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Puppy 4 Forever (Puppy 4.x snapshot, 3 kernels)
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 12:06    Post subject:  
DaveS wrote:
And the Rox focus bug, which is way more serious...................
What are you pointing to


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 12:08    Post subject:  
Iguleder wrote:
Wow, I see people actually use this thing Smile

I think I'm gonna do another snapshot. I think I'll include that optional saves thing ... whaddya think, guys? I think it's less user-friendly than the automatic saving thing, only experienced user would appreciate that feature.

By the way, any suggestions? Things that worked in 4.3.1 and failed here?


I think you should work together with ttuuxxx, for avoiding doing the same work and for finishing the "never-ending" Official 4.3.2, which is risking to turn into a joke. You publish a FINAL 4.3.2 version together and then you Iguleder can develop your Puppy 4ever on top of it, a project that will probably be the reference OS for most of us, who are "allergic" to ubuntu chimeras and some others doubtful releases...
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 13:44    Post subject:  
Well, I don't like the ttuxxx way of doing things, he put many custom things. I want to keep it similar to 4.3.1, as a placeholder until Puppy 6 or Wary or whatever comes out and proves to be reliable, stable and compatible like the beloved 4.3.1. If you really want, we can work on this together.

I think there's nothing wrong about disagreement, I just think Barry did great with 4.3.1 and I like my Puppy Puppy-style (ahem ahem, Lucid Puppy).

When Wary comes out I think I'll work on it and maybe make something based on it. Wary sounds really promising to me, that's probably the best contender to replace 4.3.1 for those of us that use truly old hardware.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 14:14    Post subject:  
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probably the best contender to replace 4.3.1 for those of us that use truly old hardware.


Actually, version 4.31 is the best Puppy to date that runs on my newer netbook, so I would not automatically assume the next version would just be for the older stuff (provided that a provision is made for the proprietary Broadcom wl.ko or latest open source b43 wireless driver that supports the BCM4312 wireless card).

Looking forward to your next snapshot.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 18:47    Post subject: fixes  
"bugfixed" or "polished" 4.3.x will be a good name for what you are doing. It is what Puppy Linux really needs - keeping tradition yet moving forward.

I agree that work on Wary and long-term-supported kernel is good for the next Puppy. Barry has started work on the 2.6.27.x kernel.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 06:02    Post subject:  
Alright, let's work on the "moving forward" thing. Smile

Updated the first post with a poll, so I know what things to focus on. Please post all your suggestions, problems and complaints, we'll sort them out.

EDIT: need some people with laptops to report or post screenies ... does the power applet work? I made some tiny hack and I have no way to check this.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 06:56    Post subject:  
Iguleder wrote:
Please post all your suggestions, problems and complaints, we'll sort them out.

OK. 4.3* is pretty bug free, but there are a couple of things. See here:http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56556, and of course the Rox focus bug. Maybe update Seamonkey to 2.* and Gnumeric to latest?
Also, this seems important:http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56518
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 08:04    Post subject:  
First thanks for these snapshots, they are the best thing to come out of Woof in a while..
And I agree with you, a "Puppy Puppy", not a "Debian Puppy", is best (for me)!

Love the kernel choices....

Iguleder wrote:
Please post all your suggestions, problems and complaints, we'll sort them out.


fixes

- unmount save-files properly on shutdown - see Patriots recent work
- option to save to save-file or not at shutdown - more info
- fix xvesa bug - remove or change mtpaintsnapshot.sh hotkeys in jwmrc and jwm-personal
- protect against unexpected power off for full HD installs - more info
- more than 3 SFS files allowed to be added at bootup!
- revert to the working broadcom drivers from previous versions of Puppy
- add PANZERKOPFs fixed version of Dougals remaster tool
- add working ROX mime-types (maybe also right-click options) for mp4, wmv, wma, m4a, flv, php, js, etc, etc, etc
- easy back up save file - more info

apps to add

- quickpet (re-made for 4.x)
- your default changer tool (or mine Wink )
- flash 10 or the fixed jwm floating around somewhere (fullscreen flash should work!)
- shinobars quicket thing - more info

these are all things i think should be in a standard, official Puppy release
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 08:20    Post subject:  
OK, this MIGHT be important. I installed Barry's patched Rox from quirky, and the focus problem is FIXED!
I have not found any problems so far. Please test.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 09:56    Post subject:  
I do not think this will be a mere "bug-fix" release.

Might this thread inspire you?
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 10:00    Post subject:  
I personally would love to have puppy compatible with PCs having trident cyberblade video cards, for using an SVideo Out without workarounds
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 10:10    Post subject:  
Maybe you can also add a programme for presentations like Bruce
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 11:29    Post subject:  
Alright, there is a wishlist in the first post. sc0ttman, can you give more details about the xvesa thing?

By the way, I don't like Quickpet myself. Puppy still relies on a browser to display the help page, so even if I put the browser choice thing, I'll have to get good PETs for 4.x and the size will go up.

I want this to be more generic, more like a bug-fixed release, rather than an improvement over 4.3.1.

DaveS: I'll try the Quirky Rox and JWM. I like your attitude Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 12:05    Post subject:  
All these .pets play nicely. They replace power manager icon, blinky, and add a temp icon. All configurable.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 12:10    Post subject:  
Iguleder wrote:
sc0ttman, can you give more details about the xvesa thing?

A user of Puppy Arcade reported to me that in 4.2 and 4.3, when using Xvesa, the "UP" key always made mtpaintsnapshot.sh run, taking a screenshot of the screen..

This is especially annoying when trying to play games! Evil or Very Mad

So, I edited jwm-personal, jwmrc and the jwm menu template file in "/etc/xdg/..." and removed all references to mtpaintsnapshot in my next puplet, but I could simply have just changed the key instead..

Iguleder wrote:
By the way, I don't like Quickpet myself.... I want this to be more generic, more like a bug-fixed release, rather than an improvement over 4.3.1.

Fair enough, I think it'll turn out very nicely! Very Happy

EDIT

Here's the control panel I use..

It was made by GrumpyWolfe, but I added more apps, and cleaned it up a bit..
It will require editing (probably).. You may like it, or not..
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