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Sage

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PostPosted: Mon 17 May 2010, 04:32    Post subject:  New ARMaments  

Did you notice that Slack has been ported for ARM:
http://www.slackware.com/index.html
More ARM systems promised. Probably a vista for the future. x86 has been stretched well beyond breaking point. Who is fabbing for ARM?
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PostPosted: Mon 17 May 2010, 19:37    Post subject: fab  

Look at SmartQ.
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PostPosted: Tue 18 May 2010, 04:48    Post subject:  

Had a little difficulty with the simplified Chinese. However, the mention of WinCE is sufficient for me to run a mile...
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PostPosted: Tue 18 May 2010, 15:33    Post subject:  

Some comments on the internet say that ARM based processors may be the future of small Netbook computers. So cool that we can have linux for them too that is easily avalable.

Maybe I am too naive. Would linux on ARM be more secure from exploits if they used unique subroutine calls to the ARM processor microcode making it too difficult for the criminals to write exploits.

sorry a bit to offtopic.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun 2010, 11:07    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
Had a little difficulty with the simplified Chinese. However, the mention of WinCE is sufficient for me to run a mile...


Well, Sage, just because it will run CE (as well as Ubuntu 9.10 and Android OS) doesn't mean it's bad. Just means it can multi-boot.

Seems like a natural for Puppy if we had an ARM build like Ubuntu does. I imagine it would run rings around Ubuntu, and CE would be relegated to an unused curiosity.

I can dual boot into XP, Win98, as well as Puppy on my regular laptop or desktop (not that I have booted win in at least a year), That doesn't mean those computers are bad. Very Happy

Lots of exciting stuff happening in tablets these days (see forum at slatedroid dot com). Almost all ARM processor based. Android running on most of these ARM tablets is linux kernel based and open source. I wish Puppy was part of it. The speed and small size are exactly what is needed.
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jun 2010, 10:39    Post subject:  

In principle, logically, what you say, vtpup , is indisputable.
Unfortunately it doesn't/hasn't worked like that in the real world. You left out 'leverage' and marketing muscle in your model. These are by-words for capitalist corruption.
What we desperately need are machines that cannot run anything out of Redmond. The world cannot afford to pervert the cause of progress, peace, cooperation and understanding twice. Well, OK, any more...
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jun 2010, 21:27    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
In principle, logically, what you say, vtpup , is indisputable.
Unfortunately it doesn't/hasn't worked like that in the real world. You left out 'leverage' and marketing muscle in your model. These are by-words for capitalist corruption.
What we desperately need are machines that cannot run anything out of Redmond. The world cannot afford to pervert the cause of progress, peace, cooperation and understanding twice. Well, OK, any more...


haha, okay I'm with you. You realize of course though we're talking censorship of the bad guys. Maybe deflation of all that marketing muscle is better than amputation.

Like the emperor's new clothes. Once the cry is heard, that man is naked as a jaybird.

So back to the topic at hand -- will we see an ARM pup? I'm going to install Debian as soon as my slate gets here from Hong Kong. I'd like to poke around with it. But of course Puppy is the ultimate, as far as I'm concerned.

BTW I'm getting a cheapie Eken M001 with VIA 8505 chipset after all. It doesn't run CE, just Android 1.6, upgradeable to 1.7. Lots of hacking going on for that tablet because of the $99 price, though. I'm interested to see what can be done.
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jun 2010, 00:42    Post subject:  

It is a question of a large consistent user base of devices.
That might take a year or two to develop from a product such as the dedicated hardware for running Chromium OS and whether it is accessible.
Chromium OS hardware is Intel based at the moment
http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/getting-dev-hardware/dev-hardware-list

At the present time Android and Ophone devices have not achieved mass market ARM appeal. Smile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPhone

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jun 2010, 07:08    Post subject:  

Lobster, I do trust you mean Iphone devices. My fingers hit the wrong o instead of i many times a day so it is most likely.

vtpup re your Eken M001. Wow 99 USD that is so cheap that even me would buy it. Would be cool to run Puppy on such gear indeed.

user review here
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82976

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First thing to note is that you cannot recharge off the USB connection. I knew this going in, but still it is disappointing. I prefer usb charging for most of my devices these days, and usb charging also opens up the possibility of extended the mobile battery life by using backup power devices that give additional charging over usb (including the

Secondly, you will note that it claims USB x 2, but in fact only has 1 USB connection, and it uses an iPod/iPhone style connection on the tablet side. It also claims a microphone port, but no evidence of one on the device as it is shipping.


So cheap prize cheap features?

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Heheh, okay sorry. So Ophone it is. Google didn't trust me searching for it.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jun 2010, 08:24    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Lobster, I do trust you mean Iphone devices.


No I mean Ophone - an Android clone used in China were most smart devices are being prepared for market. Nothing may come of it and it may just be used by their internal markets. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jun 2010, 09:24    Post subject:  

I sent for my Eken M001 at DealExtreme after having trouble getting two other sources to actually ship it. It was $99 including air mail via HKPost. They processed in under 3 days and sent a tracking number. Another one I tried hadn't even sent it after 8 days. Unfortunately DE seems to be out of the Eken M001 at last look -- actually many other sources seem to be as well. So maybe I got the last one until the mfr catches up.

There are several other types that are similar, but not the same, and the specs are wildly misquoted on many. The true Eken M001 is actually 350 mHz (usually called 600 mHz) and 128 Mb internal memory w/2gb internal SD ram and expandable to 32 mb externally. It always has the Via processor. Usually white case and a red button.There's a larger 8" Eken M003, that is to be avoided no USB and no hacked firmware, also slow. I say all this because there is so much confusion in the market.

The M001 has the most development by hackers -- new firmware weekly and lots going on -- maybe three times as much as the others.

Debian has been run on them, though you need to add a USB Mouse and keyboard to do the initial setup, and that requires a powered hub. It doesn't seem like anybody has yet added touchscreen capability in a Debian install, though it looks like there are touch screen drivers in Debian (perhaps something for me to work on trying to achieve). This is all very new. (Part of the attraction, and fun).

I'm thinking of trying to mimic Puppy in appearance at least in Debian. JWM and whatever else I can do that's similar. The basic choices in Puppy were obviously well considered for a minimal size and limited power machine. Rox maybe, etc. I gues I'll be learning more about Puppy's basic nature this way than I know now.
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jun 2010, 20:28    Post subject:  

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Reviewer: First thing to note is that you cannot recharge off the USB connection. I knew this going in, but still it is disappointing. I prefer usb charging for most of my devices these days, and usb charging also opens up the possibility of extended the mobile battery life by using backup power devices that give additional charging over usb (including the...


To the reviewer:

Kinda tough charging a 7.4 volt powered device off of a 5V USB port.

USB charging isn't a sign of quality or cost. It costs nothing to run a 5V USB trace to the charging circuitry.

whadya want, egg in yer beer?
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Jun 2010, 06:22    Post subject:  

If you want ARM, you want one of these ... http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ Very Happy Razz Twisted Evil You can run a *FULL* debian on it if you wish. Would be great to boot up puppies in it, too Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Jun 2010, 07:35    Post subject:  

They cost a lot. Is the Nokia N900 really better than Samsung Galaxy 9000 or what exact name it has. That one have Android 2.1 if I remember. But cost less?

Android has many more apps? Bigger community that could help out?

Okay I have enough money to buy both but what a waist of money.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Jun 2010, 20:11    Post subject:  

vtpup

What with these cheapo voltage converters available......
5v to 7.4v is not too much of a current loss, however 5v to 14.4v uses well over double the input current, but is achievable

Damn clever these Chinese....

I don't understand the Arm promo.....

The dual Atom + nVidia Ion looks far better to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98iYnuT7y-c

Asus are doing a clone already for a new eeepc...

http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/asus-eee-pc-1215n-to-feature-dual-core-atom-chip-nvidia-ion-graphics.html

Also see the Aspire Revo R3600


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