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#141 Post by tazoc »

Ray wrote:I have downloaded the latest Lighthouse Mariner iso, checksums match ok, burnt the iso to cd and tried to run on one of my spare computers, amd 64 Athlon 5600, 2gb ram. The boot starts and then the following message:
Loading isolinux Disk Error 80, ax=42E0, Drive 9F
Any suggestions as to how to make this work.
Ray
Hi Ray,
First, try burning with a Data CD-R, 700 MB / 80 min.; not a DVD and not an audio CD.

If you're in Linux, mount the CD on the computer that failed to boot and run click-to-verify-mariner right off the CD. It will take several minutes and if it gives any errors, then either the burn failed or your drive is unable to read the disc.

Try booting with the same CD on another computer. If that works, you may need to burn the disc at a slower speed, on the same computer you want to boot it with. In Puppy Linux go to: Menu > Multimedia > CD > Burniso2cd, (or Pburn.)

If you're in Windows, browse the CD in Explorer and verify that it has 17 files and open the file logo.png. It should display a dark blue image with a Lighthouse and LINUX in big letters. If the above doesn't match, re-burn the ISO, making sure to use the burn ISO image function, (burning the .iso file to a data layout won't work.) With Nero, go to "File" menu and select "Recorder > Burn Image (or use www.freeisoburner.com)

If you've already done the burn correctly, sometimes burning again with new blank CD-R at a slower speed will help.

Enter safe at the boot menu. That should get you to a command line, then type xorgwizard. If you're not getting to the boot menu, try another bootable CD-R such as an official Puppy CD to verify the drive is able to boot.

Hope that helps,
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#142 Post by Ray »

tazoc wrote:
Ray wrote:I have downloaded the latest Lighthouse Mariner iso, checksums match ok, burnt the iso to cd and tried to run on one of my spare computers, amd 64 Athlon 5600, 2gb ram. The boot starts and then the following message:
Loading isolinux Disk Error 80, ax=42E0, Drive 9F
Any suggestions as to how to make this work.
Ray
Hi Ray,
First, try burning with a Data CD-R, 700 MB / 80 min.; not a DVD and not an audio CD.

If you're in Linux, mount the CD on the computer that failed to boot and run click-to-verify-mariner right off the CD. It will take several minutes and if it gives any errors, then either the burn failed or your drive is unable to read the disc.

Try booting with the same CD on another computer. If that works, you may need to burn the disc at a slower speed, on the same computer you want to boot it with. In Puppy Linux go to: Menu > Multimedia > CD > Burniso2cd, (or Pburn.)

If you're in Windows, browse the CD in Explorer and verify that it has 17 files and open the file logo.png. It should display a dark blue image with a Lighthouse and LINUX in big letters. If the above doesn't match, re-burn the ISO, making sure to use the burn ISO image function, (burning the .iso file to a data layout won't work.) With Nero, go to "File" menu and select "Recorder > Burn Image (or use www.freeisoburner.com)

If you've already done the burn correctly, sometimes burning again with new blank CD-R at a slower speed will help.

Enter safe at the boot menu. That should get you to a command line, then type xorgwizard. If you're not getting to the boot menu, try another bootable CD-R such as an official Puppy CD to verify the drive is able to boot.

Hope that helps,
TazOC
TazOC,

Thanks for the prompt reply. I have determined that it is probably a problem with the cd burn process (used Isoburn program). I have used the downloaded disk iso in my Vmware Workstation and it boots the livecd ok so there was nothing wrong with the download. The only problems were that a) it does not see and mount the virtual disk and b) I had to use the xorgwizard force x option (xorgwizard disappeared into the ether when I selected Probe).

I'll try a new burn using K3B and see whether I can get the liivecd to work on a spare computer although my main preference is to install as a virtual machine, I'm trying to reduce the number of computers I'm using - currently 5. I'll have a search through the forums for installing into Vmware Workstation (latest version 7.1).

I'll keep you posted on my success or failure. Thanks again.

Ray

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#143 Post by tazoc »

Hi Ray,
Make sure that your burning software closes the session or burns as DAO (disc at once). CD-RW might not fit as the Mariner ISO is 684M and some drives are fussy about CD-RW and certain kinds of DVD/DVD-RW. For maximum compatibility as I noted earlier use an 80 min Data CD-R, ideally burned on the same drive you want to boot from.

I haven't used VMWare, but with VirtualBox I also must choose the vesa driver to get X running in Lighthouse. Once LHP is up and running in a virtual machine, it is necessary to unmount the CD-ROM in Lighthouse with Pmount Drives or other method, before using VirtualBox or VMWare to mount a different ISO. Be sure that copy2ram is in effect when booting in a VM (if your VM has at least 512 MB allotted it should do so by default. Don't use safe or nocopy at the boot menu when booting in a VM as the CD-Drive will not be able to unmount.
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Slackware

#144 Post by Capt-CDD »

Tazoc,
First and foremost I want to thank you for your great work. I have been using LH since the 5.0A release and it is my favorite pup by far!

I noticed in the 5.0c release that we were supposed to be able to get slackware straight from the repositories with dependencies through PPM. That would have solved a big problem for me as I needed; blueman, a bluetooth manger for my head set setup for SIP. When I went in to PPM it came up with the regular puppy selections. I tried to add Slackware 1.13 but it did download the database files, but it did not give me a slackware selection. I tried to follow Barry's guide to editing DISTRO_PET_REPOS, DISTRO_COMPAT_REPOS, and DISTRO_SPECS but could not understand exactly what I was to edit and with what URLs and/or info.

So my questions are two fold. 1. should the Slackware have come up automagically in 5.0C. I did upgrade from 5.0B so did not know if I needed to start fresh or what.

2. If I do still have to edit the files above could someone explain it I in a little simpler terms. I have been a puppy user for years and hence have followed Barry's directions many times in the past but this time I just don't comprehend what I'm supposed to do.

Oh and I did install Blueman from GSLAP but it failed on load I suspect due to depenedencies. All I got was flie/directory does not exist.

If I can't resolve this, any recommendations for another bluetooth audio manager and good softphone application would also be appreciated..

Thanks again for a top shelf Distro! Lighthouse 5.0C is super!!!
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first install 500C

#145 Post by Béèm »

Finally could take the time to frugally install 500C.
First nice surprise: no need anymore for nocopy. LH loads fully in memory now (was not the case with 500A)
Second surprise: desktop drive icons retain the size information even with the Belgian locale configures from the beginning.

So this is a good start to continue testing.
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#146 Post by Béèm »

When hovering with the mouse over the xload in the system tray, like in 500A, the cpu freq is 0,000 GHz.
I know I got the reply that sometimes icewm doesn't display the cpu freq there, but hoped the issue was solved.
I know conky displays correctly, but as I have a small screen, conky is always covered.
Still hoping for improvement.
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#147 Post by CLAM01 »

Béèm,
Frequency monitoring has to be set up manually: Right-click the desktop for the menu, go to utility and all the way to the top in the submenu. Five down is CPU Frequency Scaling Tool. Left-click to open and sset it up, your frequency will appear in the box when you mouse-over.

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#148 Post by Béèm »

CLAM01 wrote:Béèm,
Frequency monitoring has to be set up manually: Right-click the desktop for the menu, go to utility and all the way to the top in the submenu. Five down is CPU Frequency Scaling Tool. Left-click to open and sset it up, your frequency will appear in the box when you mouse-over.
Thank you, that did it.
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Re: Slackware

#149 Post by tazoc »

Capt-CDD wrote:I noticed in the 5.0c release that we were supposed to be able to get slackware straight from the repositories with dependencies through PPM. That would have solved a big problem for me as I needed; blueman, a bluetooth manger for my head set setup for SIP. When I went in to PPM it came up with the regular puppy selections. I tried to add Slackware 1.13 but it did download the database files, but it did not give me a slackware selection. I tried to follow Barry's guide to editing DISTRO_PET_REPOS, DISTRO_COMPAT_REPOS, and DISTRO_SPECS but could not understand exactly what I was to edit and with what URLs and/or info.

So my questions are two fold. 1. should the Slackware have come up automagically in 5.0C. I did upgrade from 5.0B so did not know if I needed to start fresh or what.
Yes, with a clean install of 5.00 C, slackware-13.1-official, slackware-13.1-slacky, puppy-woof and puppy-wary repos are preset on first open of PPM. This feature is new for 5.00 C. You could boot with pfix=ram and try it out.

The scripts in /usr/local/petget and the files in /root/.packages were updated. Possibly they were not updated by the upgrade mechanism from B to C. However even with a clean install, PPM is not perfect, for instance, the Quirky repo is selected, but not available in both LHP 5.00C and the latest SlackPup, so this is work in progress. I submitted that bug on the Slackpup 0.3 Beta bugs thread.
2. If I do still have to edit the files above could someone explain it I in a little simpler terms. I have been a puppy user for years and hence have followed Barry's directions many times in the past but this time I just don't comprehend what I'm supposed to do.
I hesitate to recommend a fix I haven't fully tested myself, so backup your pupsave first. Then copy over the 5 files named with ALL_CAPS in the 5.00C main file's /root/.packages into /root/.packages, and maybe all the scripts in /usr/local/petget to /usr/local/petget. If you have a frugal install, these are at /initrd/pup_ro2/root/.packages and /initrd/pup_ro2/usr/local/petget.
Oh and I did install Blueman from GSLAP but it failed on load I suspect due to depenedencies. All I got was flie/directory does not exist.

If I can't resolve this, any recommendations for another bluetooth audio manager and good softphone application would also be appreciated..
I received python import errors even with blueman, bluez, bluez-hcidump and libglade installed from Slack repos via PPM. I will keep working on this and let you know if and when I get it to run without errors, although I don't have any bluetooth hardware to fully test it with.

Mariner 5C has a relative symlink named python to python2.5 in /usr/bin/. You can change it to point to python2.6 in ROX-Filer or by pasting this into a terminal:

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ln -snf /usr/bin/python2.6 /usr/bin/python
however I'm still getting import errors after that switch when typing blueman-applet or blueman-manager in a terminal. If switching to python2.6 breaks anything,

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ln -snf /usr/bin/python2.5 /usr/bin/python
will switch back.
Thanks again for a top shelf Distro! Lighthouse 5.0C is super!!!
You're welcome, I use Lighthouse myself almost all day, almost every day. It's a lot of work, researching, incorporating and testing updates and fixing bugs, but when it works better than before, it's a good feeling. I learn something every day; for instance, one simple change often has unforeseen consequences! I'm lucky if some of my work is helpful to others, just as many others' work is invaluable to mine.
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National Language Keyboard (Belgim) support in wine not ok

#150 Post by Béèm »

I did choose the be-latin1 keyboard. I also did choose the be one for xkbd.

In native mode (geany etc...) I have no problems with the accented characters and dead key support.

But in wine, I have no accented characters and ê displays as ^e and ô as ^o.

In lucid I have no problems in wine, so I have the impression that LightHouse is to be incriminated.

Any idea if a correction is possible?
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Laptop running hot.

#151 Post by Béèm »

Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.
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LH memory hungry?

#152 Post by Béèm »

Fortunately I have 1GB of RAM and the LH sfs is loaded in it.
But still if I see free, it seems to me I have little memory free while running only SeaMonkey.bash-4.1

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# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      1034312       856568       177744            0       126012
 Swap:       391160            0       391160
Total:      1425472       856568       568904
<root> ~
bash-4.1# 
Also I don't experience LH as snappy as I expected.
f.e. I started Sakura and it did take several seconds before I got the window.
(CPU freq is 1.400 GHz, but often running at 0,600GHzwith CPU freq scaling active)
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Re: National Language Keyboard (Belgim) support in wine not ok

#153 Post by tazoc »

Béèm wrote:But in wine, I have no accented characters and ê displays as ^e and ô as ^o.

In lucid I have no problems in wine, so I have the impression that LightHouse is to be incriminated.

Any idea if a correction is possible?
Incriminated uh ohh :!: Maybe you can help me with this. You might try booting with pfix=ram, rename /root/.wine and install a Wine pet. I will try the same when I have a chance. If you try one and it doesn't help, let me know so I can try a different one. There are many more available on the forum--not sure which is best. The last time I updated Wine it was from a Debian package as that was the latest. A Wine 1.2 Final release is coming soon, so if we can find a pet that works maybe there will be a similar pet of 1.2 shortly thereafter.
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Re: Laptop running hot.

#154 Post by tazoc »

Béèm wrote:Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.
Hi Béèm,
I don't know. What is your CPU usage typically? Which WM? My dual-core system is running KDE 4 with 14 SFS files layered. My CPU usage is 15-20% with the interactive globe wallpaper and 8-10% with static image wallpaper. My temps are 44C core and 41C case. Sakura opens instantly. Now that it's summer the ambient temp can raise your core temp.

You might look at qps or htop and sort by CPU%, then MEM% to see if there is anything unusual. In KDE 4 disable desktop effects. Logging out and restarting X once in a while is a good idea.
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Re: Laptop running hot.

#155 Post by Béèm »

tazoc wrote:
Béèm wrote:Like in Quirky, I got frequent pop-up's of high temperature in LH.
I don't have this in the latest lucid's.

I activated CPU Frequency Scaling and the frequency of the pop-up's has decreased, but not ceased. I see clearly that the frequency is adapted in function of the load demand.

But still I wonder why I have this issue in LH (and Quirky) and what can be done about it.
Hi Béèm,
I don't know. What is your CPU usage typically? Which WM? My dual-core system is running KDE 4 with 14 SFS files layered. My CPU usage is 15-20% with the interactive globe wallpaper and 8-10% with static image wallpaper. My temps are 44C core and 41C case. Sakura opens instantly. Now that it's summer the ambient temp can raise your core temp.

You might look at qps or htop and sort by CPU%, then MEM% to see if there is anything unusual. In KDE 4 disable desktop effects. Logging out and restarting X once in a while is a good idea.
-TazOC
I run the base LH 500C with only OOo 3.2c as sfs. No KDE. I am running icewm.
I am not very familiar with interpreting htop. Looked at it, but nothing really struck my mind. And started conky.
See the picture.
CPU goes max to some 15-20%
But strangely conky show 19% of occupancy of ram, while free shows almost all is used.

Strange I tried to open Sakura again and it took 6 seconds, but subsequent openings took less then one second. hmmm.

But as I said, I have the same issue of temp with Quirky. Not anymore with lucid since the last couple of releases (now at 209) A kina hint?
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Re: National Language Keyboard (Belgim) support in wine not ok

#156 Post by Béèm »

tazoc wrote:
Béèm wrote:But in wine, I have no accented characters and ê displays as ^e and ô as ^o.

In lucid I have no problems in wine, so I have the impression that LightHouse is to be incriminated.

Any idea if a correction is possible?
Incriminated uh ohh :!: Maybe you can help me with this. You might try booting with pfix=ram, rename /root/.wine and install a Wine pet. I will try the same when I have a chance. If you try one and it doesn't help, let me know so I can try a different one. There are many more available on the forum--not sure which is best. The last time I updated Wine it was from a Debian package as that was the latest. A Wine 1.2 Final release is coming soon, so if we can find a pet that works maybe there will be a similar pet of 1.2 shortly thereafter.
-TazOC
I downloaded wine 1.2 rc6 pet, but when I install it, what effect will it have as wine 1.44 is already included in LH. In lucid I use a sfs, the 1.39 one.

Will report my findings.

EDIT

So I booted with pfix-ram
Renamed /root/.wine
Installed wine 1.2-rc6-i386.pet
Verified in Sakura that I had indeed wine 1.2-rc6
Opened Wine Wordpad
But none of the accented characters like é à did show in the document.

So I have the same issue still.
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NVIDIA -173.1.4.25 drivers

#157 Post by charbaby66 »

A little NVidia advice? nv driver works, but I would like the accellerated graphics..the 195 series included will not work for me

in Puppy5 and luci-204-209 I can successfully install and use the NVIDIA-173.14.25_lupu500-k2.6.33.2.pet, and in puppy 4.31 successfully install and use the
NVIDIA-173.14.12-k2.6.25.16.pet

are there options for me with needing the 173 series drivers? The puppy 5 pet will not work -(needs a different xorg i think??) I have downloaded the propriatery driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.25-pkg1.run from NVidia site, but not sure if I will break something if I try adding these drivers to LHP 5.00C

I am a noob so I am half expecting to break something anyway, but I will search the forum for how-to's on how to add it in before I try, but want to make sure that LHP will be able to support these drivers, and any special things I need to know to be successful (same directories? any symlinks or libs to add? etc,)

I really like KDE now that I have seen it :) LOL had no idea it was so pretty!!
and the SFS's are awesome - are they interchangeable with other puppies or LHP dependant?

thanks for the help and the wow-what -a-puppy-version-LHP-is!!!

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#158 Post by Béèm »

charbaby66,
As for the sfs, as long as they are in the correct version for the OS (in LH, lucid etc.. version 4) they will load at boot, also in other puppies. It might be possible then that a problem of dependencies may arise, but I didn't have the case yet.

Look in the Puppy projects | the next step to puppy 5.1 (the last couple of pages) and you'll find that there is a Xorg_high also for Nvidia which gives more functionality like glx and dri. Maybe that's what you're looking for.
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(SOLVED) Nvidia GeForce 5200FX GL now working in my LHP

#159 Post by charbaby66 »

Béèm wrote:
Look in the Puppy projects | the next step to puppy 5.1 (the last couple of pages) and you'll find that there is a Xorg_high also for Nvidia which gives more functionality like glx and dri. Maybe that's what you're looking for.
thx Beem . forgot to say I tried that too, before, and that pet also brings black screen and much frustration - my Nvidia GeForce 5200FX doesnt like it
and I do try to check the supported chipsets in the pets I am trying first
LOL I learned that the hard way!! and know it's gotta be a 173.14.25 pet for this card

but In LHP I finally was successful using the NVIDIA-173.14.25_quirky-k2.6.33.2.pet - here's what worked:

- installed it, then exited to prompt, typed "nvidia-xconfig" and restarted x

sadly this driver under LHP is about 1/2 the speed as the puppy 5 and 4.31 173.14,25 pets running in their puppies (LHP approx 6000fps vs puppy5.01/luci-209/puppy4.31 consistent @ 12000 and up to 16000fps tested under glxgears) but that sure beats the 300-500fps with nv driver!


**as long as i stay away from xorgwizard after this install ..i am fine !!!

- if i run it (every way u can including the Nvidia setting) trying to see the new driver (i can't) or probe for the new nvidia driver it gets stuck on the black screen of limbo - and it seems like nv is screwy afterward if i go back to it

( i had to boot from RAM and go back to saved pupfile to start again and get a behaving nv driver back and start again until i decided to keep out of xorgwizard- if my system says it works i dont care if xorgwizard can't see the driver

(maybe it's just me being a clueless noob?) but i will stick to the process above I got to work unless someone knows why i am having that issue)


Video Report: Lighthouse Pup version 5.00-C

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: NV34 Board - p162-1nz Chip Rev


X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nvidia
xorg.conf exists: yes
Video mode used by Xorg: 1024x768 Depth: 24
current xrandr mode: 1024x768 50.0 51.0 52.0

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#160 Post by tazoc »

Thank you Béèm and charbaby66 for the testing results and feedback. I'm downloading CatDude's NVIDIA pets to see if I can modify for LHP compatibility, at least with the Lighthouse 5.00 Xorg Wizard.

Maybe compiling Wine in Lighthouse would help me figure out why keymaps aren't taking in Wine.
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