only OOo 3.2c as sfs. No KDE. I am running icewm.
I am not very familiar with interpreting htop. Looked at it, but nothing really struck my mind. And started conky.
See the picture.
CPU goes max to some 15-20%
But strangely conky show 19% of occupancy of ram, while free shows almost all is used.

Strange I tried to open Sakura again and it took 6 seconds, but subsequent openings took less then one second. hmmm.

But as I said, I have the same issue of temp with Quirky. Not anymore with lucid since the last couple of releases (now at 209) A kina hint?
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Jul 2010, 16:17    Post_subject: Re: National Language Keyboard (Belgim) support in wine not ok  

tazoc wrote:
Béèm wrote:
But in wine, I have no accented characters and ê displays as ^e and ô as ^o.

In lucid I have no problems in wine, so I have the impression that LightHouse is to be incriminated.

Any idea if a correction is possible?
Incriminated uh ohh Exclamation Maybe you can help me with this. You might try booting with pfix=ram, rename /root/.wine and install a Wine pet. I will try the same when I have a chance. If you try one and it doesn't help, let me know so I can try a different one. There are many more available on the forum--not sure which is best. The last time I updated Wine it was from a Debian package as that was the latest. A Wine 1.2 Final release is coming soon, so if we can find a pet that works maybe there will be a similar pet of 1.2 shortly thereafter.
-TazOC
I downloaded wine 1.2 rc6 pet, but when I install it, what effect will it have as wine 1.44 is already included in LH. In lucid I use a sfs, the 1.39 one.

Will report my findings.

EDIT

So I booted with pfix-ram
Renamed /root/.wine
Installed wine 1.2-rc6-i386.pet
Verified in Sakura that I had indeed wine 1.2-rc6
Opened Wine Wordpad
But none of the accented characters like é à did show in the document.

So I have the same issue still.

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Jul 2010, 02:03    Post_subject: NVIDIA -173.1.4.25 drivers  

A little NVidia advice? nv driver works, but I would like the accellerated graphics..the 195 series included will not work for me

in Puppy5 and luci-204-209 I can successfully install and use the NVIDIA-173.14.25_lupu500-k2.6.33.2.pet, and in puppy 4.31 successfully install and use the
NVIDIA-173.14.12-k2.6.25.16.pet

are there options for me with needing the 173 series drivers? The puppy 5 pet will not work -(needs a different xorg i think??) I have downloaded the propriatery driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.25-pkg1.run from NVidia site, but not sure if I will break something if I try adding these drivers to LHP 5.00C

I am a noob so I am half expecting to break something anyway, but I will search the forum for how-to's on how to add it in before I try, but want to make sure that LHP will be able to support these drivers, and any special things I need to know to be successful (same directories? any symlinks or libs to add? etc,)

I really like KDE now that I have seen it Smile LOL had no idea it was so pretty!!
and the SFS's are awesome - are they interchangeable with other puppies or LHP dependant?

thanks for the help and the wow-what -a-puppy-version-LHP-is!!!
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Jul 2010, 03:55    Post_subject:  

charbaby66,
As for the sfs, as long as they are in the correct version for the OS (in LH, lucid etc.. version 4) they will load at boot, also in other puppies. It might be possible then that a problem of dependencies may arise, but I didn't have the case yet.

Look in the Puppy projects | the next step to puppy 5.1 (the last couple of pages) and you'll find that there is a Xorg_high also for Nvidia which gives more functionality like glx and dri. Maybe that's what you're looking for.

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Jul 2010, 08:01    Post_subject: (SOLVED) Nvidia GeForce 5200FX GL now working in my LHP
Sub_title: NVIDIA-173.14.25_quirky-k2.6.33.2.pet was the one, driver not in xorgwizard though?
 

Béèm wrote:


Look in the Puppy projects | the next step to puppy 5.1 (the last couple of pages) and you'll find that there is a Xorg_high also for Nvidia which gives more functionality like glx and dri. Maybe that's what you're looking for.


thx Beem . forgot to say I tried that too, before, and that pet also brings black screen and much frustration - my Nvidia GeForce 5200FX doesnt like it
and I do try to check the supported chipsets in the pets I am trying first
LOL I learned that the hard way!! and know it's gotta be a 173.14.25 pet for this card

but In LHP I finally was successful using the NVIDIA-173.14.25_quirky-k2.6.33.2.pet - here's what worked:

- installed it, then exited to prompt, typed "nvidia-xconfig" and restarted x

sadly this driver under LHP is about 1/2 the speed as the puppy 5 and 4.31 173.14,25 pets running in their puppies (LHP approx 6000fps vs puppy5.01/luci-209/puppy4.31 consistent @ 12000 and up to 16000fps tested under glxgears) but that sure beats the 300-500fps with nv driver!


**as long as i stay away from xorgwizard after this install ..i am fine !!!

- if i run it (every way u can including the Nvidia setting) trying to see the new driver (i can't) or probe for the new nvidia driver it gets stuck on the black screen of limbo - and it seems like nv is screwy afterward if i go back to it

( i had to boot from RAM and go back to saved pupfile to start again and get a behaving nv driver back and start again until i decided to keep out of xorgwizard- if my system says it works i dont care if xorgwizard can't see the driver

(maybe it's just me being a clueless noob?) but i will stick to the process above I got to work unless someone knows why i am having that issue)


Video Report: Lighthouse Pup version 5.00-C

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: NV34 Board - p162-1nz Chip Rev


X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nvidia
xorg.conf exists: yes
Video mode used by Xorg: 1024x768 Depth: 24
current xrandr mode: 1024x768 50.0 51.0 52.0
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Jul 2010, 13:48    Post_subject:  

Thank you Béèm and charbaby66 for the testing results and feedback. I'm downloading CatDude's NVIDIA pets to see if I can modify for LHP compatibility, at least with the Lighthouse 5.00 Xorg Wizard.

Maybe compiling Wine in Lighthouse would help me figure out why keymaps aren't taking in Wine.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Jul 2010, 20:10    Post_subject: Re: National Language Keyboard (Belgim) support in wine not ok
Sub_title: PET to fix this bug in LHP 5.00C is attached
 

Béèm wrote:
So I booted with pfix-ram
Renamed /root/.wine
Installed wine 1.2-rc6-i386.pet
Verified in Sakura that I had indeed wine 1.2-rc6
Opened Wine Wordpad
But none of the accented characters like é à did show in the document.

So I have the same issue still.
Hi Béèm,
Took me several hours (compiling Wine in LHP didn't fix the bug), but I found some clues after installing Wine in Quirky and now I think I've found the reason. The locale directory in /usr/lib/X11/ was missing. Here's a pet of just the missing files. Just close any Wine apps and install the pet.
-TazOC
Wine_keymap_fix-LHP5.00-C.pet
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Jul 2010, 07:36    Post_subject:
Sub_title: re: Nvidia 173.14.25 pets, grubconfig, cpu freq.tool
 

per TazOC
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Thank you Béèm and charbaby66 for the testing results and feedback. I'm downloading CatDude's NVIDIA pets to see if I can modify for LHP compatibility, at least with the Lighthouse 5.00 Xorg Wizard.


1. I had reported the NVIDIA-173.14.25_lupu500-k2.6.33.2.pet did not work for me in LHP, but after I calfed a few things and re-installed LHP, I tried installing it as I did the NVIDIA-173.14.25_quirky-k2.6.33.2.pet - and it worked, just not in or via the xorgwizard So maybe you will be able to add either/or both to xorg.. I still find lupu pet slightly faster than quirky

2.. I buggered up my grub install learning correct settings. Wanted to fix from Linux, without resorting to fdisk/mbr unless needed. grubconfig in Puppy luci209 crashed when adding the Linux partition to header file whether simple or expert.. Booted LHP from Cd. grubconfig worked flawlessly!! I am now back frugal and fancyfree. So IMHO LHP's version seems more stable than luci9/lupu?

Question? running on AMD Athlon XP 2100+ 1768Mhz system tried to get cpu frequency scaling tool to work.. none of the modules will load. What am I doing wrong- or need to do? Is my system just too old?

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Jul 2010, 17:22    Post_subject: NVIDIA-173.14.25-k2.6.33.2.pet for testing in LHP 5.00C
Sub_title: re: Nvidia 173.14.25 pets, grubconfig, cpu freq.tool
 

charbaby66 wrote:
1. I had reported the NVIDIA-173.14.25_lupu500-k2.6.33.2.pet did not work for me in LHP, but after I calfed a few things and re-installed LHP, I tried installing it as I did the NVIDIA-173.14.25_quirky-k2.6.33.2.pet - and it worked, just not in or via the xorgwizard So maybe you will be able to add either/or both to xorg.. I still find lupu pet slightly faster than quirky
I re-built the Quirky 173 pet with an updated xorgwizard and Mesa libs from the LHP 195 pet. Please boot LHP 5.00C, just typing ram at the boot menu and install this NVIDIA-173.14.25-k2.6.33.2.pet 14M md5.txt. If it doesn't work on first X restart, please type report-video on the command line before running xorgwizard, and rename /tmp/root/video-report-full.gz to video-report-full-01.gz for later. Then try again with xorgwizard | Option 5--NVIDIA | NVIDIA 173.

If that doesn't work, re-run report-video and when you have a chance, please attach the video-report archives to a reply. Thanks for testing this as I don't have a suitable card.
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2.. I buggered up my grub install learning correct settings. Wanted to fix from Linux, without resorting to fdisk/mbr unless needed. grubconfig in Puppy luci209 crashed when adding the Linux partition to header file whether simple or expert.. Booted LHP from Cd. grubconfig worked flawlessly!! I am now back frugal and fancyfree. So IMHO LHP's version seems more stable than luci9/lupu?
I don't know, the grubconfig in LHP5 is from Puppy 4.3.1.
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Question? running on AMD Athlon XP 2100+ 1768Mhz system tried to get cpu frequency scaling tool to work.. none of the modules will load. What am I doing wrong- or need to do? Is my system just too old?
I could not get my Athlon XP to scale either. However, the Mariner SFS includes an automatic power-saving feature called Athcool that effectively cools compatible Athlon and Duron CPUs. If a compatible chipset is not detected, Athcool is disabled. You can monitor athcool in a terminal by typing athcool stat or athcool --help
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jul 2010, 01:58    Post_subject: Re: NVIDIA-173.14.25-k2.6.33.2.pet for testing in LHP 5.00C
Sub_title: re: Nvidia 173.14.25 pets, grubconfig, cpu freq.tool
 

tazoc wrote:
I re-built the Quirky 173 pet with an updated xorgwizard and Mesa libs from the LHP 195 pet. Please boot LHP 5.00C, just typing ram at the boot menu and install this NVIDIA-173.14.25-k2.6.33.2.pet 14M md5.txt. If it doesn't work on first X restart, please type report-video on the command line before running xorgwizard, and rename /tmp/root/video-report-full.gz to video-report-full-01.gz for later. Then try again with xorgwizard | Option 5--NVIDIA | NVIDIA 173.


You are very quick on the reply and the answer my friend! the new pet worked perfectly 1st try Smile i feel special you took the time to do it - and it sure beats my sorry hack. Now I know it will work correctly not just work LOL

report-video still attached


tazoc wrote:
I could not get my Athlon XP to scale either. However, the Mariner SFS includes an automatic power-saving feature called Athcool that effectively cools compatible Athlon and Duron CPUs. If a compatible chipset is not detected, Athcool is disabled. You can monitor athcool in a terminal by typing athcool stat or athcool --help
-TazOC


set athcool on, athcool stat tells me :

VIA KT400[A]/KT600 (1106 3189) found
'Disconnect when STPGNT Detected' bit is enabled.
'HALT Command Detection' bit is enabled.

not sure if working
can see cpu load, ram usage, disk space; can't see computer temp, swap usage,fan speed, ACPI in most of the widgets or gadgets - defaults ones used, others tried - conky, pwidgets KDE thingies etc .. all the same before or after trying athcool

think i am missing something somewhere that affects the system not knowing everything about my computer? is there a command to add or remove from my menu.list? (its pretty easy for a noob to miss a simple setting to boot with that can make things work right) mine is based on your command line

one thing i noticed re cpu freq tool , is that the acpi_generic modules and some others listed are not in boot manager at all but others are, arent they all to be there by default? loaded if desired?

someday when i try my hand at recompiling kernels and remastering i may see if I can build to suit this Athlon XP, thanks for letting me know its not just me - i will stop fighting trying to get the scaling tool to work if it doesnt on here!


so far everything else seems to be ok , except the rox filer bug (sure makes renaming a file an event! --- i will apply the fix i saw somewhere soon) and my wireless (using rt73) doesnt always keep its settings but i just run the connect wizard if needed.. im still learning here, and going to find forum fixes for that too)


EDIT: my swap issue seems to be that it was partitioned with luci208 209 or 210 (been testing too many!) and for some reason i am not able to delete and recreate the partition correctly in LHP - remains unallocated and unformatted even after reboot, so fixed partition in luci210 to have it work in LHP i need to manually activate swapon in Gparted or on the command line after every reboot (frugal install or ram) swapon not saved in pupfile swap not loaded on reboot.



but you are a gem TazOC so is your program

and thanks everyone else for taking the time to assist me too
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jul 2010, 14:13    Post_subject:  

Hi TazOC,
I just tried Fatdog64 Final and found it super-fast on this notebook (that was built for WIndows7 64 bit). Apps like Firefox were also much quicker in opening and operation, which led me to ponder the whole 64-bit option. Fatdog uses Openbox as the WM with JWM as an alternative, but of course it lacks all of the options and customizations that you've built into LHPup (which for me keeps LHPup at the top of the Puppy world!) Not sure how they went about it, but my Intel integrated chip-set was auto detected and correct screen resolution set up on first boot. I was wondering if you had taken a look at it and whether you have any plans for 64bit version of LHPup any time soon.

Also I found that the version of Xine in Fatdog (looked a bit different) was able to play some old .wmv and .mpg vid files that previously only muppyplayer was able to. I don't have the smarts to figure out whether it was the new version or more codecs included.
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